http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48386 <pre>http://archlinux.me/dusty/2013/05/21/arch-linux-community-on-gittip/ Does this initiative have the Uber Archers blessing? Does it need one? I recall that there were issues regarding the official Google+ page even though it was started by an Arch dev, the info was posted on the forums https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=129923 and things seemed OK. </pre> Karol Blazewicz 2013-05-21T20:45:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48384 <pre>Hi, Perl 5.18, as any other new perl version, requires all modules that are not purely perl code to be rebuilt. We did that for all packages in our repos. For a list of upstream changes please refer to `man perldelta`. Since users probably installed some from AUR or with CPANPLUS::Dist::Arch, I wrote a script[1] that generates a local rebuild list. [1]: http://git.server-speed.net/bin/plain/find-broken-perl-packages.sh - raw.txt contains a list of files that generated an error - perl-modules.txt contains a list of modules the files belong to - perl-dists.txt contains a list of distributions - pacman.txt contains a list of pacman packages the files belong to Binaries linking with libperl.so will also need to be rebuilt. You can use lddd from devtools to find those. Please report any issue you encounter. </pre> Florian Pritz 2013-05-21T08:28:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48368 <pre>Hallo, IMO the moderated Arch general list became a good list for technically issues and for briefly and succinctly objective discussions. This shouldn't change. First I didn't like it, but now I can see the advantages of such a list. What IMO is missing for Arch Linux is a separated mailing list for longer, subjective discussions. I'm aware that this is possible using the forums, but for my taste a mailing list is more comfortable to use. I wonder if there's an interest for such a mailing list and if somebody has got the knowledge and is willing to set up such a mailing list. The international Debian mailing list is free for longer, subjective discussions, but there anyway is a separated list, for completely off topic discussions. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic There's no need to have a list for absolutely OT discussions for Arch Linux, as there is for Debian, but perhaps I'm not the only one who does like to get an Arch Linux mailing list for longer, subjective discussions. This comes into my mind, when I read a statement about the policy of Mint, thread: "Fully wroking GTK3(+GTK2) theme for Gnome 3.8?" E.g. desktop environments require sometimes discussions that IMO don't belong to Arch general, but there perhaps is the need to compare notes. What do you think about an additional mailing list for discussions that are OT for Arch generell? Regards, Ralf </pre> Ralf Mardorf 2013-05-18T16:27:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48365 <pre>Think something is broken in gvfs-afc, ifuse and friends while working with idevices. Nautilus shows me the devices in the right panel (the favorites one), both documentiation and the device itself and always show this error when trying to mont. &lt;code&gt;Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)&lt;/code&gt; I think I've done my homework on bbs, #archlinux and googling, and found the only way peopple resolved this problem was with ppas in *buntus so i want to look deeper... Also i got this from dmesg output when trying to mount manually with ifuse: &lt;code&gt; [ 105.595108] ifuse[500]: segfault at 2dd0 ip 00007ff49b7efc05 sp 00007ff4998e5cd8 error 4 in libimobiledevice.so.4.0.1[7ff49b7e3000+1a000] &lt;/code&gt; But the interesting part is that &lt;b&gt; Shotwell can import photos from the device &lt;/b&gt;. Surprisingly Rhytmbox cannot play music from it. In an iPad2 ( i'm going to suggest to Apple to change its name to &lt;b&gt; iCrap &lt;/b&gt;) neither Shotwell or Rhythmbox can get photos/music from the device. I'm running iOS 6.3 (latest version). Also for more info here is my uname -a, also i think is important to mention that i'm using GNOME (latest version from main repos). &lt;code&gt; Linux arch 3.9.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 11 20:31:08 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux &lt;/code&gt; I'm happy enough because i can retrieve at least the photos from the iPhone, but is annoying that this stopped to work. </pre> Joaquin Villanova 2013-05-17T15:52:08 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48360 <pre>It seems it's a rather common problem that GTK3 themes partly break Gnome3.8 by preventing having a nice desktop background while letting the file manager draw the background: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162204 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161918 I've so far found only two (2!) GTK3 themes that work in this respect, the default theme Adwaita that ships with Gnome3.8 and Nokto3.8 (http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=158033). I'm not particularly pleased with the aesthetics of either of them though. What's causing this behaviour in themes? (Hopefully it's easy to fix the broken themes I come across.) What other themes have you found that work properly? /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus&lt; at &gt;therning.org jabber: magnus&lt; at &gt;therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus </pre> Magnus Therning 2013-05-16T07:15:16 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48359 <pre>Hi all, After the last kernel upgrade, my sound is not working after weaking up from hibernate. The device "PulseAudio" is shown in alsamixer, PulseAudio is up and running, the channels are shown in pavucontrol and even the level sound bar is showing the audio levels, but there is no sound. Everything works after shutting down - starting up again my system (not even using restart). I am using systemd to hibernate / restart my laptop. Thanks in advance, </pre> Carlos Alegria Galicia 2013-05-17T11:04:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48356 <pre>After upgrading to 3.9.2 kernel, the sound did not work. However, the system CAN recognize my sound card, and my sound card appeared in `alsamixer` Downgrading the kernel can solve the problem. Providing more info: Acer Aspire laptop, with Intel i5 CPU, 2nd generation SandyBridge. `uname -a`: `lspci | grep Audio`: `dmesg`: `cat .pulse/daemon.pa`: `cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf`: (This file aims to fix another bug. Trying to remove this file could not fix this problem. I paste this file only because it is related to sound.) `lsmod`: &gt; Pasted here: http://p.vim-cn.com/cbbcx </pre> BlissSam 2013-05-15T16:12:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48353 <pre>There seems to have been a problem with pacman update today: :: Starting full system upgrade... resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: cyrus-sasl: requires libsasl=2.1.23 :: cyrus-sasl-gssapi: requires libsasl=2.1.23 Yet the current version is the above referred version but libsasl won't update on its own! [root&lt; at &gt;home1 ~]# pacman -Ss libsasl core/libsasl 2.1.26-2 [installed: 2.1.23-10] Cyrus Simple Authentication Service Layer (SASL) Library [root&lt; at &gt;home1 ~]# pacman -S libsasl resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: cyrus-sasl: requires libsasl=2.1.23 :: cyrus-sasl-gssapi: requires libsasl=2.1.23 I am confused! </pre> Mike Cloaked 2013-05-15T09:28:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48344 <pre>Hi, I've built Firefox 21 using Firefox 20 PKGBUILD, changing versions and reading the README notes on the source tarball, just for try. Should i expect any issue when installing? Is this a good method for a general purpose upgrading / downgrading? I mean, I can wait for this package because is in the extra repo, and is widely use and i know is going to be updated ASAP, but it should be good to know for other packages from AUR, or the main repos that doesn't get updated or get unmaintained. PD: I always flag packages that i found out of date! :) </pre> Joaquin Villanova 2013-05-14T11:34:41 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48330 <pre>Hello! An advice for VMware Workstation users: upgrading to gtkmm 2.24.3-1 on x86_64 makes VMware Workstation 8.0.6 crash on start or after a few seconds. I don't know about other versions. It happens with kernel 3.8.11 and 3.9.2. Downgrading to gtkmm 2.24.2-2 solves it (after an hour of trial and error). I'll create a bug report tomorrow. Too late for me now. Best Regards, Guillermo Leira </pre> Guillermo Leira 2013-05-13T21:49:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48328 <pre>I have just been hit by something: lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ g++ --version g++ (GCC) 4.8.0 20130502 (prerelease) Copyright (C) 2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ g++ -O2 -o test1 test1.cpp test1_init.cpp lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ ./test1 item 0 a: 1 lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ g++ -O1 -o test1 test1.cpp test1_init.cpp lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ ./test1 item 0 a: 1 lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ g++ -O0 -o test1 test1.cpp test1_init.cpp lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ ./test1 item 0 a: 1 item 1 a: 2 lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ cat test1.h struct A { int a; int b; int c; }; struct B { int numelem; /* * Old C trick to define a dynamically sizable array just by allocating * sizeof(B) + (numelem-1)*sizeof(A) memory. */ A item[1]; }; void initArr(B *p); lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ cat test1_init.cpp #include "test1.h" void initArr(B *p) { p-&gt;numelem = 2; p-&gt;item[0].a = 1; p-&gt;item[1].a = 2; } lano1106&lt; at &gt;hpmini ~/dev/gcc-test $ cat test1.cpp /* * Author: Olivier Langlois &lt;olivier&lt; at &gt;trillion01.com&gt; * * Purpose: Small test to highlight gcc optimization bug */ #include &lt;stdio.h&gt; #include &lt;string.h&gt; #include "test1.h" /* * Create a B array with the intent of only using the first item. * The 19 other items sole purpose is to create a buffer large enough * to accomodate A array needs. */ #define MAXBLEN 20 int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { B arr[MAXBLEN]; memset(arr,0,sizeof(arr)); initArr(arr); for( int i = 0; i &lt; arr[0].numelem; ++i ) { printf( "item %d\n" " a: %d\n", i, arr[0].item[i].a); } return 0; } From gcc website, this is not a bug: Loops do not terminate This is often caused by out-of-bound array accesses or by signed integer overflow which both result in undefined behavior according to the ISO C standard. For example int SATD (int* diff, int use_hadamard) { int k, satd = 0, m[16], dd, d[16]; ... for (dd=d[k=0]; k&lt;16; dd=d[++k]) satd += (dd &lt; 0 ? -dd : dd); accesses d[16] before the loop is exited with the k&lt;16 check. This causes the compiler to optimize away the exit test because the new value of k must be in the range [0, 15] according to ISO C. GCC starting with version 4.8 has a new option -fno-aggressive-loop-optimizations that may help here. If it does, then this is a clear sign that your code is not conforming to ISO C and it is not a GCC bug. I am surprised that I didn't hit the problem before but I am seriously considering using '-fno-aggressive-loop-optimizations' in my own makepkg.conf. I just want to test others feeling on this discovery to see if it wouldn't be a good idea to make the switch standard in Arch... ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. </pre> LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT 2013-05-13T18:20:05 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48316 <pre>Preliminary question and regarding to this question multiposted: Does anybody still use a RME HDSPe AIO ;)? Hi, since the issues I get for my RME HDSPe AIO didn't became less, but more within the last two years, I cleaned a primary partition to install XP, just to test, if there are issues caused by the mobo, that will appear, even when not using a *nix driver, but the proprietary driver and latest RME firmware. I'm a Linux only user, so sometime ago I installed FreeBSD, just to test, if the RME card isn't borked, since on Linux only 2 ADAT channels do work, fortunately all 8 ADAT channels work, using the FreeBSD driver (no TotalMix). I bought the card, because it was recommended by members of the Linux audio community. Don't get me wrong, the blame is on me, I decided to buy the card and had no time to use it within the first weeks, I only want to point out, that I did research before I bought the card. I wonder, if there are different revisions of the RME board? I know I've written this several times, but somebody might not have read it and it's a while ago since I ask for the situation of this card on other machines. Is there a command that shows the board revision and used firmware version? I run my Arch install without the alsa-firmware package and installed it now. $ uname -r 3.8.11-rt8-1-rt $ pacman -Q alsa-firmware error: package 'alsa-firmware' was not found $ sudo pacman -Syu alsa-firmware warning: ardour: ignoring package upgrade (2.8.16-1 =&gt; 3.1-1) alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2 $ pacman -Q alsa-firmware alsa-firmware 1.0.27-2 Can anybody use a HDSPe AIO on Linux with all available sample rates? Store alsamixer settings? Does hdspeconf run? Use latency &lt;= 10.7 ms? Use any latency even =&gt; 10.7 ms with getting absolutely no xruns? Use all ADAT channels? [root&lt; at &gt;archlinux rocketmouse]# tuning ######################################################################## # service rtirq status PID CLS RTPRIO NI PRI %CPU STAT COMMAND 36 FF 90 - 130 0.0 S irq/8-rtc0 178 FF 85 - 125 0.0 S irq/18-snd_hdsp 179 FF 80 - 120 0.0 S irq/20-snd_ice1 180 FF 79 - 119 0.0 S irq/21-snd_ice1 75 FF 75 - 115 0.0 S irq/16-ohci_hcd 78 FF 75 - 115 0.0 S irq/19-ehci_hcd 86 FF 74 - 114 0.2 S irq/17-ohci_hcd 91 FF 73 - 113 0.0 S irq/17-ohci_hcd 34 FF 70 - 110 0.0 S irq/1-i8042 24 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/9-acpi 51 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/42-radeon 70 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/14-pata_ati 71 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/15-pata_ati 79 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/22-ahci 165 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/7-parport0 460 FF 50 - 90 0.1 S irq/43-enp3s0 3 FF 1 - 41 0.1 S ksoftirqd/0 13 FF 1 - 41 0.1 S ksoftirqd/1 # grep 18: /proc/interrupts 18: 0 4 IO-APIC-fasteoi snd_hdspm Mon May 13 10:31:03 CEST 2013 - 3.8.11-rt8-1-rt - Arch Linux \r (\l) [root&lt; at &gt;archlinux rocketmouse]# tuning-rice ######################################################################## # service rtirq status PID CLS RTPRIO NI PRI %CPU STAT COMMAND 36 FF 90 - 130 0.0 S irq/8-rtc0 178 FF 85 - 125 0.0 S irq/18-snd_hdsp 75 FF 75 - 115 0.0 S irq/16-ohci_hcd 78 FF 75 - 115 0.0 S irq/19-ehci_hcd 86 FF 74 - 114 0.2 S irq/17-ohci_hcd 91 FF 73 - 113 0.0 S irq/17-ohci_hcd 34 FF 70 - 110 0.0 S irq/1-i8042 24 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/9-acpi 51 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/42-radeon 70 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/14-pata_ati 71 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/15-pata_ati 79 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/22-ahci 165 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S irq/7-parport0 460 FF 50 - 90 0.1 S irq/43-enp3s0 3 FF 1 - 41 0.1 S ksoftirqd/0 13 FF 1 - 41 0.1 S ksoftirqd/1 # grep 18: /proc/interrupts 18: 0 4 IO-APIC-fasteoi snd_hdspm Mon May 13 10:31:47 CEST 2013 - 3.8.11-rt8-1-rt - Arch Linux \r (\l) OT: I noticed a thread at LAU about a PCIe card from another vendor, that was recommended to work with Linux, but it doesn't (or didn't?). Are there any PCIe cards available in the price range and audio quality of the HDSPe AIO, that are DEFINITIVELY known as working with Linux? Regards, Ralf </pre> Ralf Mardorf 2013-05-13T08:55:58 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48308 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I was alarmed, I think unnecessarily, when I saw the message that a symlink for systemd was removed on an upgrade. As near as I can tell, the boot sequence still relies on init, which links to the right place. Is there a better way to keep track of changes like this so I'm not surprised? Thanks! - -- David Benfell / benfell&lt; at &gt;parts-unknown.org Please see https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 for GnuPG information (or the attachment you don't understand) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRkHrTAAoJELJhbl/uPb4S6tcQAK/0+I/V2hLh94JZJG6XOgL7 FCgFxTz0SIm54xkiL+SeqI+6Zsf13eBneyf9udYqh9s08bSdHq+e9IgvrLkMVd3W vEu2uGN7tpB2zAvJVOxlplbTkDJzIh2C65KVlA8/4xhiGkhITtr/bdTflSxTG1Of dp3I+MDa1oE4HOQSXTtbnnFF6n1cnq94cGgGt7lFhds4yHaFNVkne1mGnoZ23mhp DJBKpIN+VM/rmFGnWjDHfW/LOE3Ic+UX5ClhcrnW1fT7U0GJuM2rrckYRl3HQ7/2 tRon9UDO7cmYNQG+E4TNH6fXAe3qT2/RLJkukIH4YikG5b51OPyh/MdV+I/j81sZ Wlh/duIVI7fhbRUdQUvhFPQ6VkTmnfzKHHwVXV0RoKdMCGn2mlifU3/ufBf56Lin D9adcI50RNN+uSTRclVSSZTP0RfgFulzCozZBYoAuNgbbhnPWTSFHNMygXQPieUc rbmg0/To9GCzRQ2IbCQiWBmEV5i+Pn7dFCphfApnk2/1NzpSFv1ieovRz0K0PgAd lYvtLkGT1JdDQAkoMTHnGPniF5oDXssQLoR+Zc+GYKVC49FmDttwItYmbQK4zuoN XUokpqOCy8WsllsZgq1yyjktkmymBYkU7Xa5s4NwzKLo/cdGGndqx5RgyQ/DtZDy dKTGByEE+J3UXG6JLxKm =QoPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </pre> David Benfell 2013-05-13T05:32:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48306 <pre>The blank screen I first reported in January with Linux-3.7.3-1-i686 seems to have been cured by the latest update to Linux-3.9.2-1-i686 (and/or other updates that have happened at the same time). (Using the nouveau graphics driver). But the desktop and mouse settings in XFCe4 aren't all working. </pre> Whiskers 2013-05-12T22:53:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48302 <pre>Hey all, I'm pretty sure this is a fairly basic question, but i am a bit confused on systemd targets. It has been a while since i converted my systems to systemd and most of it seems to be working ok. Now i am looking for a way to automatically save my VM's to disk in case i forget to shutdown/save one before shutting down the host. After some searching, i stumbled upon this in man systemd-halt.service: " Immediately before executing the actual system halt/poweroff/reboot/kexec systemd-shutdown will run all executables in /usr/lib/systemd/system-shutdown/ and pass one arguments to them: either "halt", "poweroff", "reboot" or "kexec", depending on the chosen action. All executables in this directory are executed in parallel, and execution of the action is not continued before all executables finished. " So at least one way would be place a script that calls "/etc/rc.d/libvirtd-guests stop" (or equivalent, it's not hard to replace) in /etc/systemd/system-shutdown/ . My main question is if this would be a "correct" way or that i could better write some custom unit file to do this? The tricky part is that i am /not/ interested in an automatic resume of previously running guests, only saving them in case i forgot. I'd be very interested in hearing opinions. mvg, Guus </pre> Guus Snijders 2013-05-08T21:52:47 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48301 <pre>Hello, While upgrading kdelibs-4.10.2-4 x86_64, I am getting errors such as these.. kdelibs: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.auth.conf exists in filesystem kdelibs: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu exists in filesystem kdelibs: /usr/bin/checkXML exists in filesystem kdelibs: /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4 exists in filesystem kdelibs: /usr/bin/kconfig_compiler exists in filesystem kdelibs: /usr/bin/kcookiejar4 exists in filesystem kdelibs: /usr/bin/kde4-config exists in filesystem kdelibs: /usr/bin/kded4 exists in filesystem There are total 3503 such errors, all for kdelibs only. As of now pacman reports that none of them are owned by any packages but thats a suspicious claim since it includes files like /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4 and /usr/bin/kcookiejar4. Initially I thought it was a package sync error and any updated packages will be pushed soon. But after 4 days the situation persists. Has anybody else seen this? Should I just use --force? TIA.. Reference - generate file # pacman -Syu --noconfirm &gt; pacman.upgrade.log 2&gt;&amp;1 - check error # grep -c exists pacman.upgrade.log 3503 - check conflicting packages # grep exists pacman.upgrade.log |grep -v kdelibs - check package ownership for file in $(grep exists pacman.upgrade.log|cut -f2 -d' ');do pacman -Qo $file;done 2&gt;&amp;1|grep -vi "No package owns" </pre> Shridhar Daithankar 2013-05-09T03:12:41 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48299 <pre>Hi everyone Per discussion in 'pacman-dev' maillist [1] I implemented a tool that tries to find Arch out-of-date packages. The tool scans PKGBUILD files is /var/abs directory, extracts download url and then tries to probe download urls for the next version. Next versions look like X.Y.Z+1 X.Y+1.0 X+1.0.0 If any of the new versions presents on the download server it reports to user as 'new version available'. Here is the tool sources https://github.com/anatol/pkgoutofdate To make its usage even more pleasant I added it to AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pkgoutofdate-git/ To use it please install pkgoutofdate-git package: $ yaourt -S pkgoutofdate-git Then update abs database and run tool itself: $ sudo abs &amp;&amp; pkgoutofdate That's it. The result looks like ....... closure-linter: new version found - 2.3.8 =&gt; 2.3.9 perl-data-dump: new version found - 1.21 =&gt; 1.22 wgetpaste: new version found - 2.20 =&gt; 2.21 fillets-ng-data: new version found - 1.0.0 =&gt; 1.0.1 tablelist: new version found - 5.5 =&gt; 5.6 ...... There are some fals positive and negative results though, mostly because download servers return different sort of weird responses. I still work on work-arounds for all these cases. Hope you find this tool useful and it will help to make Arch software even more bleeding edge. [1] https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacman-dev/2013-March/thread.html#16850 </pre> Anatol Pomozov 2013-05-11T18:26:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48298 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, This is on an Asus notebook, a 64-bit system. I have attached an external keyboard, mouse, and a monitor. Disconnecting the monitor seems to make no difference. I think I'm not looking at a problem with Xorg. Here's the log, from journalctl -f during a failure: May 08 22:41:04 n4rky sudo[1617]: benfell : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/benfell ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/systemctl start gdm May 08 22:41:04 n4rky sudo[1617]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for user root by benfell(uid=0) May 08 22:41:04 n4rky systemd[1]: Starting GNOME Display Manager... May 08 22:41:04 n4rky systemd[1]: Started GNOME Display Manager. May 08 22:41:04 n4rky sudo[1617]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for user root n4rky% May 08 22:41:04 n4rky dbus-daemon[409]: dbus[409]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.67" (uid=0 pid=1620 comm="/usr/sbin/gdm ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.P...lay-id /org/gn") May 08 22:41:04 n4rky dbus[409]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.67" (uid=0 pid=1620 comm="/usr/sbin/gdm ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member...play-id /org/gn") May 08 22:41:04 n4rky gdm[1620]: Child process 1627 was already dead. May 08 22:41:04 n4rky gdm[1620]: GLib-GObject: g_object_ref: assertion `object-&gt;ref_count &gt; 0' failed May 08 22:41:04 n4rky gdm[1620]: GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion `object-&gt;ref_count &gt; 0' failed May 08 22:41:04 n4rky gdm[1620]: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.047383 seconds May 08 22:41:04 n4rky gdm[1620]: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.051042 seconds May 08 22:41:04 n4rky dbus-daemon[409]: dbus[409]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.67" (uid=0 pid=1620 comm="/usr/sbin/gdm ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.P...lay-id /org/gn") May 08 22:41:04 n4rky dbus[409]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.67" (uid=0 pid=1620 comm="/usr/sbin/gdm ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member...play-id /org/gn") May 08 22:41:07 n4rky gdm[1620]: Failed to give slave programs access to the display. Trying to proceed. May 08 22:41:07 n4rky systemd-logind[408]: New session c3 of user gdm. May 08 22:41:07 n4rky systemd-logind[408]: Linked /tmp/.X11-unix/X1 to /run/user/120/X11-display. May 08 22:41:07 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: gnome-session[1644]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary May 08 22:41:07 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: gnome-session[1644]: WARNING: could not read /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop May 08 22:41:07 n4rky gnome-session[1644]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary May 08 22:41:07 n4rky gnome-session[1644]: WARNING: could not read /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop May 08 22:41:07 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: (gnome-settings-daemon:1664): GnomeDesktop-CRITICAL **: gnome_rr_output_info_get_geometry: assertion `GNOME_IS_RR_OUTPUT_INFO (self)' failed May 08 22:41:07 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: (gnome-settings-daemon:1664): GnomeDesktop-CRITICAL **: gnome_rr_output_info_get_geometry: assertion `GNOME_IS_RR_OUTPUT_INFO (self)' failed May 08 22:41:08 n4rky gnome-session[1644]: Entering running state May 08 22:41:08 n4rky colord[428]: Device added: xrandr-AU Optronics May 08 22:41:08 n4rky colord[428]: Device added: xrandr-Acer Technologies-Acer S201HL-LNY080034201 May 08 22:41:09 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: (gnome-settings-daemon:1664): Gvc-WARNING **: Failed to connect context: OK May 08 22:41:09 n4rky dbus-daemon[409]: dbus[409]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.locale1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.locale1.service' May 08 22:41:09 n4rky dbus[409]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.locale1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.locale1.service' May 08 22:41:09 n4rky systemd[1]: Starting Locale Service... May 08 22:41:09 n4rky dbus-daemon[409]: dbus[409]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.locale1' May 08 22:41:09 n4rky dbus[409]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.locale1' May 08 22:41:09 n4rky systemd[1]: Started Locale Service. May 08 22:41:09 n4rky colord[428]: Automatic metadata add icc-07603ee846b6cd69edcf95ebb436c168 to xrandr-Acer Technologies-Acer S201HL-LNY080034201 May 08 22:41:09 n4rky colord[428]: Profile added: icc-07603ee846b6cd69edcf95ebb436c168 May 08 22:41:09 n4rky colord[428]: Automatic metadata add icc-a23c742b0721880c9ee582a755391057 to xrandr-AU Optronics May 08 22:41:09 n4rky colord[428]: Profile added: icc-a23c742b0721880c9ee582a755391057 May 08 22:41:09 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: (gnome-shell:1671): Gvc-WARNING **: Failed to connect context: OK May 08 22:41:10 n4rky polkitd[432]: Registered Authentication Agent for unix-session:c3 (system bus name :1.77 [gnome-shell --mode=gdm], object path /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_US.UTF-8) May 08 22:41:10 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: JS LOG: GNOME Shell started at Wed May 08 2013 22:41:10 GMT-0700 (PDT) May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: JS ERROR: !!! Exception in callback for signal: release May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: JS ERROR: !!! message = '"can't convert this._frame to an integer"' May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: JS ERROR: !!! fileName = '"/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js"' May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: JS ERROR: !!! lineNumber = '121' May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: JS ERROR: !!! stack = '"Animation&lt;._showFrame&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js:121 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Animation&lt;.play&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js:97 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: LoginDialog&lt;._setWorking&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/loginDialog.js:874 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: LoginDialog&lt;._askQuestion/tasks&lt;&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/loginDialog.js:909 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Task&lt;.run&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:38 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Batch&lt;.runTask&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:120 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: ConsecutiveBatch&lt;.process&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:186 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Batch&lt;.nextTask&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:137 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: ConsecutiveBatch&lt;.process/signalId&lt;&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:194 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: _emit&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/signals.js:124 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Hold&lt;.release&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:78 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Hold&lt;.acquireUntilAfter/signalId&lt;&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:70 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: _emit&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/signals.js:124 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: Hold&lt;.release&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/batch.js:78 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: wrapper&lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:213 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: &lt; at &gt;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/loginDialog.js:801 May 08 22:41:21 n4rky /usr/bin/dbus-launch[1644]: "' R May 08 22:42:02 n4rky dbus-daemon[409]: dbus[409]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.ModemManager1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service' May 08 22:42:02 n4rky dbus[409]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.ModemManager1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service' May 08 22:42:02 n4rky dbus[409]: [system] Activation via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service': Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service failed to load: No such file or...ice' for details. May 08 22:42:02 n4rky NetworkManager[405]: &lt;warn&gt; error poking ModemManager: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.LoadFailed: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service failed to load: No such file or d...ce' for details. May 08 22:42:02 n4rky dbus-daemon[409]: dbus[409]: [system] Activation via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service': Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service failed to load...ce' for details. gdm starts, I am able to select my user and enter a password. Then it seems to hang. This is a new behavior since rebooting this afternoon and I honestly don't know which of many upgrades I did prior to rebooting might be the cause. I *can* log in by doing CTRL-ALT-F2 and logging in there. I *can* run startxfce4 and get a graphical environment. (I don't know, these days, how to do the analog with cinnamon or gnome.) Does the log snippet above help at all? Thanks! - -- David Benfell / benfell&lt; at &gt;parts-unknown.org Please see https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 for GnuPG information (or the attachment you don't understand) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRizkYAAoJELJhbl/uPb4SY18P/0rq0cxzObQvuaeFMXWThsJr QNcLY4J4luqMbWcHvEJvnEc24z/7BVnysU8OQ7KgceXhXslfVidQNlmRgXRkBJbS zWNL7p8cPBfuvascCluz2z1Cm5ykhfLz5MMP3unrKxbwR08gZxBim42jgCxOe3jg YGeYr37KWqmzciu54PKh9wWuE0ji5JmsXnq3rXQ8AQpKOKAo5vyZsUjctOKqNDOS 3tVv7rB/RlOoOMZz6lnDIwS8yldk8Evarwi0dGnS8dq1EUrbkGfTHaMxXub1ZESn 4+SrFngDfU/kGih6yxysOqXy4+9rjZxBXV+qFZkQQ/xrEkt7BPsPgLgWyLztJtG3 4Z0P4WFZkRGrx6BK8fbPylawwWQqvN1YvejC799Gz+kAEHn+UUIa4/0jQ2sJnmJO MUbUj94KEVw+ncvjwkX4JTkeq35Z2v0KFFk1Frcri/S0gDN+X8K4Tgqi4V3Mk1eK zuroDZ/EOy75DMd16Gho31eKoCdb8SXRvY+E8I3/30lLEGnKNaNUy2+A+XFIiw1p DuApPA4+5UX3fl/CEH5J9NATImceIdDtjP6tN1ZQoOUqzU2bMPladAKz/Oq7wITe bil71MKU4grv2nJwOxRrcYpdvv895ZtTyhxLRaQLeWyq9X7/hIqm5ViYb2mInw9d kHjfoqov9G9PQxaAtcdK =WuY6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </pre> David Benfell 2013-05-09T05:50:16 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48290 <pre>Hi &lt; at &gt;all I tried to boot archlinux 2013.04.01 from CD. On my laptop all seems ok, but on a thin client an error occurs: "Failed to mount real root device" This is the output: :: Device ,/dev/disk/by-label/ARCH_201304' mounted successfully :: Mounting /run/archiso/cowspace (tmpfs) filesystem, size=75%... :: running late hook [archiso_pxe_common] :: running cleanup hook [archiso_shutdown] :: running cleanup hook [udev] ERROR: Failed to mount real root device Bailing out, . What happens? Remember, please, it is the original ISO, not an installed system! Other systems boot without errors from this CD. Some hardware information: CPU AMD GeodeT LX 800 GPU Integrated in the CPU RAM 512MB Thank you for any tips Mathias </pre> Bytecounter 2013-05-07T14:27:15 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48283 <pre>Hi, With gcc 4.8.0-4 I can no longer build core/links package from ABS, with SSL support. The issue is _not_related to makepkg (as I originally thought), even plain ./configure fails if I export CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, regardless of the content of {C,CXX,LD}FLAGS. Here is the error: -------------------- $ ./configure --with-ssl [ ... ] checking for openssl... yes checking OPENSSL_CFLAGS... checking OPENSSL_LIBS... -lssl -lcrypto checking for OpenSSL... no checking for OpenSSL... no configure: error: OpenSSL not found $ cat config.log [ ... ] configure:8095: checking for openssl configure:8102: checking OPENSSL_CFLAGS configure:8107: checking OPENSSL_LIBS configure:8139: checking for OpenSSL configure:8150: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 conftest.c -lssl -lcrypto -lm 1&gt;&amp;5 In file included from configure:8143:0: confdefs.h:8:16: error: duplicate 'unsigned' #define size_t unsigned ^ configure: failed program was: #line 8143 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" #include &lt;openssl/ssl.h&gt; int main() { SSLeay_add_ssl_algorithms() ; return 0; } -------------------- With gcc 4.7.2 all builds fine with Arch's default makepkg.conf, i.e. no "duplicate unsigned error". Also, unsetting CPPFLAGS allows a successfull build. Since core/links has been successfully rebuilt, what was the gcc version? ANd can anyone else confirm the above issue? TIA, L. </pre> Leonid Isaev 2013-05-06T19:45:31 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/48280 <pre>Hello, I know some people had this problem before but no solution seems to help me. I was playing Kerbal Space Program, the game filled up my RAM, my computer was no longer responding (it happens to me a few times a month if I forgot to close firefox before playing for example). I had to hard shutdown, then on the boot I get this kernel panic. (Here is a screenshot: http://dettorer.net/kernel_panic.jpg) The init= parameter given by grub is correct: /usr/lib/systemd/systemd and I double checked the root= parameter, it is by uuid but I also tried by device name (/dev/sda7) and by label. I use three partitions: sda5: /boot (sda6: swap) sda7: / sda8: /home `fdisk -l /dev/sda` http://paste.awesom.eu/ux8 `ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid` http://paste.awesom.eu/85U Using the output of a new `grub-mkconfig` didn't fix it either. Here is my grub.cfg: http://paste.awesom.eu/aDR I tried running `mkinitcpio -v -p linux` (I use the 3.8 kernel from core but also tried the 3.9 from testing, same result) Here is my mkinitcpio.conf: http://paste.awesom.eu/yVH and the output of `mkinitcpio -v -p linux` http://paste.awesom.eu/6f3 I checked the filesystems of my / and /boot partitions with badblocks and fsck, no problem from here. (I also tried reformating my swap with mkswap as the second line of kernel panic mention swapper even though I didn't understand that line, I just gave it a try). I don't know what to do now, my guess is that the initramfs can't mount the root partition but the root= parameter is correct and everything mount well under a liveCD (this is from where I try to fix it). PS: It's my first post on arch-general, sorry if my question is off-topic or poorly presented. </pre> Paul Hervot 2013-05-06T13:41:20 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.linux.arch.general