http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4871 <pre>Hi all, I have published a little series of blog articles on reciprocity and a critique of markets: http://keimform.de/2012/required-or-facilitated-reciprocity/ http://keimform.de/2012/why-not-just-pay/ http://keimform.de/2012/in-what-sense-are-markets-totalitarian/ The articles are based on parts of my contributions to a much longer discussion that would have been very much on-topic for this list, but for whatever strange reason took place on the jox list (http://www.oekonux.org/journal/list/archive/) belonging to the defunct CSPP (http://cspp.oekonux.org/) journal. Best regards Christian </pre> Christian Siefkes 2012-05-01T14:31:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4868 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] sorry for cross posting !! Posted on February 17, 2012&lt;http://snuproject.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/the-global-square-a-call-for-coders-to-build-the-platform-roar/&gt; by OrsanSenalp &lt;http://snuproject.wordpress.com/author/orsans/&gt; By Pedro Noel On February 14, 2012 [image: Post image for The Global Square: a call for coders to build the platform]*The Global Square — a proposal launched on ROAR last year — is starting to take shape. Now we need coders to help us build the actual platform!*Call from our partners at WikiLeaks Central&lt;http://wlcentral.org/node/2456&gt;: *The Global Square &lt;http://46.183.217.125/gs/wiki/wiki/index.php/Main_Page&gt; (original proposal/project description here&lt;http://roarmag.org/2011/11/the-global-square-an-online-platform-for-our-movement/&gt;) aims to be the first massive decentralized social network in the history of the Internet. We are aware of the difficulties we must overcome, but we believe the Internet Community has reached</pre> Orsan Senalp 2012-02-18T23:02:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4864 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] LinkedIn ------------ I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Caroline Caroline Zeller Creative director at Kstsoft China Confirm that you know Caroline Zeller: https://www.linkedin.com/e/-pngn3v-gxbm2hem-21/isd/5493662186/ukqGnkrv/?hs=false&amp;tok=04k_iF5J6XjR41 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/-pngn3v-gxbm2hem-21/IjrLodwxsgroY6SnfLznfPC4sem6qsH/goo/list-en%40oekonux%2Eorg/20061/I1911615054_1/?hs=false&amp;tok=0QWcAjMEWXjR41 (c) 2011 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. [2 text/html] _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ Contact: projekt-ayLJJRhU35CELgA04lAiVw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org </pre> Caroline Zeller 2012-01-12T10:03:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4863 <pre> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From:tOM Trottier &lt;tOM-GEC4+N7F+sgS+FvcfC7Uqw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; To:consultations-vppm1TVqICArkoqX8K+gVCwD8/FfD2ys&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject:Copyright extension CC:mgeist-870xbScz6v+w5LPnMra/2Q&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Reply to:tOM-GEC4+N7F+sgS+FvcfC7Uqw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Date:Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:18:45 -0500 Sirs/Mesdames, The UK Gowers Review of Intellectual Property concluded: Economic evidence indicates that the length of protection for copyright works already far exceeds the incentives required to invest in new works. Boldrin and Levine estimate that the optimal length of copyright is at most seven years. Posner and Landes, eminent legal economists in the field, argue that the extra incentives to create as a result of term extension are likely to be very small beyond a term of 25 years. Furthermore, it is not clear that extending term from 50 years to 70 or 95 years would remedy the unequal treatment of performers and produc</pre> tOM Trottier 2012-01-10T21:26:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4862 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] Hi Stefan, It is an excellent contribution. I agree with most of your points except the following. 1- Money has nothing to do with the scarcity of godds, the point you barrow from Raymond. Money is an expression, measure and preserver of congealed abstract labor in the form of abstract value. Once, labour and its products are commoditized every thing else can potentially from sex, to even air and water can become commodties, suply and demand determining their prices, which are distorted expressions of their values. In this context the price of an object increases in porprtion of the demand for it and in inversion to proportion of its supply. This as Marx brilliantly showed creates the ilustion, the one that Raymond reproduces, that scarcity is the origin of prices and money. Of course, I agree with you, as Marx did too, that money and labour will vanish in a fully fledged p2p which in M arx's formulation is nothing but advanced communism. 