http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5878 <pre>In my process of switching back to vim, I have found apparently quite popular (and very very mighty) package https://wincent.com/products/command-t, which conflicts with vimoutliner in &lt;Leader&gt;t mapping (which is used for rather less important IMHO functionality of entering time). How much we are wedded to ,t being ours? Matěj </pre> Matej Cepl 2012-05-23T00:38:38 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5856 <pre>Hi VO crew, As you remember, about a month or two ago we all came to the conclusion that we'd taken a Vim-based outliner as far as we could, and what was needed was to start a brand new project to make an outliner that could do all the features everyone is clamoring for, but that are impossible in a Vim based outliner. We agreed that VimOutliner would remain pretty much as-is, for those times when you just need an ultra-fast authoring outliner, and that when more features were needed, a person would use the new, feature- filled outliner. There would be converters going both ways so one could start with one and then transition to the other (typically starting with VO to take advantage of outlining speed, and then transitioning to the new one to take advantage of features). I've been talking with Edward Ream of the Leo project about the possibility of Leo filling the need for that new outliner. But of course, I know next to nothing about the GTD and other extensions many of you want, so I have no idea wheth</pre> stevelitt 2012-05-17T18:38:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5853 <pre>I just discovered the program "tree" Is there a way I can easily convert the output of a file MyTree.txt to otl? Simply changing the extension doesn't do it. Ludo _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Ludo Beckers 2012-05-17T09:34:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5852 <pre>Hi Edward, VimOutliner has reached a crossroads. Every outlining feature that can reasonably be added to the Vim engine has been added to the Vim engine. And a lot of people want more features. Just as a tiny example, cloning and hoisting aren't reasonable to add to VimOutliner, at least without involving databases, metatadata files, or other stuff that makes VimOutliner not VimOutliner. A lot of people are wanting GTD modules, and calendaring (we actually have a calendering module but it's not popular anymore). So all of us are pretty much in agreement that we need to build a new, differently named outliner with all the features, and keep VimOutliner in its current state (except for bug fixes) for those who want the fastest outline authoring on the planet. The new outliner must have an available round-trip conversion, at least for all VimOutliner features, between VimOutliner and the new outliner. That way VimOutliner continues to be used for the fastest outlining on the planet, while the new outliner p</pre> Steve Litt 2012-05-16T19:37:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5850 <pre>The DOS version of MaxThink 89 can run as an almost native Linux app using dosemu. To duplicate this behavior do the following: 1) Install the dosemu package for your distro. 2) Create a directory named max hanging off your home directory: mkdir ~/max 3) Copy all your MaxThink files to this directory (i.e., MAX.EXE, CONFIG89.MT, MESSAGES.MT, etc). 4) Add the following to your .bashrc file: alias max="dosemu ~/max/MAX.EXE" 5) Instantiate the alias the first time: source ~/.bashrc 6) You can now invoke max from the Linux command prompt as follows: max file.mt 7) Familiarize yourself with some of the Linux helper apps like expand, unexpand, unix2dos and dos2unix. For example, to convert from otl format to mt do the following: expand --tabs=1 file.otl &gt; file.mt printf "\x1A" &gt;&gt; file.mt 8) To convert from mt format to otl format do the following: unxpand --tabs=1 file.mt &gt; file.otl Note: Should you need to add ^Z (x1A) to the end of the mt file, do the following: printf "\x1A" &gt;&gt; file.mt Hap</pre> Rick 2012-04-23T21:10:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5840 <pre>Hi all, Attached are a .png showing a possible new architecture, and its .dia source. As Noel suggested, this keeps the application logic COMPLETELY separate from the UI, through a thin interface called a Domain Specific Language (DSL). The DSL defines and restricts the command set by which the client can influence the server and vice versa. In this scenario, the DSL becomes the #1 early design priority, because it almost completely defines what the software is and isn't. Meanwhile, the UI designer needs know ONLY the DSL in order to do his job, and the application logic designer also needs know ONLY the DSL in order to do his job. If there's a mismatch between the client or server (UI or app logic), there are two and only two correct fixes: 1) Whomever has departed from the DSL gets his section DSL compliant. 2) The DSL is enhanced with a new command or new syntax to an existing command. From my perspective, this takes one hugely difficult program and breaks it into two quite manageable programs. An</pre> Steve Litt 2012-04-15T23:04:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5819 <pre>NewVO Brainstorming List Goals ********************************************************************************************** Features ******************************************************************************************* Implementation Ideas ***************************************************************************** Sandbox (for what doesn't fit into the above categories) ******************************************* </pre> Noel Henson 2012-04-13T14:46:54 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5798 <pre>If I have an otl-file that I want to close and have it reopen exactly as I left it, regarding folds, is that possible? Something like this idea: - important stuff (unfolded) - less imp stuff - 65 lines folded - obscure stuff - 20 lines folded - new project (unfolded) Ludo _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Ludo Beckers 2012-02-20T21:39:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5782 <pre>I'm puzzled... I have Gvim and Vim 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc and through Synaptic I downloaded Vimoutliner, but I can't seem to get the Outliner working. :help vimoutliner (and variations I tried) can't find help. :help vo gives help on Options instead of Outliner. Documentation I found online is mostly very old with broken links. I also downloaded an example.otl but apart from looking neatly divided into lines with tab inserts, nothing seems to work like what I would expect. No comma comma command for example works. I must add I'm quite new to Vim, so don't know the ins and outs of folding and such. Is there any usable documentation for newbies? I'd love to learn more about Vim, starting with using Outliner as a tool that I can deploy for every day usage. Ludo _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Ludo Beckers 2011-12-03T10:54:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5778 <pre>What are the folding rules for Vimoutliner? The folding seems so random. Thank you, wolfv </pre> Wolfram Volpi 2011-11-27T08:36:53 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5776 <pre>Hello Vim Outliners, I want to migrate some word processor documents to otl.  If you know of a formatter to convert "MediaWiki to otl" or "odt to otl" or "doc to otl" please let me know.  I did not find one. I am attempting to write ex script to convert MediaWiki to otl.  This would be useful because LibreOffice Writer can export to MediaWiki format, and then the script would convert it to otl. The heading format in MediaWiki is simple; one equal sign for each level in the heading hierarchy e.g.: = head1 = body text == head2 == body text === head3 === body text The above MediaWiki text should convert to otl like this: head1 :body text head2 :body text head3 :body text The attached MediaWiki2otl script converts MediaWiki to otl except for one thing.  I can not figure out how to indent the body text lines (indent lines that start with “:”). Here is the pseudo code: if current line has “=” set count to number of “=” else   insert count “\t” Can this be done in ex sc</pre> Wolfram Volpi 2011-11-24T11:45:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5765 <pre>Hello all. I had a little trouble joining this list and so, having found Steve Litt's e-mail address, exchanged a couple of e-mails with him about the issues I will address below. It seemed that he might even have been entertaining the idea of putting together some sort of conversion utility geared toward my needs--which would be wonderful, since doing something like that is far beyond my competence. But I haven't heard back from him on that for a couple of days, so perhaps I misunderstood him. In any case, the following. I've tried vim a few times during the years I've struggled to learn to use GNU/Linux. It was never very successful, in part, because I couldn't see how it was at all suited to my needs (academic writing in the humanities, for which WYSIWYG word processors seem to have been created). But as I've begun writing out lecture notes--being very displeased with Open/Libre Office's outlining functionality for that purpose and in search for something less resource-intensive--I came acro</pre> James Miller 2011-11-02T15:58:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5764 <pre>Latest updates at the development branch: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/tree/development Changelog: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/blob/development/CHANGELOG Jostein </pre> Jostein Berntsen 2011-09-17T16:38:13 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5749 <pre>Hi, I am using Steve's excellent VO mostly as a TODO list. Where can I get a LaTeX converter for this VO? Thanks. Shantanu www.shantanukulkarni.org </pre> Shantanu Kulkarni 2011-07-28T16:47:58 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5740 <pre>Hi all, I think I found a bug in VO 0.3.5. It might have existed earlier, but that's where I found it. If the top line begins with a hash (a bash comment character), when you load the file into gvim it doesn't act like an outline. I've attached an example file to show the behavior, and you can toggle the symptom by toggling the hash symbol and doing :e!. If it's not a bug, it's at least what I would call unexpected behavior and needs to be documented. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt #Pound sign comment for a title Chapter 1: We do what we're asked We work 60 hours We check in on vacations We keep ourselves trained Chapter 2: We don't ask much A living wage Health insurance No preexisxting condition exclusions Reasonable cost to us Respect For our time For our money For our personal lives But Noooooooooooo! We're laid off Must train our offshore successor Transfered to expenive Cobra O</pre> Steve Litt 2011-06-02T23:52:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5737 <pre>Hi there, I was notified today that the 'plugin' folder was missing from the released archives for version 0.3.6. I've created new archives and replaced the defective ones on github and vim.org. I asume we didn't notice this issue before because most of us were updating their current setup, but it must have been pretty evident for new users. Anyway, I'd like to apologize to everyone who has been affected by this. Israel</pre> Israel Chauca F. 2011-05-21T00:25:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5736 <pre> I know I'm asking questions that are not particularly pertinent to the topic of this list. Let me know if it's a problem and I'll desist. My question is in the subject heading. [I guess I could ask another: Can you fold a fold? E.g., say I have today's date and the day's name on one line followed by a few paragraphs of text. If I folded the text, could I then fold the first line and the folded text?] FWIW, given what I'm used to, I'm just finding VO's text handling -- that it won't wrap without linebreaks; that lines are indistinguishable from paragraphs; that to be recognized as a paragraph a paragraph must have a heading -- extremely awkward. With "set linebreak" in my .vimrc words wrap and I can string several sentences together in a paragraph, which, if loaded into another editor, TextEdit, e.g., shows up as a paragraph instead of a list of lines. So I'm wondering if with folding by itself I can do at least some of the things I would have liked to do with VO. Regards, ------------------------------</pre> Eric Weir 2011-05-20T18:35:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5728 <pre> You may know about this, or maybe you can do this without this. If not: An app that lets you use your favorite text editor in any application. Works with MacVim, I would guess with Vim, too. If I can use Vim everywhere, maybe I'll learn to use Vim. http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/products/quickcursor This developer also has a really cool and versatile list/todo list creating/managing application called TaskPaper. Price is a little steep. Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eeweir&lt; at &gt;bellsouth.net </pre> Eric Weir 2011-05-19T12:56:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5724 <pre>This looked like it might be interesting. I didn't tech edit it or anything -- I have no idea if it really works. SteveT ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: howto?: sort folds Date: Saturday 14 May 2011, 00:25:46 From: John Little &lt;john.b.little&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; To: "vim_use" &lt;vim_use&lt; at &gt;googlegroups.com&gt; On May 14, 4:53 am, Bee &lt;beeyaw...&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; wrote: There's a somewhat brutish method I gave in this thread: https://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/browse_frm/thread/b7690339f789793b/57cb9ecdd29cdb08 The thread talks about a performance problem if you have long topics; I raised it in vim-dev and the answer was to turn off undo (be wary) with: set ul=-1 Regards, John </pre> Steve Litt 2011-05-14T11:15:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5723 <pre>Version 0.3.7 has now been merged in the development branch. A roadmap with suggestions for the forthcoming developments will be published to the list. The most major changes up to now are: Several new plugins have been added: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/tree/development/vimoutliner/plugin The otl2latex script has been added to the scripts folder: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/tree/development/vimoutliner/scripts Jostein </pre> Jostein Berntsen 2011-05-12T08:06:18 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5718 <pre>Thanks to everyone involved in maintaining and developing VO in my prolonged absence. I installed 0.3.5 and 0.3.6 (on different machines) and it is everything I hoped it would be. Your humble, original VO grunt programmer, Noel </pre> Noel Henson 2011-05-12T01:30:48 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner