http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1751 Hi guys, (I'm sorry I took longer than I said I would, but I had to update my server before I did any work on the faq.) I tested ikiwiki [1] and phpmyfaq [2] as two potential technologies to store the lisp FAQ. As a preview of each tool, I put two "mock" lisp FAQs [3] available on my server, one using ikiwiki: http://genos.mus.br/lispfaq/ and the other using phpmyfaq: http://genos.mus.br/lispfaq2/ feel free to play with them. here is my list of pros and cons for ikiwiki: * pros - can be edited on-line (just like a wiki) and off-line (it uses git) - simple and clean - uses a "standard" format (markdown) - very css friendly (all visual things can be changed) - has a page for discussion (like wikipedia) - distributed: each git clone is a full repo of the wiki. If I decide to go nuts and live in the Bahamas (not a bad idea) the lisp faq can be easily set up by anyone with a git clone * cons - not really a faq manager - has no top 10 list or rating system here is my list of Pedro Kröger 2008-10-20T21:43:39 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1743 I'm finding that I need to support multiple CL implementations in the same code base. (I've tried to avoid doing this for a long time!) So I have to questions for any gardeners out there: - Are there any good libraries that provide a common API for the things like multiprocessing, network programming, POSIX, etc. I'm looking for direct experience with a package. - What do people use to compile C code used by an FFI? I am happy using CFFI, but I also need to create the .so libraries themselves. What I do right now is use a Makefile (which isn't well integrated with the rest of my asdf world). (I hope this is enough on topic for the list.) Cheers, Chris Dean Chris Dean 2008-09-25T18:22:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1718 Test per gigamonkey's request on #lisp, take 2. Ryan Davis 2008-08-13T20:42:31 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1713 Considering how the ALU and lisp.org site have come up on this list, perhaps someone here might be able to keep this on their radar? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: consider bidding on .lisp top level domain Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:22:22 -0700 In case you have yet to hear about what's coming in second quarter of 2009, new generic Top Level Domains beyond .com, .org, etc. may be any word. http://icann.org/topics/new-gtld-program.htm It appears that ICANN will be using an auction/bid approach for initial allocation. Perhaps it's appropriate to do a little fund-raising and secure .lisp, .scheme, etc? While operating a TLD raises other issues, you can be sure there will be third party hosting available shortly after. (When there's a gold rush, sell shovels.) -Daniel Daniel J Pezely 2008-08-03T01:00:55 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1706 test Pedro Kröger 2008-08-01T23:44:36 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1703 Hi, I think it would make a great project to take Peter Seibel's Lisp FAQ (http://www.lispniks.com/faq/faq.html) and make it annotable/extendable by everyone. Interactive Web and all that. -T. Tobias C. Rittweiler 2008-07-18T22:56:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1699 Hi, I am am using the python on lisp and face the following problem, hope you could be in a position suggest some solution. OS: debian Lisp: Allegro 8.0 python on lisp: 0.2 when i try to load the library these are the errors: #<Printer Error, obj=#x1000000ae9: attempt to take the length of a non-sequence: #<unknown object of type number 10 < at > #x61007e0020003a>> Restart actions (select using :continue): 0: Return to Top Level (an "abort" restart). 1: Abort entirely from this (lisp) process. [1] TOP-DEALS(9): :zoom :verbose t Evaluation stack: call to ERROR required arg: EXCL::DATUM = TYPE-ERROR &rest EXCL::ARGUMENTS = (:DATUM #<unknown object of type number 10 < at > #x7fff5baab81a> :EXPECTED-TYPE ...) function suspended at relative address 805 ---------------------------- ->call to FORMAT required arg: STREAM = #<EXCL:TERMINAL-SIMPLE-STREAM [initial terminal io] fd 0/1 < at > #x1000241602> required arg: EXCL::ST Prashanth 2008-03-25T13:55:59 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1694 A few years ago I was trying to pick a language to learn and I was torn between Python and Lisp. I worked through some of the Wizard book with with Scheme and really liked the language but it didn't look like a good investment in terms of job prospects so I ended up going with Python. I'm not looking to learn a language for pay just now so I'm back to "something functional". I went back and forth between spending time learning Lisp and OCAML but I ended up going with Lisp because the first thing I want is *development speed* and the last time I messed around with OCAML the typing system kept slowing down my development. For any given situation I