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Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

Anurag Bhatia — 2012-05-25T16:01:11

Hello everyone


I have been aggressively looking for deals in servers in Europe for
anycasting. One thing which surprises me is the "setup costs" for BGP. Few
providers quoted additional $50-100 which looks OK but a few of them quoted
as high as $150 *extra every month* just for having BGP (no full routing
table, but just default route pointing). Is there's any technical logic
behind such heavy costs? I mean at the end of day we are all talking at
layer 3 and thus it does not involves any hard connection/physical work.
What other members pay for BGP setup costs?



Thanks!

FBI Presses for Amendment to CALEA to cover social networks

Jay Ashworth — 2012-05-25T15:57:06

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/fbi-forming-communications-assistance-center-to-help-spy-on-americans/2012/05/24/gJQAFuuSnU_story.html

Database with telephone numbers

Jarek Kasjaniuk — 2012-05-25T14:47:51

Hello NANOG,

I am looking for information about database which provides the names of companies
and allocated telephone numbers in US.

I know that FCC has a website  http://apps.fcc.gov/cgb/form499/499a.cfm,
but there are only companies names.

In Poland we have similar database on our "FCC" website - UKE ( Office of Electronic Communications ),
but we can find to whom belongs allocated telephone numbers.
For example:  area code 12 + number starts at 200 -> 12200
and we have -> area code '12' | allocated pool 'SPQM=200(1,3,6,8,0)' | area 'Krakow' | owner 'TP S.A'

Where can I find that kind of information?

Thanks in advance for help.

--
Jarek Kasjaniuk

APNIC 34 Conference - Call for Papers

Randy Bush — 2012-05-23T01:55:53

________________________________________________________________________

APNIC 34 Conference - Call for Papers
________________________________________________________________________


The APNIC 34 Programme Committee is now seeking tutorials and
presentations for the APNIC 34 Conference to be held in Phnom Penh,
Cambodia from 27 - 31 August 2012.  We are looking for content which
would suit the technical conference sessions and the tutorials.

Key Dates
---------

The timeline for submissions is:

Call for Papers OpensNow
First Round Paper Acceptance2 July 2012
Final Deadline for Submissions 13 August 2012
Final Round Paper Acceptance 20 August 2012
Final Slides Received25 August 2012

Submitting Proposals
--------------------

http://submission.apnic.net

Programme Material
------------------

The technical sessions at APNIC 34 will include presentations relevant
to Internet operations and technologies. The following topics are
examples of possible areas of interest.

       - IPv4 exhaustion / IPv6 deployment and operations
       - NAT64/444, 6rd, DSLite, A+P
       - ISP and Carrier Services
       - IXPs and Peering
       - Network security
       - Access and Transport Technologies
       - Content and Service Delivery

If you have any another ideas or proposals for panel or Birds of
Feather sessions, please feel free to submit your ideas via the
submission system.

If you have any questions, please email the Programme Committee at:

     apnic-pc< at >apnic.net

For more information about APNIC 34, please visit:

     http://conference.apnic.net/34


On behalf of:

APNIC 34 Programme Committee
Co-chairs: Philip Smith & Mark Tinka

[NANOG-announce] NANOG 55 Update

2012-05-24T20:52:08

*NANOGers* do not miss out. NANOG 55 is Quickly Approaching!

For those who have not yet registered, please note:

   - *http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog55/nanog55_registration.html*
   - Late Registration starting May 28, 2012 (non-member $600, member $575,
   student $100)
   - On-Site Registration starting June 3, 2012 (non-member $675, member
   $650, student $100)

For those needing to make your hotel reservations, the Westin Bayshore,
Vancouver does have availability; Phone: (604) 682-3377 or visit
https://www.starwoodmeeting.com/StarGroupsWeb/booking/reservation?id=1110270761&key=424C7

The NANOG 55 *Agenda is complete and posted at
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog55/socials.html*

*Lighting Talk Submissions Open (Abstracts Only), May 28, 2012*

And of course you will not want to miss on the ever popular *NANOG Socials
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog55/socials.html*

Thank you to all our speakers, sponsors, NANOG committee members, and staff
who working to make NANOG 55 a reality!

Hope to see everyone in Vancouver!

Sincerely,
Betty

Equinix Direct

Tim Durack — 2012-05-24T20:01:07

Anyone got experience with "Equinix Direct"?

Looks like an interesting product from the glossy, but rather light on
details. I'm interested in the technical specs and real-life
experience.

