http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3123 <pre>Found some price informations on Twike website, not a cheap choice! Prices 2010 TWIKE Easy from 16.590,- (excluded batteries) TWIKE Activefrom 17.190,- (excluded batteries) Batteries Range 60-80 kmLi-Ion 9,6 Ah€ 5.976,- Range 90-110 kmLi-Ion 14,4 Ah€ 8.964,- Range 120-150 kmLi-Ion 19,2 Ah€ 11.952,- Range 160-200 kmLi-Ion 24,0 Ah€ 14.940,- All prices are including VAT and excluding Dutch registration and delivery costs. Paolo Bartoli, Monza Italy -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> Paolo Bartoli 2012-01-11T17:44:27 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3116 <pre>Hi John, Thanks for your detailed reply. It is good to be back in contact with you. In view of your long experience and accomplishments I place a high value on what you say. And we old farts need to stick together! David From: JOHN TETZ Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:04 PM To: David M. Eggleston Subject: Re: [Velomobile] Velomobile design David Eggleston Thank you for giving your experienced and wide ranging overview on various VM issues. Very valuable information. I agree we have a lot yet to learn but we have accomplished a lot in these last 10 years of VM development. ......Too much of a range is asking a lot of a design, given the power source is so weak. Seems to me that honing a design for a specific area of need is more apt to be accomplished. Cars range from small to large with few to many features to accomplish various needs. I admit to being a fan of VM.nl and their design and manufacturing work. In the Quest and Mango (and now Strada) they have all-around velos that do well in ma</pre> David M. Eggleston 2012-01-06T17:10:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3116 <pre>Hi John, Thanks for your detailed reply. It is good to be back in contact with you. In view of your long experience and accomplishments I place a high value on what you say. And we old farts need to stick together! David From: JOHN TETZ Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:04 PM To: David M. Eggleston Subject: Re: [Velomobile] Velomobile design David Eggleston Thank you for giving your experienced and wide ranging overview on various VM issues. Very valuable information. I agree we have a lot yet to learn but we have accomplished a lot in these last 10 years of VM development. ......Too much of a range is asking a lot of a design, given the power source is so weak. Seems to me that honing a design for a specific area of need is more apt to be accomplished. Cars range from small to large with few to many features to accomplish various needs. I admit to being a fan of VM.nl and their design and manufacturing work. In the Quest and Mango (and now Strada) they have all-around velos that do well in ma</pre> David M. Eggleston 2012-01-06T17:10:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3116 <pre>Hi John, Thanks for your detailed reply. It is good to be back in contact with you. In view of your long experience and accomplishments I place a high value on what you say. And we old farts need to stick together! David From: JOHN TETZ Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:04 PM To: David M. Eggleston Subject: Re: [Velomobile] Velomobile design David Eggleston Thank you for giving your experienced and wide ranging overview on various VM issues. Very valuable information. I agree we have a lot yet to learn but we have accomplished a lot in these last 10 years of VM development. ......Too much of a range is asking a lot of a design, given the power source is so weak. Seems to me that honing a design for a specific area of need is more apt to be accomplished. Cars range from small to large with few to many features to accomplish various needs. I admit to being a fan of VM.nl and their design and manufacturing work. In the Quest and Mango (and now Strada) they have all-around velos that do well in ma</pre> David M. Eggleston 2012-01-06T17:10:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3103 <pre> Following John Tetz’s plea for us to get together and work on the future of velomobiles, I’ve enjoyed reading your contributions. Here is my two cents worth. From an engineering point of view, velomobile design has to start out conceptually with a list of specifications that the final vehicle must satisfy. Nobody seems to do this on paper, but one can back-figure what the specifications are that the final vehicle satisfies or fails to satisfy when it is tested. Velomobile design has to deal with almost all of the problems that must be solved in the design of a small car. It is a long list, but speed, low noise, cushy ride, weather and crash protection, stability and handling qualities, the ability to stop quickly and safely, power efficiency, ease of ingress and egress, cost, convenience, ease of maintenance, cost of parts, etc. are some of the requirements. Velos are used for commuting, shopping, long tours, recreational day rides, running errands, racing, etc. Some machines are designed specifica</pre> David M. Eggleston 2012-01-03T19:02:28 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3094 <pre>Did you get this message? David -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> David M. Eggleston 2012-01-02T21:49:11 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3093 <pre>What do you consider a velomobile?  