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    <title>patch adding IUTF8 support to OpenSSH</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.secsh/6869</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Attached is a(n absolutely trivial) patch that adds the IUTF8 terminal
mode (with code 42) to OpenSSH.  Prebuilt Debian packages for those
architectures I was able to build for, for testing and stable
distributions, are available in &amp;lt;URL:
ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/misc/openssh-with-iutf8/
 &amp;gt;.

It works for me (transmits the IUTF8 mode when both the server and
client are patched, and, of course, does not break when only one of
them is).  I would love to see some independent confirmation, though.

I understand that the Debian maintainer's position is that this patch
will not be applied until the value is standardized.  So this patch is
submitted for testing purposes.

I have written a separate email to the authors of RFC 4250 to ask for
their guidance on how to get things moving on the standardization
front, although I fear a chickend-and-egg problem.  I am willing to
try writing an Internet draft if nobody else will, but without some
weight to back it up I'm afraid it won't go far.

Happy hacking,

&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
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    <dc:date>2013-03-29T17:05:03</dc:date>
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    <title>first_kex_packet_follows improvement</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.secsh/6868</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;I'm working on improving my ssh client's connection setup
time, round trips etc.  The current behaviour of
first_kex_packet_follows isn't useful where implementations
have differing sets of kex or host key methods. I'm
proposing a small modification allowing
first_kex_packet_follows to be used between any
implementations. 

Currently for first_kex_packet_follows to be utilised the first
listed algorithm must be the same on both sides. For example
OpenSSH specifies ssh-rsa-cert-v01&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;openssh.com as its first
host key algorithm - first_kex_packet_follows can't work
unless the other side also implements that. I've found a
couple of old list mails that are relevant [1][2].


Section 7 of rfc4253 has:

"""The guess is considered wrong if:
o the kex algorithm and/or the host key algorithm is guessed wrong
(server and client have different preferred algorithm), 
or ..."""

The modified behaviour would be:

"""The guess is considered wrong if:
o the preferred (first listed) kex algorithm and/or the
preferred host key algorithm of a side indicating
first_kex_packet_follows does not match the algorithm
negotiated as in Section 7.1,
or ..."""

Implementations indicate their use of the new behaviour by
adding "kexguess2&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;matt.ucc.asn.au" to the kex algorithm list
after all usable kex algorithms. The modified
first_kex_packet_follows behaviour MUST be used if both
sides list that algorithm, otherwise the existing RFC4253
behaviour MUST be used. If the kexguess2&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;matt.ucc.asn.au
algorithm is negotiated as per section 7.1 both sides MUST
exit. ["kexguess2" would be the name if standardised]


Thoughts and comments? The kexguess2 flag is a bit ugly but
is relatively unobtrusive, I can't see a better way.

Cheers,
Matt
Dropbear SSH developer


[1] http://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2005-June/023039.html
[2] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.secsh/2707/focus=2754

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    <dc:creator>Matt Johnston</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-03-29T15:34:46</dc:date>
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    <title>adding IUTF8 to encoded terminal modes in SSH Protocol Assigned Numbers</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.secsh/6865</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi,

I am writing to you since you are the authors of RFC 4250 "The Secure
Shell (SSH) Protocol Assigned Numbers", so I suppose you are a good
starting point towards seeking IETF consensus on adding a terminal
mode assigned in this protocol.  If not, could you please redirect me
to more appropriate recipients?

The problem is this: many Unix terminal drivers have historically been
broken on UTF-8 (or indeed, any multibyte) encoding because, for
example, the "backspace" key will remove only one byte from the buffer
whereas the terminal will remove one character.  To solve this, Linux
added an "iutf8" terminal input mode, which lets the kernel terminal
driver know that characters should be assumed to have their UTF-8
width (note that this concerns the terminal mode and is independent
from any locale setting).  Unfortunately, for this to have an effect
through SSH, it is necessary for the SSH client and server to
communicate on this, hence, to obtain an number assigned to do so.

(There are, of course, various approaches to handling UTF-8 terminals,
including full locale passing, but since the SSH terminal modes have
historically reflected the Unix terminal driver flags faithfully, and
since this approach does not preclude doing something better through
other mechanisms, it is not necessary to have an all-encompassing
solution to go forward.)

