http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70347 <pre>Hi, to improve duplicate detection for the Open Access Media Importer, we would like to include redirects in the file namespace, but they do not come up in searches like https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&amp;list=search&amp;srnamespace=6&amp;srsearch=pone.0008793.s004&amp;srredirects=1 . For example, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Animal-behavior-pone.0008793.s004.ogv redirects to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_group_of_50_Drosophila_melanogaster_interacting_in_an_observation_chamber_-_pone.0008793.s004.ogv . Thanks for any pointers. Cheers, Daniel _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Daniel Mietchen 2013-05-25T20:17:14 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70344 <pre>Hi folks, Many of us met at the Amsterdam Hackathon to discuss architecture guidelines (almost everyone with +2 in MediaWiki core, plus other knowledgeable people), and generally about the need to have more substantive conversations about MediaWiki architecture. It was a really productive discussion, and had a number of outcomes: 1. RFC review: we agreed that RFCs need more diligent review. Brion and Tim are planning to pull together the architects for regular discussions (weekly? TBD) to at least touch all of the outstanding RFCs, with the goal of clearing the current backlog of RFCs. If y'all don't see substantial movement on this in a couple of weeks, please point this out. 2. RFC use: right now, RFCs aren't used in many cases where they should be. Assuming we get into a good flow with RFCs, we can then reasonably expect people to actually write them when they're making significant changes to the MediaWiki architecture. 3. Architecture guidelines: we now have a rough beginning draft of architecture guidelines[2] we plan to use as guiding principles for RFC review. This is a document that we plan to discuss on wiki in c2 wiki style[3]. Please participate! This is a living document, which will be referenced in RFCs and responses to RFCs. We will use this mailing list to discuss the more contentious issues and generally ensure we continue to move forward refining this document. 4. A general agreement that we need to make sure that we have similar conversations at every substantial gathering of +2 developers. For example, we plan to figure something out for Wikimania. We have raw notes from both days of meetings, available here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013/Architectural_principles_document Rob [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_guidelines [3] "c2 wiki style" is with inline comments similar to the c2 Design Patterns wiki: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DesignPatterns _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Rob Lanphier 2013-05-25T13:50:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70343 <pre>For those of you not at the hackathon, there is one very major result from the meeting that I wanted to publicize. (There are other action items which I'll let other people expand but this one seems most important to me.) If I misunderstood or mis-state something, Robla and others can correct me. Our RFC process has been broken till now. WMF's architecture group has just committed to review and respond to all RFCs by WikiMania. This will probably involve clarifying the process that RFCs are reviewed and providing better documentation for architectural and design direction. I expect there will be more coming out of this meeting, but I wanted to post this note so I would remember to ask Brion about the RFCs he has reviewed next Friday. Mark. </pre> Mark A. Hershberger 2013-05-25T13:10:42 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70334 <pre>Hello all, I keep seeing references in WMF documents to using Redis for session storage and as the storage for the job queue going forward. However, LocalSettings doesn't have any references to Redis. It looks like the session changes for Redis were in 1.20, and I thought that the change for the job queue to be backed by Redis was coming in 1.21. It also seems that Notifications (Echo) may require Redis, but that's not real clear. I'm wondering what the general status of this is? As a 3rd party mediawiki admin, I'm eager to get redis going primarily for the job queue improvements, but with nothing noted in local settings documentation I'm wondering what the plan is for these redis based features? Will $wgMainCacheType be getting a CACHE_REDIS option? Jamie Thingelstad jamie&lt; at &gt;thingelstad.com mobile: 612-810-3699 find me on AIM Twitter Facebook LinkedIn _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Jamie Thingelstad 2013-05-24T19:39:23 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70330 <pre>Hello! I have implemented an idea for WikiEditor extension: replace "step-by-step publish" feature with another one - "publish staying in edit mode via AJAX". You can see a demo at http://wiki.4intra.net/ if you want. It works simply by sending an API save article request while NOT closing the article being edited. Also it handles section edits correctly via re-requesting section content after editing, so you'll stay with consistent edit form even if you add sections. The idea is to give authors the ability to save intermediate results. My question is - does anyone really need "step-by-step publishing" feature that is in WikiEditor? I think it's useless because it just duplicates the existing functionality, just submits the form using normal POST request, and makes editing harder as you have to do more clicks. I would submit a patch to Gerrit if you're interested in replacing it with "publish-staying-in-editmode". </pre> vitalif< at >yourcmc.ru 2013-05-24T11:26:20 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70327 <pre>Hi, I'm a testing a new rendering option for the &lt;math /&gt; element and had problems to store MathML elements in the database field math_mathml which is of type text. The MathML elements contain a wide range of Unicode characters like the INVISIBLE TIMES that is encoded as 0xE2 0x81 0xA2 in UTF-8 or even 4 byte chars like MATHEMATICAL BOLD CAPITAL A 0xF0 0x9D 0x90 0x80 . In some rar cases I had problem to retrieve the stored value correctly from MySQL. To fix that problem I'm now using the PHP functions utf8_encode /decode to which is not a very intuitive solution. Do you know a better method to solve this issue without to change the database layout. Best Physikerwelt _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> physik< at >physikerwelt.de 2013-05-24T03:31:18 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70325 <pre>On pt.wikipedia there is a lack of local tech people who can do simple things like fixing a .js gadget (or creating one for a specific and local utility), or a simple bot script, and when it comes to lua modules, it's easy to guess... After a discussion, we've decided to implement our own local version of wmf mentorship programs like LevelUp, but instead of competing with them, complement where we can.[0] It basically intents to fill the gap between those who would like to know some js to deal with gadjets or lua to create nice modules, or even python to write some basic bots, and then those who wish to go further, they'll always have global programs. We'll basically start slowly on Python, we've created some doc, mostly to introduce and inform where to find the info, both on web or on mw. We're trying not to replicate information, just stick to fill the blanks, and mapping the disperse info (Gil and Sumana had gave a lot of good advices, by the way). So now that we're trying to get it to work, is there any similar program on other wm project to share experiences, or specially for those who had been mentors on global projects, any suggestion or advice? As far as i know, none of us have participated on a similar project, so we're accepting free ( a(s|nd) free bee r) suggestions :D Now, a second question. We're starting on python, more precisely python + pywpbot, and i was wondering what would be the most appropriated place where this scripts could be tested. It could be on pt.wp, but people can be afraid of breack something, at least when i cooked my first py script, i only got confident once i got the bot flag on test, could test it on a few pages there. Could http://test.wikipedia.org/ this purpose, or is there any other place where they wount feel the "elephant in a *porcelain store" syndrome? (This is a common Portuguese *saying, i believe you got the message) Cheers, </pre> Alchimista 2013-05-23T23:18:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70323 <pre>In trying to submit https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/63907/18, I get a Jenkins build failure due to PHPUnit failing, due to a Fatal being thrown: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-MobileFrontend-testextensions-master/898/console The fatal: PHP Fatal error: Class 'MFMockRevision' not found in /srv/ssd/jenkins/workspace/mwext-MobileFrontend-testextensions-master/extensions/MobileFrontend/tests/MobileContextTest.php on line 500 The thing is, 'MFMockRevision' should be made available by it's file being included in efExtMobileFrontendUnitTests() (our hook handler for UnitTestsList. Unit tests execute fine for me and at least one other person on the mobile team. I do not want to manually merge that patchset since I imagine it would cause build failures on subsequent patchset +2's. Anyone know what might be going on? </pre> Arthur Richards 2013-05-23T20:59:38 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70321 <pre>Hello, Resolved and Committed on the Issue 163:Adding Keyboard navigation in jQuery.IME's language selection dropdown list.https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/issues/163 Here is the Commit:https://github.com/kaushalsingh11/jquery.ime/commit/3ba4a427f8b50432300e7081a4502197e84728b0 Have also sent the pull request. Have already posted on BugZilla on 18th May </pre> KAUSHAL SINGH 2013-05-23T13:28:34 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70308 <pre>I do a lot of maintenance tasks on Commons, and many tasks require some sort of database query to find the oddball cases. The queries can be done through one of several ways: 1) Using CatScan and CatScan2[2] tools 2) Database query service [3] 3) Weekly Database reports [4] Unfortunately lately some of those ways are breaking down. CatScan and CatScan2 rarely work failing in many different ways: usually due to exceeding the 'max_user_connections' (30 for magnus's CatScan2, and 15 for Daniel's CatScan), but otherwise with some timeout or no-connection errors, or can work on a query for hours (or days if you let it) and never returns anything. I developed some CatScan2 based queries for Creator template maintenance, that worked fine 2-3 years ago, but always time-out since. That might be due more and more images on Commons. Similarly, Database query service seems also very inactive. There are many requests and few replies, like my request from April 2 [5]. For example, lately I was searching for images on Commons that do not have any license templates (sometimes since 2007 or earlier), see [5]. At some point Magnus was helping me with that query, however after it failed several times with "server not found" error we gave up. It seems like less and less can be done with current infrastructure. So are there any non-toolserver based alternatives for database queries? I was trying to read about Wikimedia Labs looking for tools based on them. Ideally there would be some CatScan2 like tool that is based on different database, with higher number of users allowed. Jarek T. User:jarekt [6] [1] http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php [2] http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php [3] https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/DBQ [4] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Database_reports [5] https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/DBQ-201 [6] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jarekt _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W. 2013-05-22T20:03:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70291 <pre>Hey, I'd like to load MediaWiki from some PHP script and have not been able to find a way to do this so far. After someone suggested trying to do this as a maintenance script, I tried http://pastebin.com/scKFxF2J That however does not work as there is a check in doMaintenance.php (shouldExecute) that makes sure initialization is only done when no function calls are present in the call stack. My script is getting called by some other library and thus there will clearly be function calls in the call stack when doMaintenance.php is included. Is it even possible to load MediaWiki in such a case? And what is this restriction in shouldExecute good for? Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. -- _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Jeroen De Dauw 2013-05-22T15:16:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70283 <pre>I was thinking about the past hackathons and I realized that the interaction with eachother is often the best way to learn during these events, it's so much quicker than using gerrit/bugzilla/email/IRC. I also remember that a lot of the time, we do a lot of informal review and assessment of problems during these events. This time we have a very nice "How to get your code deployed on Wikimedia" workshop. Perhaps in addition to that, it might be a nice idea to do a live "office hour" dedicated to bug assessment and code review ? People could submit bug reports and gerrit changesets (etherpad?) and then we pick one hour, where a group of us simply try to help people with these issues in any form. We'd have multiple disciplines and areas of expertise being able to chip in, which should be great for the attendees with "why does no one pay attention to my bugreport/patch"-issues. Does anyone else think something like that might be a nice idea ? We'd need to find a timeslot though, that's probably gonna be the hardest part. I'm guessing that many WMF folks will have quite a few meetings again. DJ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Derk-Jan Hartman 2013-05-21T20:28:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70273 <pre>This is a notice that on Tuesday, May 21st between 20:00-21:00 UTC (1-2pm PDT) Wikimedia Foundation will release security updates for current and supported branches of the MediaWiki software. Downloads and patches will be available at that time, with the git repositories updated later that afternoon. Although MediaWiki does not have the vulnerable feature enabled by default, most wiki using common advanced features will want to patch for this issue. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Chris Steipp 2013-05-20T23:01:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70257 <pre>MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for May 13, 2013 - May 20, 2013 Status changes this week Reports changed/set to UNCONFIRMED: 0 Reports changed/set to NEW : 0 Reports changed/set to ASSIGNED : 0 Reports changed/set to REOPENED : 0 Reports changed/set to RESOLVED : 0 Reports changed/set to VERIFIED : 0 Total reports still open : 10296 Total bugs still open : 5642 Total non-lowest prio. bugs still open: 5463 Total enhancements still open : 4654 Reports created this week: 229 Resolutions for the week: Wikimedia Bugzilla report (FAILED), Query failure FAILED Query failure _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> reporter 2013-05-20T03:00:02 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70252 <pre>Hi! As had been planned I have started making the keyboards and first I implemented the Hebrew language. I have created a new repository[1]. Links: GitHub link for Hebrew Keyboard: [1] https://github.com/SiddhaGanju/Hebrew-Keyboard </pre> Siddha Ganju 2013-05-19T05:31:31 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70248 <pre>Hi. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=597288&amp;oldid=579490 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=691576&amp;oldid=686908 These two diffs explain what happened better than I could. I think this was the best outcome, but I'm posting on this list in case I missed some other discussion about the render action and it is, in fact, now deprecated. I checked the talk page, but didn't see anything. MZMcBride _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> MZMcBride 2013-05-18T19:40:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70239 <pre>* Hey all, For the last 18 months, the Engineering &amp; Product Development department has been experimenting with the role of “Community Liaison, Product Development” - a staff member embedded in the Product team and tasked with factoring community concerns into our software development process, keeping editors informed about what we’re doing, and maintaining a dialogue between those who write code and those who write articles. While there is always room for improvement, I think this role has shown a lot of promise. We have a number of large projects coming down the pipeline (e.g., visual editor, discussion systems) and we need more help reaching out to our contributor communities, especially our non-English speaking projects, as our outreach there has traditionally been challenged. We’d like to recruit a small number of English-speaking or multilingual editors to do the Community Liaison job with different development teams and focuses. In particular we’re looking for people with a strong history of contributions to our projects who can provide sound and reasoned judgment and are trusted to do so by their community. Speaking other languages in addition to English is a major plus, as one of the objectives here is to ensure we can properly interact with and support non-English projects. I’ve included the full job description below. Our immediate need is for help with the Visual Editor. We’d like to hire a few community liaisons to help inform different Wikipedia language communities of the upcoming launch, create spaces for feedback and discussion, synthesize feedback for the Visual Editor team, and other activities required to support the Visual Editor launch later this year. If this is a role that would interest you, please e-mail Philippe Beaudette at pbeaudette&lt; at &gt;wikimedia.org&lt;https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm&amp;fs=1&amp;tf=1&amp;to=pbeaudette&lt; at &gt;wikimedia.org&gt;. And if you know someone else who might fit the role, let them know about it :-). We’re provisionally interested in hiring 2-3 liaisons, at an hourly rate commensurate with experience. This can be a part-time role, but we’ll need at least 15 hours/week for the length of the engagement (minimum 3 months). Please do apply if you think it’s a role that suits you, and if you find places we haven’t notified, spread the word! Thanks. Howie * _________________________ Howie Fung Director of Product Development Wikimedia Foundation * Community Liaison Job Description Background Information and Statement of Purpose The Wikimedia Foundation’s Engineering &amp; Product Development Department is looking at ways to more effectively incorporate broad community perspectives in decisions and hold dialogues with our editors about the scope, pace and features of upcoming changes to Wikimedia projects. As part of this, it is hiring additional Community Liaisons from our volunteer community. Scope of Work Support and improve our ongoing software development projects, in particular: - Building up a network of volunteers from both English language and non-English language wikis, increasing the number of projects we can interact with; - Engaging the community in the software development process, by acting as a conduit for community questions, bugs and and feature requests, talking to editors about our work and how they can participate in it effectively, and recruiting them for workgroups and studies; - Being available from time to time to provide expertise and knowledge about our projects, including but not limited to training externally-sourced staff in the way our projects work, answering their questions, and providing expert advice on an ad-hoc basis; - Ensuring that our community is represented in the decision-making process and that our planned software adequately reflects user needs; - Monitoring Wikimedia projects, with the assistance of a network of volunteers, for emerging issues that have an impact on Engineering programmes; and - Other duties as needed. Requirements Effective Community Liaisons will be: - Experienced users of Wikimedia projects, capable of representing our community within the Foundation and vice-versa. - Strong communicators (both verbally and with the written word), able to explain our products to different groups of users with different levels of technical understanding. - Able to focus on the larger picture, understanding which concerns and views are widespread and which are marginal or individual. - Approachable, as both users and product developers must be able to trust these people for the relationship to function. - Self-motivated - they will be given important projects and expected to execute with little to no supervision. - Strongly empathetic - they excel at understanding the perspectives of others and bridging the gap between different approaches to the world. - Willing and able to remain resilient in the face of frustration from our users, in order to get the job done. Pluses Other positive attributes or areas of knowledge include: - Diverse language skills. While the Wikimedia Foundation communicates internally in English, we aim to be able to talk to our different communities natively. - Experience with the software development process. You will be thrown into teams that are actively working on new features; having a background that reduces the slope of your learning curve is a plus. - Familiarity with multiple Wikimedia projects is a major plus; we are about more than just Wikipedia. * _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Howie Fung 2013-05-18T06:00:44 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70238 <pre>If you know OCaml, would you mind taking a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/64263/ . Specifically, it looks from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Math.git;a=blob;f=math/texvc.ml;h=33a14b7be714ae38721fa863c337440b1e4d7115;hb=e3ac067f2bc37289fa46a63bfc996de269cbb8de like it only prints extra information (beyond the single-letter error code) for Texutil.Illegal_tex_function . Given that, I removed parameters from the other ones (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/64263/8/MathTexvc.php). It looks straightforward, but another set of eyes might help, since I don't know OCaml. Thanks, Matt Flaschen _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Matthew Flaschen 2013-05-18T05:56:29 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70232 <pre>This past week there was an important security release for the Linux kernel. As such, we will be updating and rebooting ALL of our machines ASAP. This may affect you. ALL WMF services will experience some downtime of up to 10 or so minutes (including Bugzilla, Gerrit, etc). == SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS == Some machines are OK for us to just reboot as needed but others are being utilized by others for various tasks (scripts, cronjobs, etc). If you have jobs running on any machine that you do not have puppetized (ie: it won't just magically start up again after a reboot) you will want to restart your jobs after the reboot. There is, unfortunately, not set schedule of when any particular machine will be rebooted, but Ops will be giving ~30 minutes notice in the #wikimedia-operations IRC channel on Freenode. You can watch the public Server Admin Log at &lt;https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_admin_log&gt; for the warnings and the reboot notice. Sorry for the invonvenience, Greg </pre> Greg Grossmeier 2013-05-17T19:00:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70231 <pre>Hello and welcome to the latest installment of the Deployment Highlights email. The full calendar for next week lives at: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_May_20th For the week of May 6th we have the following interesting deployments: == All Week == * Due to a security update to the Linux kernel, we will be upgrading and rebooting ALL machines throughout the week. This may affect your experience with some services, but it should be minimal. == Monday == * VisualEditor will be deploy a new extension, TemplateData, to all Wikipedias (&lt;https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44444&gt;) in addition to a VisualEditor configuration change on mediawiki.org (&lt;https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48430&gt;). * English Wikipedia will be updated to MediaWiki version 1.22wmf4, in addition to a WikiData client update on English Wikipedia. See &lt;https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/Roadmap&gt; * An update to HTCP purging will be rolled out by the WMF Operations team which might create momentary issues with some thumbnails. Please report any issues you experience. == Wednesday == * The rest of the Wikipedias will be updated to MediaWiki 1.22wmf4, thus completing the roll out of that version. The next version, 1.22wmf5, will start on Monday May 27th. See &lt;https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/Roadmap&gt; == Thursday == * The Editor Engagement team (E2) will rollout bugfixes to Notifications (Echo). See &lt;http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/echo-release&gt;. Best, Greg </pre> Greg Grossmeier 2013-05-17T18:51:22 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/70224 <pre>Hi everyone! I think that Special:AllMessages and the idea that every message in the wiki has its own wikipage is just _awesome_. So, I can Replace the "disclaimer" label to smth different using MediaWiki:Disclaimers. That's great. However I haven't found the way to HIDE the element. For instance I don't need the "policy" link in my footer. Is that possible of should I use CSS? ----- Yury Katkov, WikiVote _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l&lt; at &gt;lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l</pre> Yury Katkov 2013-05-17T10:08:04 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical