http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/196001 <pre>!Muy Importante! Si no puede visualizar correctamente este correo, le pedimos que lo arrastre a su bandeja de entrada. Apreciable Ejecutivo: TIEM de Mixico Empresa Lmder en Capacitacisn y Actualizacisn de Capital Humano Pone a su disposicisn este excelente curso denominado: "Organizacisn y Conservacisn de Archivos Oficiales" Para la Administracisn Pzblica Mixico D.F. el dma 30 de Mayo 2012 !Zltimos Lugares! Lunes 28 de Mayo ultimo dma para obtener un descuento del 15% con Inversisn Inmediata Ademas por cada dos participantes inscritos en tarifa de Inversisn normal, el tercero es completamente gratis No deje pasar esta oportunidad e Invierta en su Desarrollo Personal y Profesional Todas las oficinas generan un archivo corriente, que es necesario mantener ordenado y suficientemente identificado. Resulta una prioridad para las secretarias y asistentes tener plenamente identificadas las agrupaciones documentales que se encuentran a su cargo. Por esta razsn, los documentos que se generan en archivo de gestisn, deben mantener una estructura organizada y una adecuada clasificacisn que facilite su acceso. Los archivos de Gestisn son fundamentales para la administracisn de cualquier dependencia, toda vez que se tiene un alto nivel de consulta y su acceso debe ser presto, integro y directo, si se quiere tener una unidad que aporte a la organizacisn. Beneficios: Ofrecemos este curso, para que el propio personal que trabaja en las instituciones gubernamentales, aprenda a archivar y servir los documentos de una forma ticnica y estandarizada de acuerdo a los lineamientos de la Ley de Transparencia, para el sector pzblico. Objetivo General: Proporcionar la informacisn necesaria para desarrollar y unificar los archivos de su dependencia; acorde a los lineamientos vigentes de la Ley de Transparencia. Para mayor informacisn, favor de responder este correo con los siguientes datos: Empresa: Nombre: Ciudad: Telifono: O si lo prefiere comunmquese a los telifonos: Del DF al 5611-0969 con 10 lmneas Interior del Pams Lada sin Costo 01 800 900 TIEM (8436) Aceptamos todas las TDC y Dibito. **Promocisn: 3 meses sin Intereses pagando con American Express **Aplica solo con Inversisn Normal .Todos los Derechos Reservados )2011 TIEM Talento e Innovacisn Empresarial de Mixico Este Mensaje le ha sido enviado como usuario de TIEM de Mixico o bien un usuario le refiris para recibir este boletmn. Como usuario de TIEM de Mixico, en este acto autoriza de manera expresa que TIEM de Mixico le puede contactar vma correo electrsnico u otros medios. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, haga caso omiso de il y reporte su cuenta respondiendo este correo con el subject BAJABD Tenga en cuenta que la gestisn de nuestras bases de datos es de suma importancia y no es intencisn de la empresa la inconformidad del receptor. </pre> Maurin Quintero S. 2012-05-26T19:01:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195989 <pre>The 5.1 package of poptop "poptop-1.3.4p3.tgz" (taken from 2 different official FTP sites) seems to be compiled for a platform after 5.1. If I try to install it an error appears about a c library version not present: # pkg_add poptop-1.3.4p3.tgz Can't install poptop-1.3.4p3 because of libraries |library c.64.1 not found | /usr/lib/libc.so.50.1 (system): bad major | /usr/lib/libc.so.60.1 (system): bad major | /usr/lib/libc.so.51.0 (system): bad major | /usr/lib/libc.so.53.1 (system): bad major | /usr/lib/libc.so.56.0 (system): bad major | /usr/lib/libc.so.62.0 (system): bad major If I force the install, the ldd command confirm the problem: /usr/local/sbin# ldd ./pptpd ./pptpd: ./pptpd: can't load library 'libc.so.64.1' ./pptpd: exit status 4 Thanks. </pre> Federico Giannici 2012-05-26T12:31:52 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195986 <pre>The "Passing Traffic" example at http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html doesn't seem to be completely accurate. # Pass traffic in on dc0 from the local network, 192.168.0.0/24, # to the OpenBSD machine's IP address 192.168.0.1. Also, pass the # return traffic out on dc0. pass in on dc0 from 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.0.1 pass out on dc0 from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.0/24 It's the "return" that bugs me: the first rule alone makes the _return_ traffic be passed. The second rule allows traffic that originates (creates state) on the way out. Right? </pre> Jan Stary 2012-05-26T11:47:11 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195981 <pre>Have anyone seen this? I just saw it, and even though there's only windows app available right now, I'm hoping this can tickle some developer's fancy :) http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." </pre> bofh 2012-05-26T03:41:46 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195979 <pre>Dear Sir, Madam, Art Media Agency (AMA) is delighted to send you, free of charge, N053 of its Professional Newsletter. 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Si no puede visualizar correctamente este correo, le pedimos que lo arrastre a su Bandeja de Entrada Apreciable Ejecutivo: TIEM de Mixico Empresa Lmder en Capacitacisn y Actualizacisn de Capital Humano Le Recuerda que el excelente curso denominado: Mercadotecnia Moderna de las 4 "P" a las 4 "C" Esta programado en la Ciudad de Mixico, el dma 30 de Mayo 2012 Inscrmbase a mas tardar el lunes 28 de mayo y obtenga un descuento del 15% con Inversisn Inmediata No deje pasar esta oportunidad e Invierta en su Desarrollo Personal y Profesional En las zltimas dicadas se ha estado hablando sobre las "4 P's" de la mercadotecnia desarrolladas por Jerome McArthy (Producto, Promocisn, Precio y Plaza). Sin embargo, unos innovadores de la Universidad de Northwestern han visto que istas ya no se adecuan al nuevo entorno competitivo. No obstante, lo mas difmcil y doloroso en un negocio es la administracisn del cambio al igual que del crecimiento, ya que romper un paradigma, cambiar una fsrmula o modificar un modelo cuesta trabajo. Aunque no es un nuevo concepto, la controversia continza si las 4 C's desplazaran a las 4 P's. Asm, las 4 C's se convierten de Producto evoluciona a Cliente; Promocisn / Publicidad hacia Comunicacisn; Precio hacia Costo y finalmente, Plaza hacia Conveniencia. 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Para mayor informacisn, favor de responder este correo con los siguientes datos: Empresa: Nombre: Ciudad: Telifono: O si lo prefiere comunmquese a los telifonos: Del DF al 5611-0969 con 10 lmneas Interior del Pams Lada sin Costo 01 800 900 TIEM (8436) Aceptamos todas las TDC y Dibito. **Promocisn: 3 meses sin Intereses pagando con American Express **Aplica solo con Inversisn Normal .Todos los Derechos Reservados )2011 TIEM Talento e Innovacisn Empresarial de Mixico Este Mensaje le ha sido enviado como usuario de TIEM de Mixico o bien un usuario le refiris para recibir este boletmn. Como usuario de TIEM de Mixico, en este acto autoriza de manera expresa que TIEM de Mixico le puede contactar vma correo electrsnico u otros medios. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, haga caso omiso de il y reporte su cuenta respondiendo este correo con el subject BAJABD Tenga en cuenta que la gestisn de nuestras bases de datos es de suma importancia y no es intencisn de la empresa la inconformidad del receptor. </pre> Antonio Medina M. 2012-05-25T19:24:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195950 <pre>Hi, we will be deactivating some old servers. I will try to boot OpenBSD and provide dmesg. |----Product Name................................................IBM x3850-[88634SG]- |----Product Name................................................IBM 3850 M2 / x3950 M2 -[71414RG]- Anybody interested in output and details? I cannot give access :( jirib </pre> Jiri B 2012-05-25T11:27:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195949 <pre>Dragi oboavatelji Bola i Braha, PROVEDITE 7 DANA NA BOLU U APARTMANU ZA SAMO 1.321 kn Od 1.5. do 23.6. Od 26.8. do 31.10. Broj aranmana je ogranihen. 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My intention is to start working on such ports. Let me know if this thread is best served at ports&lt; at &gt; mailing list. Regards, Kostas </pre> Kostas Zorbadelos 2012-05-25T08:05:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195935 <pre>FranC'ais : www.norphipictures.com English : www.norphipictures.com/en [IMAGE] Pour ne plus recevoir d'emails de notre part cliquez-ici If you no longer wish to receive email from us click here </pre> NORPHI Pictures 2012-05-25T06:42:02 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195931 <pre>Since upgrading from 4.9 to 5.1, I am getting a lot of false positives with spamd running in greylisting mode, from email addresses I previously did not. A number of false negatives are still getting through, too. Eg: I needed to add lists.openbsd.org to /etc/mail/nospamd to receive messages from this list, or spamdb would delete the messages. How can I tune this to make spamd more forgiving? The default -G options in spamd(8) do not seem to be taking effect. I emailed someone yesterday, received a reply. Then today, they emailed me again from the same address and their messages were deleted by spamdb. What conditions cause an address to move from grey to white, or grey to black? Trying to get my head around this, and losing emails all the while.. .d.d. </pre> David Diggles 2012-05-25T05:26:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195930 <pre>Port Securirt Summit Asia 12-13 September 2012 Singapore Maximising Port and Terminal Security Singapore to Host ACI's Port Security Summit Asia ACI is pleased to announce an inaugural Port Security Summit Asia that will take place on the 12th &amp; 13th September 2012 in Singapore. The event will highlight the major security challenges currently facing various Asian Ports. 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Dragul meu pensionar, TrezeEte-te acum ,mDcar, Nu te lDsa umilit De un drogat necioplit, Care ,ca un vechi borfaE, CEi bate joc de oraE! Cinstea ta,mD rog frumos, StD-ntr-un pui piele Ei os? DacD ,totuEi,vreE#i sD fiE#i La fel de batjocoriE#i Ei sD trDiE#i C.n noroi, VotaE#i-l pe maimuE#oi! Dragi constDnE#eni, hai la vot, SD C.i dDm una C.n bot, Altfel gaEca lui de hoE#i O sD ne fure pe toE#i, OraEul , ca sD-l salvDm, Cu tot neamul sD votDm, Pe oricine doriE#i voi, CnsD nu pe maimuE#oi! Trimite prietenilor tDi! </pre> poeme< at >nicusorconstantinescu.ro 2012-05-24T13:59:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195921 <pre>Hi. Running a standard OpenBSD 5.1 installation with 2 hosts (virtual for this test). The only things changed from default is that I added three interfaces (em0, carp1 and carp2). The problem is that I can't get Host 1 back as master automatically if Host 2 becomes master. On the first test I booted up Host 1 first and then Host 2. Host 1 is master as it should. If I force carp2 down on Host 1 then Host 2 becomes master of carp2 as it should but it will not be master again if I bring the interface back. With preempt enabled the entire host group "carp" should become slave on Host 1 but only the interface that I bring down till become slave. From: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html regarding net.inet.carp.preempt Allow hosts within a redundancy group that have a better advbase and advskew to preempt the master. In addition, this option also enables failing over a group of interfaces together in the event that one interface goes down. If one physical CARP-enabled interface goes down, CARP will increase the demotion counter, carpdemote, by 1 on interface groups that the carp(4) interface is a member of, in effect causing all group members to fail-over together. net.inet.carp.preempt is 0 (disabled) by default. Host 1 hostname.em0 up hostname.carp1 192.168.1.1 vhid 1 carpdev em0 hostname.carp2 192.168.2.1 vhid 2 carpdev em0 Host 2 hostname.em0 up hostname.carp1 192.168.1.1 vhid 1 advskew 200 carpdev em0 hostname.carp2 192.168.2.1 vhid 2 advskew 200 carpdev em0 I have tried both advskew 100 and 200 with the same results. When does all group members fail over to backup and when does a interface with a lower advskew become master again? For me it's seems like a master is a master as long as every thing it's OK, the adskew does not do anything. Best regards Johan </pre> Johan Ryberg 2012-05-24T17:57:27 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195916 <pre>I am trying to configure a new server with OpenBSD 5.1 using CARP and I am having trouble configuring the internal interface. When configured the traffic flows out the physical interface (bge2) and not the carp interface (carp5). I am currently running another set of servers on OpenBSD 4.9 with the same configuration files and the traffic flows out the internal interface on the carp interface and not the physical. Has something changed in the latest release? I have four interfaces on the box bge0 : used for management bge1 : external interface that is trunked to manage ip's on different VLAN bge2 : internal interface bge3 : pfsync /etc/hostname.bge0 -&gt; inet 192.168.29.73 255.255.255.0 /etc/hostname.bge1 -&gt; up description "Trunked for external" /etc/hostname.bge2 -&gt; inet 172.16.28.42 255.255.255.0 NONE /etc/hostname.bge3 -&gt; inet 172.16.29.42 255.255.255.0 NONE /etc/hostname.carp30 -&gt; inet 192.168.28.40 255.255.255.0 192.168.28.255 vhid 30 advbase 1 advskew 100 carpdev vlan28 pass xxx /etc/hostname.carp5 -&gt; inet 172.16.28.20 255.255.255.0 172.16.28.255 vhid 5 advbase 1 advskew 100 carpdev bge2 pass xxx /etc/hostname.pfsync0 -&gt; up syncdev bge3 syncpeer 172.16.29.32 /etc/hostname.vlan28 -&gt; inet 192.168.28.8 255.255.255.0 NONE vlan 28 vlandev bge1 Everything is actually working and I can fail over an interface between two servers but I noticed when using tcpdump that the traffic is not going over the internal carp5 interface. Any help is appreciated, --jw </pre> Jason Wagstaff 2012-05-24T15:42:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195915 <pre>N&gt;h(i''ce$)eg1f57e&gt;7f &lt;g&gt;hh(g#d8f,!cg=g:?g4+e7ce$'fce: i";g'f/e go&lt;fg5h?h&gt;h2;jqDyfDjn hfd8g,e h(;eg&amp;ei(e=)e!f&lt;i;ch?g&lt;gd:g!h5&amp;f1f3=f0ee $hd; f2!f3e0f77eh,e;o?# B </pre> hqk 2012-05-24T15:25:53 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195914 <pre>Hello, Greetings for the day! I am Vinay and I am contacting you after looking at your website- We are a Leading Indian Based SEO &amp; Web Development Company and one of the very few company which offer organic SEO services with a full range of supporting services such as one way themed text links, blog submissions, directory submissions, article writing and postings, etc. We are a team of 50+ professionals which includes 18 full time SEO experts. We are proud to inform you that our team handled 100+ SEO projects and obtained 40000+ manually built links in the past 1 year. 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What do you guys think about the reliability of the news (unfortunatelly in German only) on www.golem.de (http://www.golem.de/news/bundesregierung-deutsche-geheimdienste-koennen-pgp- entschluesseln-1205-92031.html) that the German government claims to be able to break PGP and SSH. The official answer to some MPs and the party "Die Linke" is here: http://www.andrej-hunko.de/start/download/doc_download/225-strategische-fernm eldeaufklaerung-durch-geheimdienste-des-bundes For the non-German speaking (found on page 3 of the official document): Question: "3. Is the technique used also able to at least in part decode and/or analyze encrypted communication (e.g. by SSH of PGP)?" Answer: "Yes, the technique used is in principle able to do this, depending on the way and quality of the encryption." (Yepp - that's the complete answer!) Is this some sort of Governmental FUD by just NOT adding s.th. like "if the password/passphrase is weak enough"? STEFAN --- Mail: stefan&lt; at &gt;wollny.de Gnu PG-Key ID: 0x9C26F1D0 </pre> Stefan Wollny 2012-05-24T12:26:43 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/195907 <pre>OBSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO AMPIMPA TUCUMAN - ARGENTINA Declarado de Interis Educativo por el Ministerio de Educacisn de la Nacisn _____ misc&lt; at &gt;openbsd.org At. Campamentos Cientmficos 2012/2013 - Aqos del Maximo Solar - Docetes Campamentos Cientmficos exclusivos para Docentes "La ciencia en el Aula. 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