http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29840 <pre>Proto: Spelling abuse capitalisation VLOP 2.0 (co-author=ais523, Bayes) Amend Rule 2389 (Ordinary Chamber) to read: Ordinary is a Voting Chamber. Lexicographor is an office. Keyword is a player switch, tracked by the Lexicographor, whose value is a string of case-sensitive letters, and default is "E". The voting limit of an eligible voter on an Ordinary Decision is the number of letters in eir Keyword, or 1 if e is not a player. Tiles are a class of assets tracked by the Lexicographor. Each Tile is labeled with a letter from A to Z. When an entity becomes eligible for a number of Tiles, the Lexicographor CAN once award em that number of Tiles by announcements, specifying the new Tiles' letters, and SHALL do so in a timely fashion, picking the letters randomly. Every week, each player becomes eligible for 2 Tiles. When a person registers, e becomes eligible for 5 Tiles. A player CAN spend X Yaks to become elig</pre> omd 2013-05-25T07:15:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29832 <pre>This one's not even my fault :) After the actual domain transfer for agoranomic.org completed yesterday, I attempted to transfer DNS from the servers Taral was using to namecheap's servers, first by choosing namecheap's transfer DNS feature and then by directly changing the list of DNS servers. After doing both, I was, for some reason, still not given the option to actually set DNS records in the control panel, so I hoped that the transfer feature would copy the records eventually and went to sleep. When I woke up, the DNS had switched over, but the records were not copied, so the DNS was down; the option to set DNS records had finally appeared, though, so this should be fixed presently. Again, not something I'm planning to do regularly. I apologize for the inconvenience. - The Distributor </pre> omd 2013-05-24T20:28:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29819 <pre>We were amused, and it seemed appropriate to share here, given nomic's history with Hofstadter and self-reference. http://consc.net/misc/moser.html --Wes </pre> Wes Contreras 2013-05-23T15:58:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29814 <pre>Enact a rule, titled "Igora": The Sensei is an office; its holder is responsible for keeping track of the state of Igora. Stones are a fixed asset whose recordkeepor is the Sensei. At the beginning of each week, every active first-class player is awarded 3 Stones. If a person ever owns more than 10 off-board Stones, they lose off-board Stones until they have only 10. The Board is an entity consisting of a nine-by-nine grid of Points. The columns of Points are numbered A through J (skipping I), and the rows are numbered 1 through 9. A Point should be referred to using its column letter followed by its row number. Position is a Stone switch, tracked by the Sensei, whose possible values are off-board (default) and every Point. It is IMPOSSIBLE for two Stones to occupy the same Point. The Sensei SHALL report Stone Positions by publishing a diagram of the Board. Stones with the same owner and Position are fungible. </pre> Tanner Swett 2013-05-23T02:12:06 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29760 <pre>...by the way, and I'd like be referred to by that name (if it's not too much trouble). </pre> James Beirne 2013-05-14T01:57:46 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29747 <pre>As long as you're rewriting headers, can you rewrite them to move Date: to the bottom? Makes it easier to find. </pre> Ed Murphy 2013-05-12T21:56:34 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29742 <pre>{ Enact a Rule with the following text: Agora's Twentieth Birthday shall be known as the Vigintennial. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is an office; its holder is responsible for organising the celebration of the Vigintennial. A player CAN, with two support, make a former player of Agora an Ancient; the Comptroller SHALL make a reasonable effort to invite each Ancient to contribute to and partake in the celebration of the Vigintennial. The Comptroller SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, submit a proposal regarding the Vigintennial and make a reasonable effort to ensure that it is distributed. The Comptroller SHALL be responsible, as part of eir weekly duties, for publicising the Vigintennial both to former players of Agora and to the general public, and for encouraging em to participate in its celebration. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is a patent title; in a timely</pre> Charles Walker 2013-05-10T16:17:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29702 <pre>[13:42:48] &lt;taral&gt; I can't believe I was distributor for 10 years. [13:42:59] &lt;taral&gt; Someone award me "10 Years Long Service" please. I thank you for your long service. :) </pre> omd 2013-05-07T17:46:41 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29694 <pre>So I took a trip, and my phone was supposed to work, but... it didn't. Bastards. As a result, I've been almost totally out of touch for two weeks. Apologies, as I know I missed at least one CFJ. What else did I miss? --Wes </pre> Wes Contreras 2013-05-06T03:59:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29689 <pre>What is an entity? Is it the same thing as a player? </pre> Henri Bouchard 2013-05-06T02:35:30 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29681 <pre>Who is the current Rulekeepor? </pre> Henri Bouchard 2013-05-05T05:03:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29675 <pre>testing digest. </pre> omd 2013-05-04T19:50:51 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29669 <pre>I'll submit the proposal before the deadline on Sunday. Any final comments? There's a list of salaries, fees and rewards at the end. A quick spreadsheet showing how Yak ownership changes long term (assuming no expenditure and the only income is from the activity wage and office salaries) is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhWsYe7MURzKdGNSUHRfUG91c2VBc1pQazNqYnJ3WGc#gid=0 { Yaks, AI 2, co-authors: G., Murphy, omd Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Yaks" with the following text: Yaks, with currency symbol '#', are a currency; their ownership is restricted to players. The Yak Herdor is an office and recordkeepor of Yaks. The maximum FINE amount for Yaks is the value of the Yak FINE Budget Switch. Append to Rule 2162 (Switches) the following: A natural switch is a switch with a default value of 0, unless the rules explicitly specify a different default value. If the rules define an upper limit for the switch, then the possible values ar</pre> Charles