In 1999 or so the first description I saw was fully enclosed, so I believed only that and only that until 2005 when I had to cut out a Flintstone Hole to back up.  Then I understood the "heads out" or different frame concepts.  Mine was a streamliner concept with 2 Zzipper fairings ("chopper" model to reach from nose to tail) more like a mini-submarine on 3 wheels; all  taped up with that shiny silver tape with a little slit for the back wheel.  In 2009 I cut the cockpit open and unbolted the roof making the velomobile look more like a rolling bathtub 4 inches high.  I liked the wide open feeling, appearance, and view so I left it off until 2011.  This part of central coastal California has not accepted velomobiles.  Even now!  I'm only in 3 Yahoo groups at this time- including Recumbent City and PeoplePoweredVehicles groups.     __Chris Jordan__ *countersTrike* -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/</pre> Chris Jordan 2011-12-08T18:59:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3092 <pre>I am car free in central California. I do not have to deal with snow but do have to deal with rain which is sometime freezing and sometimes heavy i.e. up to an half an inch an hour, yet I am able to ride in the rain and cold and stay relatively dry and warm on my ATP Vision R42 with a Zipper fairing and a home made "rain coat" that attaches to the fairing and wraps around me to protect me from wet weather or extreme *(20 degrees Fahrenheit is about as cold as it ever gets here) cold. Someone once said of the bike that it was a convertible i.e. a rag top . The site , hupi.org, does not seem to have the ability to upload pictures and I never open any email attachments unless I have to so I would not expect anyone else to either but I do belong to some yahoo groups that do. Is this something that might interest you or others in the group? If so do any of you in the group belong to any of the following yahoo groups : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vision-bent-owners/ , http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RECUMBENT_RI</pre> mark McWilliams 2011-12-08T17:56:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3087 <pre>Frederik Van De Walle lays out his thoughts on integrating velomobiles into the cycling infrastructure in his Senior Thesis, which I've put here: http://www.lobosolo.com/fvdw/Velomobile4SusTrans.pdf I see additional problems in the USA, in the safety realm. Tricycles are inherently safe only in a much smaller envelope than North Americans are used to. Our famous last words here are "Hey guys, watch this ..." and we all know this is why we don't let yahoos into our velomobiles. I bet it wouldn't be a month before someone rolled one, just off the dealer's lot, on a test ride. Those of us who have bought them so far have been through a learning progression, the value of which is incredible. Mine was P-38, Trice, Windcheetah, Versatile. The Bentrider online report about the rollover on the trike just reinforces what I posted earlier about the inherent danger of losing that rear contact point on a tadpole layout. For me, on the Windcheetah, about 40 mph, blew out the sidewall of the rear tire, which spun the ve</pre> JW Stephens 2011-12-07T03:32:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3084 <pre>I have two home made velomobiles. One is a tadpole trike with a chromoly tube space frame with a small amount of front suspension. The other is a delta leaning trike with front wheel drive. The leaning aspect improves the cornering considerably, but the two rear wheels stick out into the airflow and create a fair amount of drag. I have a retractable brass pin so that the lean can be locked out when you come up to a stop sign or are starting off. It is also helpful when climbing steep hills as you don't have to balance. I have laid it on its side a number of times trying to get the tilt lock to work correctly. When transitioning from locked to unlocked tilt there is a noticeable change in the handling that requires some getting used to. Overall I am not sure the tilt is worth the bother, but cornering at speed is more fun than on my tadpole trike. I plan to fool around with it a bit more before moving on. Both of the bodies are made of coroplast. After 2-3 years it gets a bit ragged but it is eas</pre> Terry Rouse 2011-12-06T23:46:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3083 <pre>Glad to see activity in this list and glad to see progress on project of OS velo. I have read all the texts and am a bit sad how general and nothing detailed they are. So let me give my two cents. I am fresh user of Alleweder A3 velomobile (see http://www.lehokolo.com/view.php?cisloclanku=2011102801) and need to say: - protection - what I like much is weather protection, even in subzero temperatures I feel comfortably - speed - velo really has better coasting and superb downhill, uphill nothing great, much worse then any bike I have, but acceptable, I was able to climb all my local hils. - cargo capacity - poor - I am used to brompton bike with their great front c-bag (see http://www.prahounakole.cz/2010/03/nakladni-kola-iv-ladova-cesta-k-xtracycle/) and occasionaly with bike trailer (see http://www.bikerev.com/) there is almost nothing what I am not able to move with this combo. Alleweder cannot accept even bag small as my brompton C-bag. It has some cargo capacity but oddly shaped, you can lo</pre> Ladislav Blaha 2011-12-06T20:17:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3081 <pre>To make velomobiles into practical vehicles for the masses I believe that they need to be all-wheel drive, and for that to happen I think the best way is with an electronic drive train. That means an efficient, lightweight pedal generator, a 3D sensor system, a virtual differential and lightweight, efficient hub motors at the corners. The shape of the bodywork and the structure of the monocoque are well evolved. The drive train work has been pioneered by Andreas Fuchs ( http://www.hupi.org/HPeJ/0015/0015.html ). Of course, YMMV. Elrey, Littleton, CO Versatile Nr. 42 </pre> JW Stephens 2011-12-06T15:49:16 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3080 <pre>Wow, I almost forgot about this list… I'm glad that John is proposing some new ideas to develop. I'll be reading the proposal from JohTetz with much interest. Paolo Bartoli Bartolidesign studio associato di architettura e design paolo&lt; at &gt;bartolidesign.it / www.bartolidesign.it / 039 387225 skype: paolobartoli -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> Paolo Bartoli 2011-12-06T08:19:02 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3076 <pre>this message should have a picture of a baby turtle attached to it </pre> Brian Wilson 2011-12-06T05:11:28 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3075 <pre>testing attachments again </pre> Brian Wilson 2011-12-06T04:45:36 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3074 <pre>just testing the list software... </pre> Brian Wilson 2011-12-06T04:43:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3068 <pre>Fournier Luc from California and I have been working over the last month or two to form a VM Collaboration. There is one in Europe so we thought we should have one in North America. The idea is to have a group of people with various HPV backgrounds to share ideas in the direction of advanced Velomobiles. A lot of you guys have been around for a while and have a strong base of information that might be real handy to share. Luc is more interested in the business end and the market place, and fast V Ms, where I am more interested in practical vehicles for local alternate transportation for average folks. I'm looking at the next 10 year development in a area that has not been investigated very much yet has a huge potential market. We have about 7 people involved but would like to have a bit more - specially people with hands on experiences. I had forgotten about this HPV Velomobile list thinking it no longer existed until it popped up again. If any of you are interested I could E</pre> JOHN TETZ 2011-12-04T02:11:52 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3065 <pre>Winter?  Winter rain has not arrived here yet in the daytime.  Nights are cold.  About 4 years ago at Spezi was a velomobile with almost the same material and design I used in 2004.  It had the same fiberglass/kevlar colour with no paint and had the same removable canopy as mine. I may use this winter just putting everything back together and trim the fairing lower like that one.  I do not have a workshop here but I am moving back someday!  Tried and true shape.   __Chris Jordan__ *countersTrike* -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> Chris Jordan 2011-12-02T22:56:54 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3062 <pre>It is winter, a cold frosty morning... But I have my 2012 velomobile to look forward to, on order ready for collection in May 2012. So time to plan for the ride home and where I'll be taking her after that. This time I'm waiting on a sub 20kg carbon-honeycombe Go-One Evo-K. Rob wrhpv.com -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> Rob Hague 2011-12-02T06:42:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3060 <pre>Is there any activity on this Velomobile list? John Tetz -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;hupi.org mailing list. Visit http://hupi.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> JOHN TETZ 2011-12-02T02:36:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile/3058 <pre> Inviato da iPad -- This message comes to you via the Velomobile&lt; at &gt;bikelist.org mailing list, sponsored by http://www.HuPI.org/ Visit http://bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/velomobile to manage your subscription. </pre> Gianmario Cella 2010-08-01T17:50:12 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.velomobile