This is why I'd like to try to get things moving towards creating a
consensus around the assignment (ultimately to be added to section
4.5.2 of the RFC):

         42    IUTF8       Assume input characters are UTF-8 encoded.

matching the "iutf8" stty setting under Linux.

Now I realize, of course, that one doesn't just add a number to the
list.  But there seems to be a bootstrap problem: SSH implementors
will not implement the feature unless it is normalized (see &amp;lt;URL:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337041
 &amp;gt;), and the feature cannot be normalized until there is consensus on
its implementation.  How does one break this deadlock?

Is there some way to request at least a temporary, or provisional,
reservation, so that SSH implementations can be convinced to use this
number, which might be normalized later?

Best regards,

&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>David Madore</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-03-29T12:57:34</dc:date>
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    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.secsh/6858</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;We will be having a side meeting on SSH Key Management Best Practice at the IETF on Monday, 13:00 to 14:00.  The assigned room is Boca 8.  Welcome!

I will present draft-ylonen-sshkeybcp-00 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ylonen-sshkeybcp-00) and we should have plenty of time for discussion.  The draft illustrates threats due to poorly managed SSH user keys, provides a process for getting from an unmanaged environment into a managed environment, and presents recommendations for ongoing management and continuous monitoring.  It also discusses the residual risks if any of the remediation steps are not taken.  The draft focuses on managing large environments (100 - 100000+ servers) and is targeted at security architects, Unix/Linux operations managers, policy makers, and auditors.  It also briefly addresses other technologies for automated access, as the several of the threats also apply to them.

As background, the SSH protocol is widely used for managing Unix/Linux servers, telecommunications networks, routers, and many embedded systems.  It is also widely used for file transfers (particularly with the SFTP protocol), and many systems management, security, and audit tools use it to access managed systems.  Many organizations have thousands of custom scripts using SSH to perform administrative tasks and to automatically transfer data between applications.  A lot of these uses are fully automated and run without an interactive user; keys (without passphrases) are usually used for authentication in those cases.

Many large organizations have accumulated hundreds of thousands, in some cases millions, of authorized SSH user keys on their servers over the years.  These keys have never been changed. Administrators don't know what each key is used for and cannot remove these keys because they don't know what applications would break if they remove a key.  System administrators can use key-based access to circumvent privileged access management systems, creating essentially permanent backdoors to production servers.  SSH user keys are already collected and used by various attack tools, and can help malware spread throughout an organization's server infrastructure in minutes.  The problem is largely unrecognized and is not understood by compliance auditors and IT risk managers.

The problem is not about managing keys but about managing access.  SSH user keys are generally strong enough.  The problem is that organizations do not know who can access what and many do not control who can add new authorized keys, do not audit key-based access to servers, and do not control what can be done with each key.  Generally, organizations do not properly terminate access when an employee leaves or changes roles.  Many organizations permit automated access from low-security hosts (e.g., development machines) to critical production systems.

The draft documents the current best practice of managing SSH user keys.  It is not a protocol document, but rather presents risks and recommendations for proper process and policy.

Feedback on the draft is very welcome regardless of whether you will be able to attend the meeting.  Please send comments directly to me.  We want the draft to make a reasonable compromise between security and implementability in an organization.  The plan is to eventually publish a future version of the document as a Best Current Practice.

Best regards,

Tatu Ylonen


&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Tatu Ylonen</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-03-07T02:34:02</dc:date>
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    <title>SFTP: changing the owner of a file / directory without changing the group</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.secsh/6853</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;In SFTPv4+ there's an SSH_FILEXFER_ATTR_OWNERGROUP attribute flag that
takes in strings. In SFTPv3 and earlier there's a
SSH_FILEXFER_ATTR_UIDGID attribute flag that pretty much does the same
thing but takes in integers.

My question is...  why are the owner and group being set at the same
time? On Linux it's not chowngrp - it's chown and chgrp as separate
commands. Why aren't they separate values in SFTP?

I guess if all one wanted to do was set the owner one could do
SSH_FXP_STAT to get the the group and then update the owner to the new
owner and update the group to be the same group that it was before but
that seems like it ought not be necessary - that if SFTP were still
being developed as a protocol that that's an area that could benefit
from improvement?

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    <dc:date>2013-02-16T17:35:43</dc:date>
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