Walker 2013-05-04T12:52:27 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29665 <pre>- Date hack disabled until I can figure out what to do about the duplicate messages. - Slightly updated http://www.agoranomic.org and now on GitHub at https://github.com/comex/agoranomic. (I updated the FLR links, removed the text about me being the Rulekeepor, changed the link to http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/stare.txt to point to archive.org because it's 404'd, and removed the links to http://www.nomictools.com and http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx because they're broken and archive.org doesn't have historical copies.) </pre> omd 2013-05-03T03:58:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29649 <pre>(The cross-post spam is required by R478.) I intend, without objection, to make the forum now located at agora-business&lt; at &gt;agoranomic.org Public. I intend, without objection, to make the forum now located at agora-official&lt; at &gt;agoranomic.org Public. I intend, without objection, to make the forum now located at agora-discussion&lt; at &gt;agoranomic.org Discussion. </pre> comex 2013-05-02T05:05:39 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29638 <pre>Dear Agorans, As many of you are aware, in just two short months Agora will be celebrating the completion of its 20th year of existence, having been played continuously during that entire frame. As the world's longest-lived and wisest nomic, and indeed one of the longest-lived and wisest among all the communities of the world, Agora has established itself as duly deserving of recognition. Therefore, I propose that we begin planning for an event historical in scope amongst Agora's already storied past. Among other things, I think we should try to make contact with and involve some of the people critical to Agora's history, including Peter Suber, Douglas Hofstadter, Chuck Carroll, Michael Norrish, and many others. There ought to be commemorative songs and poems, massive publicity, and, of course, the passing of commemorative proposals. I invite all thoughts on the planning of this vigintennial. Yally </pre> Aaron Goldfein 2013-05-01T03:57:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29605 <pre>{ Contracts, AI 2 Enact a Power 2 Rule with the following text: A contract is a binding agreement between two or more persons (the parties). In order to be a valid contract, the parties must enter into the agreement voluntarily and the agreement must not obligate any of its parties to violate the Rules under any circumstances. The Notary is an office and recordkeeper of contracts; eir weekly report contains a list of all public contracts and eir monthly report contains the text and membership of all public contracts. The text of a contract CAN be modified: a) by any player without objection, b) upon the agreement of the parties, or c) as specified in the text of the contract. Unless otherwise specified in the text of a contract, any person CAN join or leave the agreement by announcement. Any player CAN turn a contract into a public contract by publishing its text and a list of its members; thereafter a</pre> Charles Walker 2013-04-28T20:44:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29604 <pre>Changes: - G. and Murphy's suggestions - Now "Ruble" is replaced with "Yak" in Plutocratic Chamber A handy list of rewards and costs: Reward Amount (per month where applicable) -------------------------------------------------- Activity Wage 100 Judging 50 Appeal 20 Salaries 100-400, see list at end Joining 100 Recruiting 100 each Cost Amount --------------------------------------------- Tax (quarterly) 50% (holdings above 100) 2nd Class Tax 50% (of all Yaks) Distributability +1 20 Distributability -2 50 Start Election 200 Veto 1500 Rubberstamp 1500 Democratise 1000 Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Yaks" with the following text: Yaks, with currency symbol '#' are a class of assets and a currency; their ownership is restricted to players. The Yak Herdor is an office and recordkeepor of Yaks. The maximum FINE amount for Yaks is 1000. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Tax" w</pre> Charles Walker 2013-04-28T20:13:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29600 <pre>I checked the Assessor DB for proposals whose outcome was never recorded. Most appeared to be uncontroversial batches where I just missed updating the DB. Here are the rest (not counting omd's trophy); anyone feel like researching these properly? 7314 - allegedly adopted Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:06:00 -0400 but I think it was ineffective due to a failed scam (CFJs 3277-80) 7174 - apparently never resolved (CFJ 3282) 6960 - distributed Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:50 -0800 along with 6961 which was adopted 6877-94 - resolved Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:46:23 -0800 or Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:11:45 -0800 6514 - rejected Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:40:56 +0100 or adopted Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:48:55 -0700 (CFJ 2724) 6481 - adopted or rejected Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:34:38 -0700 (CFJ 2676) 5956 and 5961-62 - Nov/Dec 2008, CFJs 2270 2274 2276 </pre> Ed Murphy 2013-04-28T14:58:14 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29599 <pre>I'm not a player. I'm just spying on you hatless evildoers. </pre> Fool 2013-04-28T09:45:31 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29580 <pre>[tl;dr: simple liquid currency with office salaries, case fees and proposal fees. A small reward just for voting. Bidding to distribute the top N proposals (other than those with low fees). Offices propose their Salary during elections. The return of Caste, but no GP. ] The rationale behind some of this: - The reward for voting is not just to encourage players to do so, but also to encourage spending rather than hoarding. Tax does the same thing and for the same reason there's no 'spend N Dollars to win'. - As far as possible I've tried to allow prices to fluctuate according to how active the game is, in particular with Distributability. - Awarding the currency is divided between four offices and then tracked by a fifth, to minimise workload and chances of the economy crashing if one officer goes missing. Suggestions for other things to add later: - Something to do with the Speaker - Contest fees to maintain their existence, then they can award a certain number of dollars - A functioning economy need</pre> Charles Walker 2013-04-27T15:01:09 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss