http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24485 <pre>a few patches, mainly cleanups, inclusion guards for sclang headers and a small performance improvement patch for MoogFF. with these patches, i have been able to compile most of sclang by including all source files (except for the bison parser) into one single c++ source file, helping the compiler to do inter-procedural optimizations. will commit, unless someone complains about them Tim Blechmann (5): MoogFF: small performance improvements sclang headers: add inclusion guards win32 stuff: the win32 port contained some pretty ugly and stupid typedefs fix byteCodeString prototype declaration Interpret: remove unnecessary type casts common/Headers/lang/ByteCodeArray.h | 5 ++ common/Headers/lang/MiscInlineMath.h | 5 ++ common/Headers/lang/SC_LanguageClient.h | 4 -- common/Headers/lang/SimpleStack.h | 4 ++ common/Source/lang/LangSource/PyrInterpreter3.cpp | 56 ++++++++++---------- common/Source/lang/LangSource/PyrMessage.cp</pre> Tim Blechmann 2010-03-20T15:26:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24483 <pre>Revision: 9968 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9968&amp;view=rev Author: joshpar Date: 2010-03-20 01:39:25 +0000 (Sat, 20 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- remove deprecation warning for SynthDef:play Modified Paths: -------------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc Modified: trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc2010-03-19 14:09:19 UTC (rev 9967) +++ trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc2010-03-20 01:39:25 UTC (rev 9968) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -627,7 +627,7 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; play { arg target,args,addAction=\addToHead; var synth, msg; -this.deprecated(thisMethod, Function.findRespondingMethodFor(\play)); +//this.deprecated(thisMethod, Function.findRespondingMethodFor(\play)); target = target.asTarget; synth = Synth.basicNew(name,target.server); msg = synth.newMsg(target, args, add</pre> joshpar-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-20T01:39:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24470 <pre>Revision: 9967 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9967&amp;view=rev Author: mullmusik Date: 2010-03-19 14:09:19 +0000 (Fri, 19 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- Fix for numInputBusChannels = 0 Postpone conversion from SynthDef:play until later Modified Paths: -------------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/GUI/osx/scide_scapp/SCLevelIndicator.sc Modified: trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/GUI/osx/scide_scapp/SCLevelIndicator.sc =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/GUI/osx/scide_scapp/SCLevelIndicator.sc2010-03-19 10:10:12 UTC (rev 9966) +++ trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/GUI/osx/scide_scapp/SCLevelIndicator.sc2010-03-19 14:09:19 UTC (rev 9967) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -75,33 +75,35 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; Pen.stringCenteredIn("-80", Rect(0, 170, meterWidth, 12)); }); -// ins -StaticText(window, Rect(10, 5, 100, 15)) -.font_(Font("Helvetica-Bold", 10)) -.stringColor_(Color.white) -.s</pre> mullmusik-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-19T14:09:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24467 <pre>Revision: 9966 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9966&amp;view=rev Author: danstowell Date: 2010-03-19 10:10:12 +0000 (Fri, 19 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- SynthDef:play deprecation: method should still work during deprecation period Modified Paths: -------------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc Modified: trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc2010-03-15 10:52:24 UTC (rev 9965) +++ trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/Common/Audio/SynthDef.sc2010-03-19 10:10:12 UTC (rev 9966) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -621,12 +621,18 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; memStore { arg libname = \global, completionMsg, keepDef = true; +this.deprecated(thisMethod, this.class.findRespondingMethodFor(\add)); this.add(libname, completionMsg, keepDef); -this.deprecated(thisMethod, this.class.findRespondingMethodFor(\add)); } play { arg target,</pre> danstowell-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-19T10:10:13 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24465 <pre>Revision: 1402 http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/quarks/?rev=1402&amp;view=rev Author: tboverma Date: 2010-03-19 09:50:50 +0000 (Fri, 19 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- Added AudioDome SoundBlox quark Added Paths: ----------- DIRECTORY/audiodomeSoundblox.quark audiodomeSoundblox/ audiodomeSoundblox/BufferBlock.rtf audiodomeSoundblox/SoundBlock.sc Added: DIRECTORY/audiodomeSoundblox.quark =================================================================== --- DIRECTORY/audiodomeSoundblox.quark (rev 0) +++ DIRECTORY/audiodomeSoundblox.quark2010-03-19 09:50:50 UTC (rev 1402) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -0,0 +1,13 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; +( +\name: "Audiodome SoundBlox", +\path: "audiodomeSoundblox", +\summary:"All classes relevant for the soundblox project at Animax, Germany", +\author: "Till Bovermann", +\organization: "Animax, BEC", +\country: "Germany", +\since: "2010", +\dependencies: [("lfsaw.de" -&gt; 1.0), ("SETO")], +\url: "http://lfsaw.de/art/installations/So</pre> tboverma-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-19T09:50:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24462 <pre>Revision: 1401 http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/quarks/?rev=1401&amp;view=rev Author: jamshark70 Date: 2010-03-19 02:49:56 +0000 (Fri, 19 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- Avoid deprecation warnings for memStore, without breaking quarks against older versions that don't have SynthDef:add Modified Paths: -------------- dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Prototypes/startup00-ddwSynths.scd dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Prototypes/startup01-events.scd dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Prototypes/startup14-perc.scd dewdrop_lib/ddwVoicer/VoicerNode.sc Modified: dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Prototypes/startup00-ddwSynths.scd =================================================================== --- dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Prototypes/startup00-ddwSynths.scd2010-03-19 02:49:01 UTC (rev 1400) +++ dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Prototypes/startup00-ddwSynths.scd2010-03-19 02:49:56 UTC (rev 1401) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -1,6 +1,11 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; // General-use synthdefs // I will keep them in a separate SynthDescLib as well as the global one +Library.put(</pre> jamshark70-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-19T02:49:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24461 <pre>Revision: 1400 http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/quarks/?rev=1400&amp;view=rev Author: jamshark70 Date: 2010-03-19 02:49:01 +0000 (Fri, 19 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- James forgot the difference between sendBundle and listSendBundle - fixed Modified Paths: -------------- dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/GlobalControls/VoicerGlobalControl.sc Modified: dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/GlobalControls/VoicerGlobalControl.sc =================================================================== --- dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/GlobalControls/VoicerGlobalControl.sc2010-03-17 13:23:56 UTC (rev 1399) +++ dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/GlobalControls/VoicerGlobalControl.sc2010-03-19 02:49:01 UTC (rev 1400) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -112,7 +112,7 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; } stopAuto { if(autoSynth.notNil) { -server.sendBundle(nil, [ +server.listSendBundle(nil, [ [error: -1],// suppress potential node not found error [n_free: autoSynth.asNodeID], [error: -2] This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's larg</pre> jamshark70-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-19T02:49:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24459 <pre>Hi devs - GSoC says "no thanks" for including supercollider. No problem, we'll consider applying in future, see what the lie of the land is next time. Thanks to those devs who put in ideas and volunteered as mentors. Dan </pre> Dan Stowell 2010-03-18T19:02:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24451 <pre>Well, this is unpleasant. I updated from svn this morning (plus deleted the xcode projects and re-updated them), cleaned all targets and built. Now scsynth is crashing routinely when I run one of the processes in my piece. Let's hope Josh's packaged build works for me. Command: scsynth Path: /Users/dewdrop/Applications/sc-test/common/build/scsynth Parent: SuperCollider [4475] Version: ??? (???) PID: 4753 Thread: 7 Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xfb799535 Thread 7 Crashed: 0 &lt;&lt;00000000&gt;&gt; 0x01688004 0 + 23625732 1 scsynth 0x0001203a Group_Calc + 30 2 scsynth 0x0001203a Group_Calc + 30 3 scsynth 0x0001203a Group_Calc + 30 4 scsynth 0x0001203a Group_Calc + 30 5 scsynth 0x0000c5c5 SC_CoreAudioDriver::Run (AudioBufferList const*, AudioBufferList*, long long) + 1035 6 scsynth 0x0000cda7 appIOProc(unsigned long, Audio</pre> James Harkins 2010-03-18T13:13:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24450 <pre>If I compile libscsynth in the Synth xcode project, why does the Language project then compile it again? Can't it just link into the pre-existing libscsynth? (On my 3rd or 4th build cycle this morning, just wondering if some time could be saved.) hjh : H. James Harkins : jamshark70-n2XjBy9Frl0FLkkUnhLBSV6hYfS7NtTn&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org : http://www.dewdrop-world.net .::!:.:.......:.::........:..!.::.::...:..:...:.:.:.:..: "Come said the Muse, Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, Sing me the universal." -- Whitman </pre> James Harkins 2010-03-18T13:06:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24441 <pre></pre> James Harkins 2010-03-17T19:53:08 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24434 <pre>Revision: 1399 