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What are current plans for RMCL?

Pascal Costanza — 2012-04-11T13:02:18

Hi,

I'd like to get an idea what the current plans for RMCL are, if any. Since the switch to OS X 10.7, there is no default support for old PowerPC applications on OS X anymore, so RMCL doesn't work anymore, at least not without a major effort. Are there any plans to find a remedy for this situation? Or will RMCL effectively become deprecated?

I'm asking for the following reasons: When ASDF was changed from 1.x to 2.x, this caused some problems for RMCL, which I eventually resolved by using Common Lisp's logical pathnames for the systems I maintain (primarily Closer to MOP and ContextL). However, the current maintainers of ASDF have an unjustified very low regard for logical pathnames, which causes a lot of pain - basically, whenever a new version of a Common Lisp implementation comes bundled with a new ASDF version, I have to deal with bugs in ASDF that in one way or the other break my setup with logical pathnames.

Since my time is limited and is better served on things other than producing bug reports for ASDF (which is a tool that should be much more stable than it currently is), I decided now that it is better to drop logical pathnames and go for the Unix-like names that the ASDF maintainers seem to strongly prefer. RMCL would be the only Common Lisp implementation that would cause a problem in this regard.

So, what's the verdict?


Thanks a lot for any hints!

Best,
Pascal

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Intermediate debugger steps

peter — 2012-03-26T14:55:23

I need help with enabling/disabling the display of intermediate steps 
within MCL's debugger.

Any pointers would be much appreciated.
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ELS 2012, Zadar, Croatia

Marco Antoniotti — 2012-02-01T13:15:42

Apologies for the multiple postings. 

PAPER SUBMISSION DEADLINE EXTENDED 


European Lisp Symposium 2012, Zadar, Croatia, April 30th - May 1st, 2012 

http://european-lisp-symposium.org 

The purpose of the European Lisp Symposium is to provide a forum for 
the discussion and dissemination of all aspects of design, 
implementation and application of any of the Lisp and Lisp-inspired 
dialects, including Common Lisp, Scheme, Emacs Lisp, AutoLisp, ISLISP, 
Dylan, Clojure, ACL2, ECMAScript, Racket, SKILL, and so on. We 
encourage everyone interested in Lisp to participate. 


The main theme of the 2012 European Lisp Conference is 
"Interoperability: Systems, Libraries, Workflows".  Lisp based and 
functional-languages based systems have grown a variety of solutions 
to become more and more integrated with the wider world of Information 
and Communication Technologies in current use.  There are several 
dimensions to the scope of the solutions proposed, ranging from 
"embedding" of interpreters in C-based systems, to the development of 
abstractions levels that facilitate the expression of complex context 
dependent tasks, to the construction of exchange formats handling 
libraries, to the construction of theorem-provers for the "Semantic 
Web".  The European Lisp Symposium 2012 solicits the submission of 
papers with this specific theme in mind, alongside the more 
traditional tracks which have appeared in the past editions. 

We invite submissions in the following forms: 

Papers: Technical papers of up to 15 pages that describe original 
results or explain known ideas in new and elegant ways. 

Demonstrations: Abstracts of up to 4 pages for demonstrations of 
tools, libraries, and applications. 

Tutorials: Abstracts of up to 4 pages for in-depth presentations about 
topics of special interest for at least 90 minutes and up to 180 
minutes. 

Lightning talks: Abstracts of up to one page for talks to last for no 
more than 5 minutes. 

All submissions should be formatted following the ACM SIGS guidelines 
and include ACM classification categories and terms. For more 
information on the submission guidelines and the ACM keywords, see: 
http://www.acm.org/sigs/publications/proceedings-templates and 
http://www.acm.org/about/class/1998. 


Important dates: 

February 15th 2012: submission deadline (extended deadline) 
March 7th 2012: acceptance results 

April 30th 2012: Conference opens 


Program Commitee. 
Chair: 
Marco Antoniotti, Università degli Studi di Milano Bicocca, Milan, ITALY 

Local organizers: 
Damir Cavar, Eastern Michigan University 
Franjo Pehar, University of Zadar 
Damir Kero, University of Zadar 

Members: 
Giuseppe Attardi, Università degli Studi di Pisa, Pisa, ITALY 
Pascal Costanza, Intel, Bruxelles, BELGIUM 
Marc Feeley, Université de Montreal, Montreal, CANADA 
Scott McKay, Google, U.S.A. 
Kent Pitman, U.S.A. 
Christophe Rhodes, Department of Computing, Goldsmiths, University of London, London, UNITED KINGDOM 
Robert Strandh, LABRI, Université de Bordeaux, Bordaux, FRANCE 
Didier Verna, EPITA / LRDE, FRANCE 
Taiichi Yuasa, Kyoto University, JAPAN


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ELS2012 Zadar, Croatia, Call for Papers

Marco Antoniotti — 2012-01-23T11:50:10

Apologies for the multiple postings...

===========================================================================

European Lisp Symposium 2012, Zadar, Croatia, April 30th - May 1st, 2012
http://european-lisp-symposium.org

The purpose of the European Lisp Symposium is to provide a forum for
the discussion and dissemination of all aspects of design,
implementation and application of any of the Lisp and Lisp-inspired
dialects, including Common Lisp, Scheme, Emacs Lisp, AutoLisp, ISLISP,
Dylan, Clojure, ACL2, ECMAScript, Racket, SKILL, and so on. We
encourage everyone interested in Lisp to participate.


The main theme of the 2012 European Lisp Conference is
"Interoperabilty: Systems, Libraries, Workflows".  Lisp based and
functional-languages based systems have grown a variety of solutions
to become more and more integrated with the wider world of Information
and Communication Technologies in current use.  There are several
dimensions to the scope of the solutions proposed, ranging from
"embedding" of interpreters in C-based systems, to the development of
abstractions levels that facilitate the expression of complex context
dependent tasks, to the construction of exchange formats handling
libraries, to the construction of theorem-provers for the "Semantic
Web".  The European Lisp Symposium 2012 solicits the submission of
papers with this specific theme in mind, alongside the more
traditional tracks which have appeared in the past editions.

We invite submissions in the following forms:

Papers: Technical papers of up to 15 pages that describe original
results or explain known ideas in new and elegant ways.

Demonstrations: Abstracts of up to 4 pages for demonstrations of
tools, libraries, and applications.

Tutorials: Abstracts of up to 4 pages for in-depth presentations about
topics of special interest for at least 90 minutes and up to 180
minutes.

Lightning talks: Abstracts of up to one page for talks to last for no
more than 5 minutes.

All submissions should be formatted following the ACM SIGS guidelines
and include ACM classification categories and terms. For more
information on the submission guidelines and the ACM keywords, see:
http://www.acm.org/sigs/publications/proceedings-templates and
http://www.acm.org/about/class/1998.


Important dates:

Jan 31st 2012: submission deadline
Feb 21st 2012: acceptance results

April 30th, 2012 Conference opens


Program Commitee.
Chair:
Marco Antoniotti, Università degli Studi di Milano Bicocca, Milan, ITALY

Local organizers:
Damir Ćavar, Eastern Michigan University
Franjo Pehar, University of Zadar
Damir Kero, University of Zadar

Members:
Giuseppe Attardi, Università degli Studi di Pisa, Pisa, ITALY
Pascal Costanza, Intel, Bruxelles, BELGIUM
Marc Feeley, Université de Montreal, Montreal, CANADA
Scott McKay, Google, U.S.A.
Kent Pitman, U.S.A.
Christophe Rhodes, Department of Computing, Goldsmiths, University of London, London, UNITED KINGDOM
Robert Strandh, LABRI, Université de Bordeaux, Bordaux, FRANCE
Didier Verna, EPITA / LRDE, FRANCE
Taiichi Yuasa, Kyoto University, JAPAN


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MCL on latest Mac Mini

peter — 2012-01-14T22:32:22

Can MCL run on a current i5 Mac Mini that's been back-graded to Snow Leopard?

The Apple Store folks are a little ambiguous about whether a 
backgrade from Lion to SL is possible after a recent firmware upgrade.

Any insights on this would be appreciated asap.
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SUBTYPEP mishap?

Marco Antoniotti — 2012-01-08T13:55:04

Hi

AM I BEING LOADED?
Welcome to Clozure Common Lisp Version 1.7-store-r15140  (DarwinX8664)!
? (subtypep 'foo t)
T
T


This seems wrong.  Note that I want to define

(defun is-type-specifier (x)
    (ignore-errors (subtytpep x t)))

Cheers

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P.S.  The "AM I BEING LOADED?" is cute, but a bit annoying.... :)

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SUBTYPEP mishap?

Marco Antoniotti — 2012-01-08T13:55:04

Hi

AM I BEING LOADED?
Welcome to Clozure Common Lisp Version 1.7-store-r15140  (DarwinX8664)!
? (subtypep 'foo t)
T
T


This seems wrong.  Note that I want to define

(defun is-type-specifier (x)
    (ignore-errors (subtytpep x t)))

Cheers

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P.S.  The "AM I BEING LOADED?" is cute, but a bit annoying.... :)

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SUBTYPEP mishap?

Marco Antoniotti — 2012-01-08T13:55:04

Hi

AM I BEING LOADED?
Welcome to Clozure Common Lisp Version 1.7-store-r15140  (DarwinX8664)!
? (subtypep 'foo t)
T
T


This seems wrong.  Note that I want to define

(defun is-type-specifier (x)
    (ignore-errors (subtytpep x t)))

Cheers

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P.S.  The "AM I BEING LOADED?" is cute, but a bit annoying.... :)

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ccl::defmethod-congruency-override

peter — 2011-12-17T07:02:31

Somewhere in recent changes to MCL, 
ccl::*defmethod-congruency-override* seems to have disappeared. 
Looking through older sources, I can't find it. I was expecting 
something in the ccl::check-defmethod-congruency in 
level-1:ppc:l1-clos-boot.lisp.

My objective is to over-ride warnings when overlaying a clutch of 
method re-definitions which changed arguments, as once we could using 
a wrapping binding of ccl::*defmethod-congruency-override* to T.
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MCL Web server

Sandro Pedrazzini — 2011-10-03T13:29:34

Hello,

I need to verify the possibility to create a client/server version of  
an old MCL application, where the MCL code runs server-side.
One possibility is to organize the client/server communication at  
socket level, through a (non MCL) rich client,  but, if I remember  
well, there is a MCL Web server implementation allowing to abstract  
the socket level and communicate through http.

Has anybody a good link to such an implementation?
Do you have other implementation suggestions?

Best regards
Sandro


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clozure.com down

Raffael Cavallaro — 2011-08-10T20:00:55

You may already be aware of this, but clozure.com appears to be down.

warmest regards,

Ralph

Raffael Cavallaro
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Intel native MCL

Benjamin Perrault — 2011-06-05T00:00:40

I've been using MCL a lot (again) lately, but one looming concern I have is it seems to still be very much a PPC centric app ( or I'm  building it wrong because it always comes out as one ).

Has there been any progress on making it an intel native app, as Lion appears to have no PPC support?

This is something I've just realized and MCL ( and MCLIDE, which I use for Clojure and Clozure CL ) seem to be the only non-intel apps I have let and there really is no replacement for either of them....

Anyway - just curious if that ball is rolling. I'm not good enough of a lisp hack to help much on that low of a level but I wanted to ask...

cheers and thanks,
-bp
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MCL questions

Juergen Dabel — 2011-05-29T17:51:16

I am in Germany and so I am using a German keyboard, the < at > sign is on the L key, but when using MCL i have to switch to US keyboard via the System Menu. Is there a possibility to change the keys from US shift 2 to German L? Somewhere in the Interfaces folder there is a file, but I am overwhelmed to find the appropriate method.

Can one send me a small snippet for putting an image (JPEG, TIFF, PNG etc,) or a "home made" icon to view?

Thank you

juergen dabel
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CL-FAD - portable pathname library

Terje Norderhaug — 2011-05-17T20:49:41

I have added CL-FAD to the Portability page for MCL:

  http://code.google.com/p/mcl/wiki/Portability

The CL-FAD pathname library is a thin portable layer atop the standard pathname functions.

Using the portable libraries in place of MCL-specific interfaces facilitates that your code can be used with other Common Lisp implementations.

Credits: The original code for this library was written by Peter Seibel for his book Practical Common Lisp. Edi Weitz added some stuff and made sure it worked properly on Windows, specifically with CCL. Thanks to James Bielman, Maciek Pasternacki, Jack D. Unrue, Gary King, and Douglas Crosher who sent patches for OpenMCL, ECL, ABCL, MCL, and Scieneer CL.

Any other portable libraries that should be added to the list?

Portability with USocket

Terje Norderhaug — 2011-05-16T23:44:22

I have updated the Portability wiki page for MCL with a link to the USocket TCP/IP socket interface, which supports MCL.

  http://code.google.com/p/mcl/wiki/Portability

USocket provides a portable alternative to using OpenTransport directly in your MCL applications or modules.

Using the portable libraries in place of MCL-specific interfaces facilitates that your code can be used with other Common Lisp implementations.

Thanks to Chun Tian (binghe) for bringing USocket to MCL. I have found good use for it in MCLIDE and elsewhere.

Any other portable libraries that should be added to the list?

MCLIDE 1.0b4 released

Terje Norderhaug — 2011-05-13T23:14:19

FYI, the new version of MCLIDE adds installers for most supported Lisp implementations including MCL 6. Here is the official announcement:

--------------------------------------

MCLIDE is a free open source Macintosh IDE for Lisp implementations on any platform. It provides a double-clickable, stand-alone development environment that connects to a Lisp either locally or through the network. 

The new MCLIDE 1.0b4 can install most supported Lisp implementations from the user interface, and has rich interactive development and debugging tools that make it easier to get productive with Lisp:

    http://mclide.in-progress.com

MCLIDE now also officially supports CLISP, in addition to Clojure, SBCL, Clozure CL, LispWorks and MCL. It can potentially be used with the same Lisp implementations as SLIME.

MCLIDE provides a consistent developer experience regardless of the Lisp.  The built-in programming editor has paren matching, automatic indentation and numerous shortcuts. It comes with plug-ins providing optional Lisp syntax styling and symbol completion. Use it on the same computer as your Lisp system, or target one  or more Lisp implementations on other computers or operating systems.

Follow the progress of MCLIDE at www.twitter.com/mclide

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Patch for fatal crashes during errors and backtrace

Terje Norderhaug — 2011-04-26T21:08:54

I have found the likely cause and issued a patch for a serious flaw that may cause fatal crashes in all versions of Rosetta MCL. 

The symptomatic crashes ironically happen during error handling, specifically when setting up the backtrace or reporting the call history.

I located the problem to the frame-vsp function in the MCL kernel. When called with NIL instead of a valid frame reference, it returns a bogus value.

The patch has been added to the MCL repository:

   http://code.google.com/p/mcl/source/browse/Patches/backtrace-fatality-patch.lisp

At long last

peter — 2011-04-08T16:44:21

<tongue in cheek>

I noticed, reading MacUser (UK version) issue 1 Apr 2011 p.109, that 
they show a screen dump of Address Book which includes MCL Orders 
from Digitool Inc.

I just knew that MCL would hit the mainstream one day!

-p2
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RMCL on Core i3 based machines

Doug Currie — 2011-03-31T19:16:25

I have a report from a customer that they cannot launch my RMCL based application on a Core i3 based iMac running OS X 10.6.4 or 10.6.7. The application runs fine for them and me on Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro.

Can anyone confirm that RMCL does or does not work on i3-based machines?

Thanks!

e

[Final CfPart] European Lisp Symposium, Hamburg,March 31 - April 1

Didier Verna — 2011-03-09T16:29:21

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     4th European Lisp Symposium
      Special Focus on Parallelism & Efficiency

      March 31 - April 1st, 2011
TUHH, Hamburg University of Technology
   Hamburg, Germany

       http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/

Sponsors: EPITA, TUHH, Lispworks, Franz Inc., NovaSparks and Freiheit

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


News:
~~~~~
* The final program is now online.
* The early registration deadline is in 3 days, so hurry!
  Registration will still be possible afterwards.



Invited Speakers:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig Zilles -- Compiling for the common case
Marc Battyani -- Reconfigurable computing on steroids
Apostolos Syropoulos -- Scala: an OO surprise



Scope
~~~~~~
The purpose of the European Lisp Symposium is to provide a forum for
the discussion and dissemination of all aspects of design,
implementation and application of any of the Lisp dialects, including
Common Lisp, Scheme, Emacs Lisp, AutoLisp, ISLISP, Dylan, Clojure,
ACL2, ECMAScript, Racket, SKILL and so on. We encourage everyone
interested in Lisp to participate.

The European Lisp Symposium 2011 invites high quality papers about
novel research results, insights and lessons learned from practical
applications, and educational perspectives. We also encourage
submissions about known ideas as long as they are presented in a new
setting and/or in a highly elegant way.

This year's focus will be directed towards "Parallelism & Efficiency".


Programme Chair
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Didier Verna - EPITA Research and Development Laboratory, France

Local Chair
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ralf Moeller - Hamburg University of Technology, Germany

Programme Committee
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Antonio Leitao - Instituto Superior Tecnico/INESC-ID, Portugal
Christophe Rhodes - Goldsmiths College, University of London, UK
David Edgar Liebke - Relevance Inc., USA
Didier Verna - EPITA Research and Development Laboratory, France
Henry Lieberman - MIT Media Laboratory, USA
Jay McCarthy - Brigham Young University, USA
Jose Luis Ruiz Reina - Universidad de Sevilla, Spain
Marco Antoniotti - Universita Milano Bicocca, Italy
Manuel Serrano - INRIA, France
Michael Sperber - DeinProgramm, Germany
Pascal Costanza - Vrije Universiteit of Brussel, Belgium
Scott McKay - ITA Software, USA

[CfPart] 4th European Lisp Symposium, registration open!

Didier Verna — 2011-02-15T15:30:25

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     4th European Lisp Symposium
      Special Focus on Parallelism & Efficiency

      March 31 - April 1st, 2011
TUHH, Hamburg University of Technology
   Hamburg, Germany

       http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/

Sponsored by EPITA, TUHH, Lispworks, Franz Inc., NovaSparks and Freiheit

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Registration is now open!
See http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/content-registration-full.html
for details.

The deadline for early registration is March 12.
There is a reduced fee for students and accompanying persons.
You may also subscribe to mailing lists for this year's occurrence
on the registration page.



Invited Speakers:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Craig Zilles -- Compiling for the common case
Marc Battyani -- Reconfigurable computing on steroids
Apostolos Syropoulos -- Scala: an OO surprise

The complete program will be available shortly.



Scope
~~~~~~
The purpose of the European Lisp Symposium is to provide a forum for
the discussion and dissemination of all aspects of design,
implementation and application of any of the Lisp dialects, including
Common Lisp, Scheme, Emacs Lisp, AutoLisp, ISLISP, Dylan, Clojure,
ACL2, ECMAScript, Racket, SKILL and so on. We encourage everyone
interested in Lisp to participate.



Programme Chair
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Didier Verna - EPITA Research and Development Laboratory, France

Local Chair
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ralf Moeller - Hamburg University of Technology, Germany

Programme Committee
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Antonio Leitao - Instituto Superior Tecnico/INESC-ID, Portugal
Christophe Rhodes - Goldsmiths College, University of London, UK
David Edgar Liebke - Relevance Inc., USA
Didier Verna - EPITA Research and Development Laboratory, France
Henry Lieberman - MIT Media Laboratory, USA
Jay McCarthy - Brigham Young University, USA
Jose Luis Ruiz Reina - Universidad de Sevilla, Spain
Marco Antoniotti - Universita Milano Bicocca, Italy
Manuel Serrano - INRIA, France
Michael Sperber - DeinProgramm, Germany
Pascal Costanza - Vrije Universiteit of Brussel, Belgium
Scott McKay - ITA Software, USA