(Not looking for sales. I've got a purchasing d00d for that.)

Thanks,

--
Tim:>

IETF SIDR Interim meeting post NANOG55

Christopher Morrow — 2012-05-24T18:15:53

Howdy nanog attendee-potentials,
if there are folk interested in the SIDR (Secure InterDomain Routing)
work going on over in the IETF, there's an interim meeting scheduled
(like the one that was in San Diego during NANOG54) for 6/6/2012 in
Vancouver. If you'd like more information:
  <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac/wiki/InterimMeeting20120606>

There will be both in-person and virtual (phone/webex) attendance
capabilities, we'd love to see some more operations folks chat about
especially:
  o rekeying processes/procedures/implications
  o performance measurement bounds

These two items are essentially:
  "How do I get that key thingy onto my router thingamabob?"
  including: "Oh, yes that device is in elbonia, we have always been
at info-war with elbonia, so.... maybe we should be more careful that
calling out the key in plain text over the phone to the local
colo-help-desk??"

and

  "How large/fast/agile does the whole of the system need to be? why
so small/large? How about the part related just to my
router-thing-a-ma-bob?"

attending-virtually,
-chris

alcatel var/integrator

Chris McDonald — 2012-05-24T14:23:44

does anyone have any experience with alcatel var's/integegrators
they'd be willing to share?

thanks
chris

RIPE 65 Call for Presentations/Papers

Todd Underwood — 2012-05-24T12:58:19

Fellow North American network-interested-and-involved folks:  In
September, RIPE will be back in Amsterdam and we're interested in
presentations.  Please see the appended Call for Presentations and let
me/us know if you have an interesting idea for a presentation, panel,
birds-of-a-feather sessions or a tutorial.  thanks!




Call for Presentations: RIPE 65

A RIPE Meeting is an open event where Internet Service Providers,
network operators and other interested parties get together. Although
the meeting is mostly technical, it is also a chance for people to
meet and network with others in their field.

RIPE 65 will take place on 24-28 September 2012 in Amsterdam, Netherlands.

The RIPE Programme Committee (PC) is now seeking content proposals
from the RIPE community for the Plenary, BoF and tutorial sessions at
RIPE 65. The PC is looking for presentations covering topics of
network engineering and operations, including but not limited to:

- IPv6 deployment
- Managing IPv4 scarcity in operations
- Commercial transactions of IPv4 addresses
- Data center technologies
- Network and DNS operations
- Internet governance and regulatory practices
- Network and routing security
- Content delivery
- Internet peering and mobile data exchange


Submissions

Attendees of the RIPE meetings are quite sensitive to keeping
presentations non-commercial, and product marketing talks are strongly
discouraged. Repeated audience feedback shows that the most successful
talks focus on operational experience, research results, or case
studies. For example, presenters wishing to describe a commercial
solution should focus on the underlying technology and not attempt a
product demonstration.

Presenters who are proposing a panel or BoF are encouraged to include
speakers from several (perhaps even competing) companies and/or a
neutral facilitator.

In addition to presentations selected in advance for the Plenary, the
RIPE PC also offers several time slots for “lightning talks” which are
selected immediately before or during the conference.

The following requirements apply:

- Proposals for talks, BoFs and panels must be submitted for full
consideration no later than 1 July 2012, using the meeting submission
system at:

https://meetings.ripe.net/pc/

Proposals submitted after this date will be considered on a
space-available basis.

- Presenters should indicate how much time they will require (30
minutes for talks is a common maximum duration, although some talks
can be longer).

- Proposals for talks will only be considered by the PC if they
contain at least draft presentation slides (slides may be updated
later on). For BoFs and panels proposals must contain a clear
description as well as names of invited panelists/presenters.

- Due to potential technical issues, it is expected that most if not
all presenters/panelists will be physically present at the RIPE
meeting.

- Lightning talks should be submitted using the meeting submission
system. They must be short (10 minutes maximum) and often involve more
timely topics. They can be submitted at any time. The allocation of
lightning talk slots will be announced one day prior to the relevant
session.

If you have any questions or requests concerning content submissions,
please email pc [at] ripe [dot] net.

------

Todd Underwood
for the RIPE Program(me) Committee
toddunder< at >gmail.com

ISPs and full packet inspection

not common — 2012-05-24T12:50:47

Hello,

I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level.

Is there any regulations that prohibit or provide guidance on this?

Qwest/CenturyLink implementing transparent proxies?

Brielle Bruns — 2012-05-24T07:16:13

Hello All,

A little off topic, but I was wondering if there's any Qwest/CenturyLink 
network engineers or techs lurking on this list that would contact me 
offlist?

I won't bore people with the details, but I'm seeing what appears to be 
a transparent proxy on some sites when visited from multiple clients 
(all with Qwest DSL).  When browsing on our non-Qwest circuits (such as 
the T1s), we do not see the same behaviors.

Its concerning to say the least, and something I'd like to get a clear 
and straight answer about.

Thanks!

vixie, father of multitudes

paul vixie — 2012-05-24T00:28:32

thanks to several folks who let me know this was going on. i hadn't even
noticed that i wasn't getting nanog< at >. thanks to seclists.org for hosting
an archive i could use.

---

From: bmanning () vacation karoshi com
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:40:16 +0000

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote:

    On May 22, 2012, at 9:10 PM, bmanning () vacation karoshi com wrote:

        On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:52:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote:

            On May 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

                father of bind?  that's news.

<http://boingboing.net/2012/03/29/paul-vixies-firsthand-accoun.html>

            He was there, and Put The Fix In, to down the network.

            Certainly news to Phil Almquist and the entire BIND
development team
            at UCB.   Paul was at DECWRL and cut his teeth on
pre-existing code.
            While he (and ISC) have since revised, gutted, tossed all
the orginal
            code, rebuilt it twice - and others have done similar for
their DNS
            software,  based on the BIND code base, implementation
assumptions, and
            with little or no ISC code, and they call it BIND as well, 
it would be
            a HUGE leap of faith to call Paul Vixie the father of
                    BIND - The Berkeley Internet Naming Daemon.

    Methinks we're talking at cross purposes.

        maybe... :)  my comment was refering to the "father of bind"
statement.

i don't describe myself that way. i inherited bind at 4.8.3 and fixed
stuff. i
rewrote a lot of it for 4.9.

we (mostly me but with huge work by robert halley and mark andrews)
rewrote most of
it for bind 8.1. (there was no 8.0.) other people (not me) wrote bind
9.x. other
people (mostly not the same people) are writing bind 10.

if my wikipedia entry is wrong in this regard i invite folks to fix it.
last i
heard it's disallowed for people to edit their own entries, so i have
not tried.

i am not the father of anything, except four healthy kids. i do
sometimes call
myself "the wierd uncle of the internet" but "father of bind" is not
what i mean.

            As for being there and "Put The Fix In"...  Makes for great
PR but
            in actual fact, its a bandaid that is not going to stem the
tide.
            An actual fix would really need to change the nature of the
creaky
            1980's implementation artifacts that this community loves so
well.

    I don't think we're talking about the same thing at all.
    Paul was there to shut down the DNS changer system and replace it
with something that restored functionality to the
    infected machines.
    And I gather Paul will be one of the people who will turn the lights
out on it.

yes, and yes.

        He didn't "shut down" DNS Changer, he put up an equivalent
system to hijack
        DNS traffic and direct it to the "right" place...  SO folks
didn't see any
        problem and the DNS Changer infection grew and got worse.  When
he is legally
        required to take his "bandaide" out of service, then the problem
will resolve
        by folks who will have to clean their systems.

it's true, the fbi team who powered all that stuff off and loaded it into a
u-haul truck are the ones who "shut down dns changer". or perhaps it was the
police in estonia who arrested all those people. i'm not the shutter-downer.

        As for "turning the lights out" - that will only happen when the
value of
        DNS hijacking drops.   As it is now,  ISC has placed DNS
hijacking code
        into their mainstream code base... because DNS hijacking is so
valuable to
        folks.  In a modestly favorable light, ISC looks like an arms
dealer (DNS redirection)
        to the bad guys -AND- (via DNSSEC) the good guys.  Either way,
they make money.

well, no. but that seems off-topic. start a new thread if you care.
(and, cc me!)

        And yes, I think I agree with you.  Paul will be there to turn
things off when
        they no longer make money for his company.

well, no. when the court order runs out we will have to shut things
down. but the
money FBI is paying us for this is just to cover costs. and, it's not my
company.
isc is a 501(c)(3), basically a ward of the state of delaware, having no
shares
and therefore no shareholders.

    Your other comments are non-sequitur to the main issue.

        Perhaps I am not a member of the Paul Vixie cult of personality.  

so sad.

    When those servers are turned off, Customer Support folks at many
ISPs will prolly want to take their accrued
    vacation.

        Amen.  And there will be thousands more of them when the court
order expires than
        existed when the Feds called him in.

um. no. hundreds of thousands less than before the feds called ISC in.
see dcwg.org.

it's lovely to have so many fans. keep those cards and letters coming.
(but, cc me!)

paul

Any mail peeps from Rackspace?

Mike Lyon — 2012-05-23T23:10:05

Howdy,

Looking for a mail admin at Rackspace to help troubleshoot some issues.
Please hit me up off-list.

Thank You,
Mike

Equinix Tyoko service provider

Rodrick Brown — 2012-05-23T22:47:45

Can anyone recommended an Internet service provider with presence in Equinix-TKO. I'm looking to implement VPN access as means for backup access for a handful of collocated servers in this facility.

I have a small branch office in Jersey City with about 10 users that would access this link for contingency purposes only. In terms of hardware I'm thinking an ASA5505 will fit the bill.

Any pitfalls I should be aware of?

Feel free to contact me off list. 

Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

NANOG 55 Peering Track agenda and announcements

Steve Ginsberg — 2012-05-23T21:07:10

Hi All,

Here's the current plan for the Peering BOF.

Session will take place on Monday, June 4, 2012 from 4:30 PM to 6:00 PM in Salon D-F

Please join us for a lively discussion.

NANOG Peering BoF 90 minutes

Introductions and PeeringDB PSA 5min
Peering Personals Part I 5min
LinkedIN Presentation/Discussion 20min
IX Updates 5 min
Peering Personals Part 2 5-10 min
Pandora Presentation/Discussion 20min
Mobile/Peering Changes Discussion 20 min

* If you'd like to be part of new Peering Personals - a chance to announce your intention to peer - we'd love to meet you. Please email me off-list with
Name, Organization, and URL in Peeringdb by next Monday.

* If you're an IX and want to be part of the IX update, please email me directly for the slide template. I'll send it to you so you can submit 1-3 (no more) PowerPoint slides which can be rolled with out narration, by next Monday. 

* I'd also like to speak to some more folks who work for the Mobile carriers so please get in touch if you'd like to help.


~Steve 
http://www.pandora.com/profile/peace
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=1407
for peering requests please send to peering< at >pandora.com

SNMP/TCP probes from critical.io

Raoul Bhatia [IPAX] — 2012-05-23T10:18:33

hi!

during the last couple of days, i noticed probes from some hosts that
present themselves as critical.io probe hosts, including but not
limited to, the following IP addresses:

* 184.154.42.194 / critical.io
* 69.64.43.135 / research1.critical.io
* 69.64.43.137 / research2.critical.io
* 69.64.43.142 / research3.critical.io
* 50.116.22.209

The systems present the following information via http:
 > This system is coordinating an internet-wide survey of open TCP
 > ports, service banners, SNMP system descriptions, and NetBIOS name
 > queries. The results of this survey will be used to uncover
 > systematic vulnerabilities in the equipment provided by ISPs to their
 > customers.

Have you noticed these probes and what are your thoughts on them?

Cheers,
Raoul

Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

Henry Linneweh — 2012-05-23T02:14:16

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/17/dns_changer_blackouts/

-Henry

Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers

Paul Porter — 2012-05-22T23:00:21

Hi NANOG,

I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone
carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically,
we are trying to figure out:

1.  How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and
Sprint are on IPv6 now?
2.  If, and how, are they handling NAT64 for native IPv6 edge devices?
3. What is the percentage of breakdown for users on native IPv6? Dual
stacked?

GREE is a mobile social gaming company and we're trying to better
understand what lies between our customer's smart phones and our servers.
My next step will be to reach out to the carriers themselves, but I figured
many of their Network Engineers are probably on the NANOG mailing list and
this would be a great place to start.

Thanks in advance for your time and assistance.

Sincerely,

- Paul Porter

this NANOG wiki is getting spammed

Tei — 2012-05-22T17:06:41

I don't think this is the official nanog wiki, but anyway probably the
owners are on this mail list.

Spammers is wasting everyone time by filling it with crap.
http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Special:RecentChanges

Spam from inteliquent.com subject "nanog"

Jay Hennigan — 2012-05-22T03:01:02

Anyone else just get this?  Curious if they're scraping this list for
addresses.

--
Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay< at >impulse.net
Impulse Internet Service  -  http://www.impulse.net/
Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV

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joseph guerra — 2012-05-22T00:21:58