http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/quarks/?rev=1399&amp;view=rev Author: jamshark70 Date: 2010-03-17 13:23:56 +0000 (Wed, 17 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- Big oops - trying to play a non-existent BP through bpCmd would cause the whole sequencer to die with error - fixed Modified Paths: -------------- dewdrop_lib/ddwTimeline/proto-cmds.scd Modified: dewdrop_lib/ddwTimeline/proto-cmds.scd =================================================================== --- dewdrop_lib/ddwTimeline/proto-cmds.scd2010-03-16 13:19:08 UTC (rev 1398) +++ dewdrop_lib/ddwTimeline/proto-cmds.scd2010-03-17 13:23:56 UTC (rev 1399) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -352,9 +352,10 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; ~name = ~name.asArray; ~bps = Array(~name.size); ~name.do({ |name| -if(BP(name).isPlaying) { +if(BP.exists(name).not or: { BP(name).isPlaying }) { if(parms.tryPerform(\at, \playWarning) != false) { -"BP(%) is already playing; ignored".format(name.asCompileString).warn; +"BP(%) is already playing, or doesn't exist; igno</pre> jamshark70-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-17T13:23:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24431 <pre>Hi Dan, Slightly off topic: what about using NodeBox as your Python plotting tool? (This would make it possible to migrate back and forth between SC and python relatively painlessly.) RJK On Mar 17, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Dan Stowell wrote: _______________________________________________ sc-dev mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.beast.bham.ac.uk/research/sc_mailing_lists.shtml archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/ </pre> ronald kuivila 2010-03-17T13:08:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24426 <pre>off-topic here but i wonder if anyone has ever heard of / used this new very interesting technology. http://www.copperlan.org/ i would also be curious if some dev here registered to get their SDK ? best, charles _______________________________________________ sc-dev mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.beast.bham.ac.uk/research/sc_mailing_lists.shtml archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/ </pre> thelych-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-16T23:11:45 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24425 <pre>Revision: 1398 http://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/quarks/?rev=1398&amp;view=rev Author: jamshark70 Date: 2010-03-16 13:19:08 +0000 (Tue, 16 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- misc fixes ddwTimeline: fixed loopCmd, better tracking of automation synths in mixer and gc commands Modified Paths: -------------- dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Chucking.sc dewdrop_lib/ddwCommon/GlobalControls/VoicerGlobalControl.sc dewdrop_lib/ddwTimeline/TLSequenceIterator.sc dewdrop_lib/ddwTimeline/proto-cmds.scd dewdrop_lib/ddwVoicer/Voicer.sc Modified: dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Chucking.sc =================================================================== --- dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Chucking.sc2010-03-11 21:53:41 UTC (rev 1397) +++ dewdrop_lib/ddwChucklib/Chucking.sc2010-03-16 13:19:08 UTC (rev 1398) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -706,7 +706,9 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; // not ideal to replicate this code from BP-quant // but I may not have a collIndex in my environment // so I can't call BP-quant -(~quant.value(this) ?? { BP.def</pre> jamshark70-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-16T13:19:08 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24418 <pre>Hello all, I've been doing some experiments in the last few days with optimizations to the SC interpreter - it's obviously dog slow (it's more than 10x slower than python with some quick benchmarks I tried), so there's clearly room for improvement /somewhere/. There are a number of common optimizations that can be made to interpreters that result in big performance boosts - some things (direct threading) are relatively easy, others (dynamic superinstructions) are harder. Happily, it seems like at least some of the potential optimizations could be implemented as fairly small-scale hacks, and then vetted/tested/benchmarked to see if they're worthwhile - meaning, we'd be in spend-a-weekend-testing-an-idea territory, rather than spend-months-reimplementing-the-vm territory. I don't imagine anyone is up for the latter, but probably at least some folks are up for the former. In any case, I'll probably be continuing to experiment when I have the time. I thought, if others on the list are interested in hacking a</pre> Scott Carver 2010-03-15T20:29:36 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24409 <pre>Hi all I was just using Function:scope now and it's not working: No time to have a look myself. arg this = &lt;instance of Main&gt; ERROR: Method 'play' of class SynthDef is deprecated and will be removed. Use 'Function:play' instead. ERROR: Message 'isPlaying_' not understood. RECEIVER: Instance of SynthDef { (35644270, gc=8C, fmt=00, flg=00, set=04) instance variables [14] name : "stethoscope" func : instance of Function (0x358585c0, size=2, set=1) controls : instance of Array (0x359ce170, size=3, set=2) controlNames : nil allControlNames : instance of Array (0x359cfdd0, size=3, set=2) controlIndex : Integer 3 children : instance of Array (0x31a15c10, size=6, set=3) constants : instance of Dictionary (0x35856a80, size=2, set=1) constantSet : instance of Set (0x358569b0, size=2, set=1) maxLocalBufs : nil available : instance of Array (0x358499c0, size=0, set=1) variants : nil desc : nil metadata : nil } ARGS: true CALL STACK: </pre> thor 2010-03-15T12:11:30 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24408 <pre>Revision: 9965 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9965&amp;view=rev Author: decampo Date: 2010-03-15 10:52:24 +0000 (Mon, 15 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- try remving obsolete file again. Removed Paths: ------------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TdefEditor.sc Deleted: trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TdefEditor.sc =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TdefEditor.sc2010-03-15 10:39:18 UTC (rev 9964) +++ trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TdefEditor.sc2010-03-15 10:52:24 UTC (rev 9965) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -1,371 +0,0 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; - -TaskProxyEditor { - -var &lt;&gt;proxy, &lt;&gt;nVars, &lt;parent, &lt;zone, &lt;flow, &lt;skipjack, &lt;usesPlayN, &lt;envirGui; -var &lt;nameBut, &lt;playBut, &lt;pauseBut, &lt;srcBut, &lt;envBut, &lt;varButs; -var &lt;usedKeys, &lt;oldStates = #[-1], oldProxy=0; - -win { -warn("" ++ this.class ++ ":win is deprecated. use .parent instead.") -^parent -} - -*new { |px, nVars=0, heig</pre> decampo-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-15T10:52:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24407 <pre>Revision: 9964 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9964&amp;view=rev Author: jrhb Date: 2010-03-15 10:39:18 +0000 (Mon, 15 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- remove duplicate method in extension to Server Modified Paths: -------------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/ProxySpace/extStoreOn.sc Modified: trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/ProxySpace/extStoreOn.sc =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/ProxySpace/extStoreOn.sc2010-03-15 09:53:05 UTC (rev 9963) +++ trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/ProxySpace/extStoreOn.sc2010-03-15 10:39:18 UTC (rev 9964) &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -1,15 +1,5 &lt; at &gt;&lt; at &gt; -+ Server { -storeOn { arg stream; -var codeStr = this.switch ( -thisProcess.interpreter.s, { "s" }, Server.default, { "Server.default" }, -Server.local,{ "Server.local" }, -Server.internal,{ "Server.internal" }, -{ "Server.fromName(" + name.asCompileString + ")" } -); -</pre> jrhb-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-15T10:39:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24406 <pre>Revision: 9963 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9963&amp;view=rev Author: decampo Date: 2010-03-15 09:53:05 +0000 (Mon, 15 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- first batch of new and updated help files for new versions of JITGuis. Modified Paths: -------------- trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/EnvirGui.html trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/PdefEditor.html trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/TdefEditor.html Added Paths: ----------- trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/JITGui.html trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/PdefGui.html trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/TdefGui.html Modified: trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/EnvirGui.html =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/EnvirGui.html2010-03-15 09:50:11 UTC (rev 9962) +++ trunk/common/build/Help/Libraries/JITLib/extras/EnvirG</pre> decampo-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-15T09:53:05 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel/24405 <pre>Revision: 9962 http://supercollider.svn.sourceforge.net/supercollider/?rev=9962&amp;view=rev Author: decampo Date: 2010-03-15 09:50:11 +0000 (Mon, 15 Mar 2010) Log Message: ----------- first commit for JITGui rewrite - updates of all JITGui classes for better consistency and simpler addition of future JITGui classes. Modified Paths: -------------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/basics/EnvirGui.sc trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/basics/SkipJack.sc Added Paths: ----------- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TaskProxyGui.sc trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/extJITgui.sc trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/basics/JITGui.sc Added: trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TaskProxyGui.sc =================================================================== --- trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TaskProxyGui.sc (rev 0) +++ trunk/common/build/SCClassLibrary/JITLib/GUI/TaskProxyGui.sc2010-03-15 09:50:</pre> decampo-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org 2010-03-15T09:50:11 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.audio.supercollider.devel