2- You are ri</pre> Jakob Rigi 2012-01-08T13:06:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4861 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] stefan, Welcome, Jakob Hi Jacob, thanks for your immediate and interesting response! Am 08.01.2012 14:06, schrieb Jakob Rigi: What I borrow from Raymond is the observation, that if you combine a free abundant good with a scarce good, then you can demand money for it. I do not _explain_ money with the argument of scarcity. This may be the case with Raymond, I don't know. He is a positivist, affirmative thinker, that's true. Agree on your explanation. You may name it like that. My point is: If you stick with commodity production, it is not possible. Thus I would say Marx was wrong on this point, which he btw. strongly fought against in case of Proudon. In the Gotha Programme Critique he fell back to the same arguments he rejected before. But as you say: It is is debatable, whether Marx could see this so clearly in his time. He was under pressure of the emerging workers movement to quickly deliver "concrete proposals". In my view</pre> Jakob Rigi 2012-01-08T16:45:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4859 <pre>Hi all, some of you may have recognized that my paper "Peer Production and Societal Transformation" planned to appear in CSPP journal in December 2011 has already been published on keimform.de in series of articles: http://keimform.de/2011/peer-production-and-societal-transformation/ Originally it was estimated, that the CSPP issue should have been released prior to finishing the series of articles, but the release of the new CSPP issue have been postponed to January 2012. Since the article is the starting point of a debate, you can treat the series as a preview. Parallel to publishing the series on keimform.de, a collective of translators from http://socialforge.wordpress.com/ translated the paper into Italian. Except the final conclusion the translated paper can be found here: http://socialforge.wordpress.com/2012/01/08/oekonux-2/ That's great! Best, Stefan </pre> Stefan Meretz 2012-01-08T11:05:37 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4862 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] Hi Stefan, It is an excellent contribution. I agree with most of your points except the following. 1- Money has nothing to do with the scarcity of godds, the point you barrow from Raymond. Money is an expression, measure and preserver of congealed abstract labor in the form of abstract value. Once, labour and its products are commoditized every thing else can potentially from sex, to even air and water can become commodties, suply and demand determining their prices, which are distorted expressions of their values. In this context the price of an object increases in porprtion of the demand for it and in inversion to proportion of its supply. This as Marx brilliantly showed creates the ilustion, the one that Raymond reproduces, that scarcity is the origin of prices and money. Of course, I agree with you, as Marx did too, that money and labour will vanish in a fully fledged p2p which in M arx's formulation is nothing but advanced communism. 2- You are ri</pre> Jakob Rigi 2012-01-08T13:06:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4861 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] stefan, Welcome, Jakob Hi Jacob, thanks for your immediate and interesting response! Am 08.01.2012 14:06, schrieb Jakob Rigi: What I borrow from Raymond is the observation, that if you combine a free abundant good with a scarce good, then you can demand money for it. I do not _explain_ money with the argument of scarcity. This may be the case with Raymond, I don't know. He is a positivist, affirmative thinker, that's true. Agree on your explanation. You may name it like that. My point is: If you stick with commodity production, it is not possible. Thus I would say Marx was wrong on this point, which he btw. strongly fought against in case of Proudon. In the Gotha Programme Critique he fell back to the same arguments he rejected before. But as you say: It is is debatable, whether Marx could see this so clearly in his time. He was under pressure of the emerging workers movement to quickly deliver "concrete proposals". In my view</pre> Jakob Rigi 2012-01-08T16:45:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4859 <pre>Hi all, some of you may have recognized that my paper "Peer Production and Societal Transformation" planned to appear in CSPP journal in December 2011 has already been published on keimform.de in series of articles: http://keimform.de/2011/peer-production-and-societal-transformation/ Originally it was estimated, that the CSPP issue should have been released prior to finishing the series of articles, but the release of the new CSPP issue have been postponed to January 2012. Since the article is the starting point of a debate, you can treat the series as a preview. Parallel to publishing the series on keimform.de, a collective of translators from http://socialforge.wordpress.com/ translated the paper into Italian. Except the final conclusion the translated paper can be found here: http://socialforge.wordpress.com/2012/01/08/oekonux-2/ That's great! Best, Stefan </pre> Stefan Meretz 2012-01-08T11:05:37 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4862 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] Hi Stefan, It is an excellent contribution. I agree with most of your points except the following. 1- Money has nothing to do with the scarcity of godds, the point you barrow from Raymond. Money is an expression, measure and preserver of congealed abstract labor in the form of abstract value. Once, labour and its products are commoditized every thing else can potentially from sex, to even air and water can become commodties, suply and demand determining their prices, which are distorted expressions of their values. In this context the price of an object increases in porprtion of the demand for it and in inversion to proportion of its supply. This as Marx brilliantly showed creates the ilustion, the one that Raymond reproduces, that scarcity is the origin of prices and money. Of course, I agree with you, as Marx did too, that money and labour will vanish in a fully fledged p2p which in M arx's formulation is nothing but advanced communism. 2- You are ri</pre> Jakob Rigi 2012-01-08T13:06:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4861 <pre>[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] stefan, Welcome, Jakob Hi Jacob, thanks for your immediate and interesting response! Am 08.01.2012 14:06, schrieb Jakob Rigi: What I borrow from Raymond is the observation, that if you combine a free abundant good with a scarce good, then you can demand money for it. I do not _explain_ money with the argument of scarcity. This may be the case with Raymond, I don't know. He is a positivist, affirmative thinker, that's true. Agree on your explanation. You may name it like that. My point is: If you stick with commodity production, it is not possible. Thus I would say Marx was wrong on this point, which he btw. strongly fought against in case of Proudon. In the Gotha Programme Critique he fell back to the same arguments he rejected before. But as you say: It is is debatable, whether Marx could see this so clearly in his time. He was under pressure of the emerging workers movement to quickly deliver "concrete proposals". In my view</pre> Jakob Rigi 2012-01-08T16:45:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4859 <pre>Hi all, some of you may have recognized that my paper "Peer Production and Societal Transformation" planned to appear in CSPP journal in December 2011 has already been published on keimform.de in series of articles: http://keimform.de/2011/peer-production-and-societal-transformation/ Originally it was estimated, that the CSPP issue should have been released prior to finishing the series of articles, but the release of the new CSPP issue have been postponed to January 2012. Since the article is the starting point of a debate, you can treat the series as a preview. Parallel to publishing the series on keimform.de, a collective of translators from http://socialforge.wordpress.com/ translated the paper into Italian. Except the final conclusion the translated paper can be found here: http://socialforge.wordpress.com/2012/01/08/oekonux-2/ That's great! Best, Stefan </pre> Stefan Meretz 2012-01-08T11:05:37 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4853 <pre>Hi list! Those who have participated longer in Oekonux may remember that once in a while we discussed the option of an Oekonux book. Finally I made up my mind: The Oekonux book needs to be written now! I am ready to do most of the work to make this happen. The topic of the book will be Peer production as a new mode of production I.e. the central underlying topic of the whole Oekonux debate. It will explain basic Oekonux theory fragments stitching them together to form a comprehensible big picture. Instead of a collection of more or less independent articles it will have a story line. It should follow a scientific approach but on the other hand it needs to be comprehensible enough to be readable for the general public. It will be in English. The main writing should be done until the end of 2012 - though this is not a fixed date but more a goal to work towards. As of now I'm not completely sure of how exactly this will work. What I know, however, is this: I don't want to do it alone. So during the</pre> Stefan Merten 2011-12-19T09:35:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4846 <pre>Hi! [Since the workshop was in German I'm cc-ing the German list.] Last Saturday I attended the workshop COM' ON! - Die alte Eigentumswelt dreht sich See http://commons.rosalux.de/ for the homepage. The workshop has been organized by the Rosa-Luxemburg-Stiftung which is the foundation of the party "Die Linke" in Germany. "Die Linke" is the socialist party in Germany. As far as I understood the Keimform people co-organized this event. The workshop has been attended by about 40 persons. At least 8 of them were on the Oekonux list at some point. It was very nice to meet all these people again - some of them I had not met since years. Some other people came from the broader commons debate. Most of the remaining attendees I'd consider coming from the classical left which is of course what "Die Linke" is. The topic of the workshop was: What does the concept of commons mean for the left in general and for "Die Linke" in particular. Well, I'm not really into this commons debate but my impression is th</pre> Stefan Merten 2011-12-12T11:01:58 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4844 <pre> ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:09:26 +0200 From: Daniel Dietrich &lt;daniel.dietrich at okfn.org&gt; Subject: [okfn-announce] OGDCamp 2011: Call for Participation Message-Id: &lt;C2F3A1AA-F0D4-41EA-9BE4-A81FACE09F00-wKZDxAJnXxE&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; Dear All The following is the Call for Participation for the Open Government Data Camp 2011: http://ogdcamp.org/cfp/ * What: The world's biggest open data event to date. * When: 20-21st October, with satellite events from 17-26th October * Where: Warsaw, Poland * Web: http://www.ogdcamp.org * Hashtag: #ogdcamp # Submit your Proposal This event and will bring together the international Open Government Data Community, so please: be bold! We encourage people to submit talks, workshops and satellite events that are visionary, extraordinary and even mindblowing! If you have something to say, propose or demonstrate that will ignite the imagination of the crowd. Please submit a proposal via the link below: * http://ogdcamp.org/programme</pre> Stefan Merten 2011-09-07T14:38:46 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4838 <pre>Hello all, I've been trying to understand how the GNU GPL might apply to the material world and am happily surprised with the results. In the virtual world of software: 1.) An Object is the result of {compiling} some type of Sources. 2.) Sources are the inputs such as {source-code, makefiles, shell-scripts, installer scripts, etc.} required to change a future instance of that Object type. In the physical world of hardware: 1.) An Object is the result of {work* across time} to some type of Sources. 2.) Sources are the inputs such as {land and water and seeds and animals and tools} required to change a future instance of that Object type. * Note: some Objects are occasionally created by the 'work' of nature with no human intervention. So we can say physical Objects have physical Sources. For example, the Sources of a bottle of beer include land, water, barley, hops, yeast, heated water, containers, glass (for the bottle), kiln (to melt the glass), etc. - and even recursively all the sources required </pre> Patrick Anderson 2011-08-17T23:54:37 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4837 <pre>URL: http://www.keimform.de/2011/benefit-driven-production/ The following paper was written for the Proceedings &lt;http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/Publications/CEUR-WS/Vol-739/&gt; of the 6th Annual Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon 2011) &lt;http://okcon.org/2011&gt; which took place about a month before in Berlin. It is also available in PDF format &lt;http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-739/paper_9.pdf&gt;. Abstract -------- The free software and free culture movements have radically changed the ways of producing software and knowledge goods. In many cases, participation in such project is benefit-driven rather than profit-driven. Participants get involved in order to realize some practical or social benefit, not because of monetary gains. Another difference from market- and firm-based production is that peer production is non-hierarchical: people voluntarily cooperate as peers; there are no fixed employer/employee or client/contractor relationships. And peer production is based on commons: goods which are jointly developed</pre> Christian Siefkes 2011-08-09T09:01:49 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4836 <pre>Hi! For those who were interested in this material. Grüße Stefan ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:03:11 +0200 From: Daniel Dietrich Subject: [okfn-announce] OKCon 2011 videos released Dear All, It's my pleasure to announce the first set of OKCon 2011 video documentation: http://vimeo.com/okf/videos More videos and interviews will follow next week. Please also check our post-eevnt documentation page, including Slides, Photos, media coverage: http://okcon.org/2011/after If you haven any material, like photos, slides, ... please send us links to them. So that we can make things even better next year please do share your thoughts via our feedback form: http://okcon.org/2011/feedback Thank you all once again to those who participated! All the best Daniel ------- End of Forwarded Message </pre> Stefan Merten 2011-07-24T08:20:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4827 <pre>Hi list! The following may be slightly off-topic here but still may interest many. Grüße Stefan ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:25:36 +0200 From: Geert Lovink &lt;geert AT xs4all.nl&gt; Subject: Unlike Us: Understanding Social Media Monopolies and their Alternatives Unlike Us: Understanding Social Media Monopolies and their Alternatives Invitation to join the network (a series of events, a reader, workshops, online debates, campaigns etc.) Concept: Geert Lovink (Institute of Network Cultures/HvA, Amsterdam) and Korinna Patelis (Cyprus University of Technology, Lemasol) Thanks to Marc Stumpel, Sabine Niederer, Vito Campanelli, Ned Rossiter, Michael Dieter, Oliver Leistert, Taina Bucher, Gabriella Coleman, Ulises Mejias, Anne Helmond, Lonneke van der Velden, Morgan Currie and Eric Kluitenberg for their input. Summary The aim of this proposal is to establish a research network of artists, designers, scholars, activists and programmers who work on 'alternatives in social</pre> Stefan Merten 2011-07-18T10:40:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.politics.oekonux.english/4822 <pre>Hi list! The following is a modified version of a point I'm trying to make in the CSPP journal list. I reacted to a call for papers which IMHO projects too much left ideology into peer production namely Free Software. I thought it might be good to share this here. My central conviction is this: Peer production is a new mode of production. *As such* it can not be understood with the tools which were valid and fine for the previous mode of production - namely capitalism. Such an approach just makes no sense. Be it that you try to project markets into peer production - as were common eight years ago - be it that you try to project leftist visions like absense of power relations into it. The result is always the same: You read something into peer production - just to discover that this does not really work. This is because it can't, because the whole approach is inadequate in the first place. To understand this it may be helpful to think back one step. When capitalism replaced feudalism it was just not possib</pre> Stefan Merten 2011-07-15T17:07:30 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.politics.oekonux.english