generally believe in "one canonical implementation" that creates a lot of value by working as an official standard that lets people work with each other without too many layers of coordination. Based on my initial surveys I'm thinking that the right thing to do is: 1. Work through Practical Common Lisp - http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 2. While using Steel Bank Jennifer Rodriguez-Mueller 2008-03-24T05:22:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1691 Hi, Has anyone else had a go at clbuild? http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild/ Bill Clementson did a quick write up here: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/080116.html I'm trying to get it going now. There seem to be some errors in the shell script and at least one broken repository, but as it is written in shell I think I'll understand it from the start. Finally a common lisp project (or support project anyway) that I won't feel like a complete language newbie in. It still looks to me like it might rely on ASDF for system definition. It just isn't using cliki.net to get the latest tarballs. It goes to the source repositories directly to get the latest code. I suppose this has downsides as well as upsides, but I'm doing lisp for fun rather than production, so I might as well live on the bleeding edge. cheers, Bruce (who just thought he'd give the garden a rustle) Bruce Durling 2008-01-18T04:53:44 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1690 [Sorry if you receive this announcement more than once.] Arthur Lemmens and Edi Weitz are proud to announce the European Common Lisp Meeting 2008. The meeting will consist of a Sunday full of talks on April 20, 2008, with optional dinners on Saturday and Sunday evening. For a list of speakers and more information please visit http://weitz.de/eclm2008/ We're looking forward to meeting you in Amsterdam, Arthur Lemmens & Edi Weitz Arthur Lemmens 2008-01-09T13:51:49 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1685 Hi, Using your advices, and thank to #lisp people, I finally succeeded a small lisp demo using the LispBuilder bindings of SDL, SDL-image, and SDL-ttf. It's really simple, just a bunch of particles flying all over the screen, plus a bit of text rendering. My lisp code is of course unperfect; do not hesitate to signal me any error or crappy code. All was tested with sbcl. Demo: http://codemore.org/files/other/particles.tgz Screenshot: http://codemore.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/particles.png Bench result: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Athlon X2 3800+ 2GHz sbcl 1.0.10 lispbuilder-sdl 0.9.0 lispbuilder-sdl-image 0.4.0 lispbuilder-sdl-ttf 0.2.0 sdl-doublebuf sdl-hw-surface 640x480 Particles Framerate --------------------- 0 435 10 338 50 175 100 110 250 52 500 28 1000 15 2500 6 --------------------------------------------------------------------- I enjo Nicolas Martyanoff 2007-10-20T09:34:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1664 Hi, I'm a 21 years old french student which has just discovered Lisp. I've been astonished by this language; I've been practicing C, C++, Perl, Python and Php for years, and this is the first time I find a language so harmonious and graceful. However, I'm badly deceived that there is no real community. I'm coming here without hope, since I see the history of the mailing-list (no post...). I've been doing a lot of Google searchs to find some stable libraries, and most of the libs I found were abandoned, hardly ever finished. In this context, it's really difficult to be motivated about working with Lisp. It's a language very tempting, but it seems it has no future. Anyway, I want to believe in Lisp, and I want to use it (I'm working on an online 2D RTS video game, and would want to use Lisp for server and client). So, here I am :) Regards, Nicolas Martyanoff 2007-10-17T20:07:14 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1660 Hi everybody, My name is Nubis, I'm rather new to lisp. I run OpenMCL on an Ibook g4. I come from a heavy python background but I only achieved Nerdvana when I got lisp. My main interests with lisp are games and websites. (and building the tools required to build them) Im 21 year old from Argentina, my native tounge is Spanish. Is there anyone here with similar interests, and or living in Argentina? Thanks in advance. I'll be writing again shortly. Best regards to all ----nubis :) nubis 2007-09-03T22:33:32 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1659 A discussion started on the topic of emacs l10n a few days ago on emacs-devel and reached the above conclusion. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-07/threads.html A similar (but shorter) discussion took place in 2001 but nothing happened because there were basically no takers to write the necessary code. My understanding (...) is that the task involves elisp coding as well as C coding (for the emacs/gettext combination part). Emacs lovers all over the world... Any taker ? Jean-Christophe Helary (sadly not a coder, but willing to test and to contribute to the localization of the beast to French when the necessary code is laid down) Jean-Christophe Helary 2007-08-03T03:38:42 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1654 _______________________________________________ Gardeners mailing list Gardeners-0Lpivb7LZrJWk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org http://www.lispniks.com/mailman/listinfo/gardeners Alan Rossum 2007-04-24T06:40:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1652 _______________________________________________ Gardeners mailing list Gardeners-0Lpivb7LZrJWk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org http://www.lispniks.com/mailman/listinfo/gardeners Harrison Maseko 2007-04-20T21:06:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1647 Fellow Gardeners, Well, I've been doing my usual back and forth between lisp (sbcl) and scheme (MzScheme) and as per usual, the libraries around for lisp have driven me back to the lisp camp (and quiet but useful newbie lists like this one). I'm going to be doing a little bit of web client and xml programming. I think I know which http library I'm going to use (Drakma), but I'm not sure which one of the various xml libraries out there would be the best. I know that library reviews have been discussed on this list before and I was wondering if anyone had done any xml programming recently with lisp and could share their experience. I'll write up my stuff as I go on my blog and as I have something to show I'll share it. ;-) cheers, Bruce (whose thumb is brown and wilted rather than green) (ps I know there isn't a lot in this post, but every time this someone shakes this list a bit a whole bunch of new and interesting things come out.) Bruce Durling 2007-04-15T20:08:43 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1646 After abandoning Lisp for about six months, I'm using it again for generating boilerplate code in web applications. The idea is, you supply a schema, associations, and other data written as s-expressions, and you get pretty much all the database access code you're likely to need (outside of weird ad-hoc reporting queries). There have been plenty of people who have written database access tier generators in other languages, but they always make you supply the metadata as XML, which is much weaker than s-expressions. Even Ruby's power is no match for CLOS and the MOP. So, for just generating schemas, this code: (emit-table (make-table posts :cols (list (varchar 'title :maxlen 50 :unique :not-null) created-at (text 'content :indexed :not-null)))) Evaluates to: CREATE TABLE POSTS( ID SERIAL PRIMARY KEY, TITLE VARCHAR(50) NOT NULL UNIQUE, CREATED_AT timestamp(0) with time zone DEFAULT now(), CONTENT TEXT NOT NULL); CREATE INDEX POSTS_CONTENT_G5535 ON POSTS(CONTENT); CREATE INDEX POSTS_TITLE_G5724 ON POSTS( Warren Henning 2007-03-21T11:27:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1637 Folks-- Is this list still in existence? Anyway, I created a library located at: http://code.google.com/p/cl-strings/ which is an imitation of Java's String and StringTokenizer classes. Does anyone need such an imitation? Is the Java String functions particular great as these things go? Probably not. But the main purpose for me was to force myself to do the sort of things one does for creating a library, such as setting up the project on the web (in this case google code), documenting the code, writing tests, writing a nice Weitzian documentation page and so on and so forth. (Alas, not all the tests are complete, but the functions are so simple.... ) The great thing about picking the string library from Java is that I had a spec and I didn't have a specific app I needed these functions for. Normally, if I'm in the middle of writing an application, I just write the functions I need and don't attempt to generalize because, well, I need to get the application done. I hope ot Keith Irwin 2007-03-10T22:16:47 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1632 I am looking for a library that would do basic to reasonably smart tokenization of natural language strings. Like, if fed something in English or French, it creates tokens for the things between the spaces, for Japanese, it deals with the non- spaced strings in a rule based fashion. I think Lucene can do that and so montezuma would be a candidate (?), but I wonder if any of you has experience with such tools, especially for languages that do not use spaces. Jean-Christophe Helary Jean-Christophe Helary 2007-02-05T08:11:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners/1623 _______________________________________________ Gardeners mailing list Gardeners-0Lpivb7LZrJWk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org http://www.lispniks.com/mailman/listinfo/gardeners sathya gnanasekaran 2007-01-09T19:11:29 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.lisp.cl-gardeners