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    <title>Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3524</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science


We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on  
the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP 
( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia 
from University of Georgia, USA.


We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper 
with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous 
fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: 

(1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa
(2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic
(3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance
(4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model 
(5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer
(6). Laptop is an example for a super computer
(7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware


Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning.  However, it 
was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without 
any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a 
payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the 
fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman 
of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from 
WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. 


We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts 
to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP.  DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped 
indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See 
http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the 
conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of
http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers 
about WORLDCOMP. 


The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific
to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than 
having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever!


Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, 
using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing 
out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published 
in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) 
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using 
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to 
threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). 
That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published 
at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. 


Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has 
refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image 
being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 
is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. 


The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee 
members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact 
details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! 

Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for 
all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal 
the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many 
papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at 
the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 


Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop 
this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. 


We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities 
http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com   Search Google using the 
keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.

_______________________________________________
Int-area mailing list
Int-area&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>johnsonhammond2&lt; at &gt;hushmail.com</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-04-27T16:50:12</dc:date>
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    <title>I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-09.txt</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3517</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

Title           : Analysis of Solution Candidates to Reveal a Host Identifier (HOST_ID) in Shared Address Deployments
Author(s)       : Mohamed Boucadair
                          Joe Touch
                          Pierre Levis
                          Reinaldo Penno
Filename        : draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-09.txt
Pages           : 23
Date            : 2013-04-15

Abstract:
   This document is a collection of solutions to reveal a host
   identifier (denoted as HOST_ID) when a Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) or
   application proxies are involved in the path.  This host identifier
   could be used by a remote server to sort out the packets by sending
   host.  The host identifier must be unique to each host under the same
   shared IP address.

   This document analyzes a set of solution candidates to reveal a host
   identifier; no recommendation is sketched in the document.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-09

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-09


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>internet-drafts&lt; at &gt;ietf.org</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-04-16T05:42:56</dc:date>
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    <title>I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-08.txt</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3515</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

Title           : Analysis of Solution Candidates to Reveal a Host Identifier (HOST_IDENT) in Shared Address Deployments
Author(s)       : Mohamed Boucadair
                          Joe Touch
                          Pierre Levis
                          Reinaldo Penno
Filename        : draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-08.txt
Pages           : 23
Date            : 2013-04-11

Abstract:
   This document is a collection of solutions to reveal a host
   identifier (denoted as HOST_IDENT) when a Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) or
   application proxies are involved in the path.  This host identifier
   could be used by a remote server to sort out the packets by sending
   host.  The host identifier must be unique to each host under the same
   shared IP address.

   This document analyzes a set of solution candidates to reveal a host
   identifier; no recommendation is sketched in the document.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-08

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-08


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>internet-drafts&lt; at &gt;ietf.org</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-04-11T14:11:02</dc:date>
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    <title>I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-07.txt</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3512</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

Title           : Analysis of Solution Candidates to Reveal a Host Identifier (HOST_ID) in Shared Address Deployments
Author(s)       : Mohamed Boucadair
                          Joe Touch
                          Pierre Levis
                          Reinaldo Penno
Filename        : draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-07.txt
Pages           : 22
Date            : 2013-04-10

Abstract:
   This document is a collection of solutions to reveal a host
   identifier (denoted as HOST_ID) when a Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) or
   application proxies are involved in the path.  This host identifier
   could be used by a remote server to sort out the packets by sending
   host.  The host identifier must be unique to each host under the same
   shared IP address.

   This document analyzes a set of solution candidates to reveal a host
   identifier; no recommendation is sketched in the document.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-07

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-07


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>internet-drafts&lt; at &gt;ietf.org</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-04-10T08:58:06</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3508">
    <title>IETF86 minutes available</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3508</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi all,
  The draft minutes from the Orlando intarea meeting are now
available at

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/minutes/minutes-86-intarea

Please review these minutes and send us changes/additions by April 27,
2013. We would like to thank Stuart Cheshire for taking the minutes.

Regards
Suresh &amp;amp; Julien
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Suresh Krishnan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-03-26T04:39:28</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3501">
    <title>INT ADs' office hours</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3501</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;All,
      Since the concept was well-received in Atlanta, we will be 
repeating the AD office hours in Orlando.  We will be available on 
Monday from 1300 to 1500 in the yet-to-be-identified IESG breakout room. 
  Feel free to stop by and ask questions or chat about any 
concerns/ideas you have about an INT WG or the area as a whole.

Regards,
Brian, Ralph, &amp;amp; Ted
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Brian Haberman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-28T15:34:44</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3500">
    <title>Updated draft-nachum-sarp to address comments regarding to IPv6 ND applicability</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3500</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Thanks to many people's response and comments to draft-nachum-sarp-03. 
I sent an email clarifying some issues of this draft back in early Jan. 
Now we have updated the draft to include the clarification. 

In a nutshell:


People are under the impression that the draft is to scale the flooding of ND messages on all links. MLD was brought up to say that ND messages are actually suppressed from flooding to links which don't have the target hosts. But that is the not the main intent of this draft. 


The real impact of ARP/ND in DC with massive number of hosts (or VMs) is on the L2/L3 boundary router (or Default GW). When hosts in subnet A needs to send data frames to Subnet B, the router has to 1) respond the ARP/ND requests from hosts in Subnet-A and 2) resolve target MAC for hosts in subnet-B. 

The second step is not only CPU intensive but also buffer intensive. There are some practices to alleviate the pain of Step 1) for IPv4, but not for IPv6 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dunbar-armd-arp-nd-scaling-practices/).

In order to protect routers CPU being overburdened by target resolution requests,  some routers has to rate limit the Target MAC resolution requests to CPU (Glean Throttling rate in this manual). http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/datacenter/sw/5_x/nx-os/unicast/configuration/guide/l3_ip.pdf , searching for "Glean Throttling". 

When the Glean Throttling rate is exceeded, the incoming data frames are dropped. 

In traditional Data Center, it is less of an issue because the number of hosts attached to one L2/L3 boundary router is limited by physical ports of switches/routers. When Servers are virtualized to support 30 plus VMs, the number of hosts under one router can grow 30 plus times. 

The solution proposed in this draft can eliminate (or reduce the likelihood of) inter-subnet data frames being dropped.  

In addition, the traditional DC has each subnet nicely placed in limited number of server racks, i.e. switches under router only need to deal with MAC addresses of those limited subnets. With subnets being spread across many server racks, the switches are exposed to VLAN/MAC of many subnets, greatly increasing the FDB. 

This draft also addresses the FDB entries explosion issue.


We are looking forward to your comments and feedback to this update. 

Thank you very much. 

Linda 

-----Original Message-----
From: internet-drafts&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org] 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:01 AM
To: talmi&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;marvell.com
Cc: Linda Dunbar; yilan&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;marvell.com; youval.nachum&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;gmail.com
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nachum-sarp-04.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-nachum-sarp-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tal Mizrahi and posted to the
IETF repository.

Filename: draft-nachum-sarp
Revision: 04
Title: Scaling the Address Resolution Protocol for Large Data Centers (SARP)
Creation date: 2013-02-24
Group: Individual Submission
Number of pages: 19
URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nachum-sarp-04.txt
Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nachum-sarp
Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nachum-sarp-04
Diff:            http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nachum-sarp-04

Abstract:
   This  document  provides  a  recommended  architecture  and  network
   operation  named  SARP.  SARP  is  based  on  fast  proxies  that
   significantly  reduce  broadcast  domains  and  ARP/ND  broadcast
   transmissions. SARP supports smooth and fast virtual machine (VM)
   mobility without any modification to the VM, while keeping the
   connection up and running efficiently.  SARP is targeted for massive
   scaling data centers with a significant number of VMs using ARP and
   ND protocols.

                                                                                  


The IETF Secretariat
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Linda Dunbar</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-25T20:13:24</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3498">
    <title>Last Call:&lt;draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05.txt&gt; (AnalysisofSolution Candidates to Reveal a Host Identifier (HOST_ID)inShared Address Deployments) to Informational RFC</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3498</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
The IESG has received a request from the Internet Area Working Group WG
(intarea) to consider the following document:
- 'Analysis of Solution Candidates to Reveal a Host Identifier (HOST_ID)
   in Shared Address Deployments'
  &amp;lt;draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05.txt&amp;gt; as Informational RFC

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org mailing lists by 2013-03-08. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


   This document is a collection of solutions to reveal a host
   identifier (denoted as HOST_ID) when a Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) or
   application proxies are involved in the path.  This host identifier
   is used by a remote server to sort out the packets by sending host.
   The host identifier must be unique to each host under the same shared
   IP address.

   This document analyzes a set of solution candidates to reveal a host
   identifier; no recommendation is sketched in the document.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>The IESG</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-22T19:06:42</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3495">
    <title>(no subject)</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3495</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;http://www.natrocheminternational.com/namzlfe/5qy5pw4nt2tlgd.8a0sx1lsyzh42qy0yzr2cu_______________________________________________
Int-area mailing list
Int-area&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Derick Winkworth</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-16T17:12:28</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3489">
    <title>Call for agenda items at IETF86</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3489</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi all,
   The intarea WG will be meeting at the Orlando IETF (we have been
allocated a 2 hour 20 min slot) and we are in the process of setting the
agenda. Please send us your request for slots detailing

* Name of the draft
* Short description of why you think the item needs to be discussed in
the intarea meeting
* Whether the draft has already been presented or will be presented in
some other wg/bof.

Thanks
Suresh and Julien
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Suresh Krishnan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-13T21:30:51</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3475">
    <title>draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3475</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;We posted this as a new WG draft a few weeks ago:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing/

All comments to date have been incorporated, so are there any further
issues or suggestions?

Regards
   Brian
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Brian E Carpenter</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-12T11:08:40</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3471">
    <title>AD evaluation: draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3471</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;All,
      I have completed my AD evaluation for the above draft and have 
some feedback for the group.  I will focus on the substantive comments 
for the time being since some of them may result in re-written text in 
places.  I will follow up with the document authors on editorial nits 
and such at a later time.

1. It is obvious from the way certain sections of text are written that 
the original intent was to make a recommendation on which of the 
described approaches should be used to disambiguate between multiple 
hosts behind a NAT/CGN.  Given that the document is now simply a 
characterization of those mechanisms, I would suggest spending some time 
cleaning up the Abstract, Section 1.1, and Section 2 so that they focus 
on the task of describing the mechanisms, rather than mentioning 
abstract requirements for those mechanisms. There are concrete 
suggestions a little later in this note.

2. The mechanisms described in this draft fall into two broad 
categories, deployed and proposed. Those in the former category can be 
characterized based on actual usage scenarios, which would benefit the 
table shown in Figure 3. The latter should be described in terms of what 
they are proposed to do, but cannot be assessed against the same metrics 
as the other groups.

3. The "Requirements Language" section should be removed.  As an 
Informational document describing mechanisms, there is no need to 
leverage 2119 keywords.

4. It would be useful if the third paragraph of Section 1.1 was expanded 
to discuss the risks in more detail.  In fact, it may be clearer to 
understand this draft if the problem statement came before the context 
(Section 2).

5. Section 2

* The Observation text should provide some brief examples of how and why 
special treatment is needed/provided.  Is it sufficient to identify the 
sending host? application? user? It should also note that there may be 
issues with the fact that some IP addresses will be shared and others 
may not.  How does that impact the performance of these mechanisms?

* I would like some text in the Objective text to explain why such 
sorting is needed.  This relates back to the Context description in 
Section 1.1.

* I don't think there needs to be a description of a Requirement in this 
document any more, so that text can be removed.

6. Section 3.1 should be removed.  This is simply an analysis of the 
mechanisms, so there is no new work which needs requirements defined at 
this point.

7. In Section 4.1.2, it would be good to describe any issues that the 
approach has with the original use of the Identification field for 
fragmentation reassembly.  If a middlebox changes the ID field, weird 
things can/will happen if those packets are fragmented somewhere.

8. I don't see a need for a forward reference in Section 4.2.2. I would 
suggest simply stating that the IP Option approach will support any/all 
transport protocols.

9. In Section 4.3.2...

* I would like to see some description of what risk(s) may arise with a 
TCP option, even though they are apparently low probability.

* Additionally, the text contains "0,103%", which I assume should be 
"0.103%" (i.e., 1/10th of 1%).

*The third bullet mentions that having several NATs in the path may 
cause issues for a TCP option.  Isn't this true for other approaches 
discussed in the document?  These should be identified as well.

10. In Section 4.5.1, I would suggest adding some text that describes 
how to interpret Figure 2.

11. Is Section 4.6 theoretical or is there a specific reference that can 
be added for this technique?

12. Section 4.7.2 should clearly state that HIP is an ideal solution for 
this identification problem, even though the document states there is a 
high cost for deployment. I would also like to see some description of 
why HIP does not work if "the address sharing function is required to 
act as a UDP/TCP-HIP relay".

13. Section 4.8.2

* The text says that the ICMP approach is viable for TCP and UDP.  Any 
reason why it may be an issue for other transport protocols (e.g., SCTP 
or RTP)?

* I would also like to see some text describing why the approach is not 
compatible with cascading NATs.

* The last bullet mentions FMC and Open WiFi with no context or 
references.  These should either have references or their mention should 
be removed since they don't add much to the description.  The same goes 
for their mention in Section 4.9.2 (8th bullet).

14. In Section 4.9.2 (3rd bullet), is the solution to publish this info 
in DNS or is that just an example approach?  This should be clarified.

15. Section 5

* Shouldn't there be an additional metric that covers the impact/cost of 
needing client or middlebox code changes?

* Where did the 100% success ratio for IP-ID come from?  There have been 
documented cases of OSes setting the Identification field to zero.  If 
that is true, the success ratio can't be 100% can it?

* Given the goal of this document to describe these identification 
mechanisms, I don't see the need for the last bulleted list.

Regards,
Brian
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Brian Haberman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-02-11T21:11:47</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3468">
    <title>Request to advancedraft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-04.txt</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3468</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Dear Internet ADs,
  The chairs of the intarea working group, on behalf of the working
group, request that the following document be published as a Proposed
Standard.

Title : Analysis of Solution Candidates to Reveal a Host Identifier
(HOST_ID) in Shared Address Deployments
Draft name: draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-04.txt

Writeup
=======

(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is
this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title
page header?

Informational. This document does not define any protocols. It provides
an analysis of multiple solutions for identifying a host when it uses an
IP address that is shared among multiple subscribers behind a Carrier
Grade NAT. Hence we believe that an Informational document is appropriate.

(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement
Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent
examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved
documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections:

Technical Summary:

This document analyzes a set of solution candidates to mitigate some of
the issues encountered when address sharing is used.  In particular,
this document focuses on means to reveal a host identifier (HOST_ID)
when a Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) or application proxies are involved in
the path.  This host identifier must be unique to each host under the
same shared IP address.

Working Group Summary:

The working group had active discussion on the draft and the current
text of the draft is representative of the consensus of the working
group. In particular, as a result of WG consensus, this version of the
draft does not make any recommendations as to a preferred solution among
those analyzed.

Document Quality:

The document has received adequate review. The Document Shepherd has no
concerns about the depth or breadth of these reviews. This document does
not define a protocol. Hence there are no implementations of this document.

Personnel:

Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area Director?

Suresh Krishnan is the document shepherd. Brian Haberman is the
responsible AD.

(3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by
the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for
publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG.

The document shepherd has reviewed the draft and finds that it is ready
to advance to the IESG. All issues that were raised in the working group
last calls have been addressed.

(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or
breadth of the reviews that have been performed?

No. The document shepherd has no such concerns.

(5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from
broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS,
DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took
place.

Yes. I think the document could benefit from further review from people
with Security and Privacy expertise.

(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd
has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the
IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable
with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really
is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and
has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those
concerns here.

There is a general concern with the document that has been raised
several times over the progress of the document through the WG.
Specifically, there are several people who believe that deploying IPv6
would be a much better solution that any described in this document.
While that is true, the fact remains that there are existing deployments
of shared IPv4 addresses that could benefit from the analysis provided
in the draft.

(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78
and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why?

Yes.

(8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If
so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR
disclosures.

No.

(9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it
represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being
silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it?

The WG consensus behind this document has been pretty stable but not
very strong. In particular, the WG consensus flipped completely at one
point in the process to not include a recommendation in the draft. Prior
consensus was to include a recommendation. This happened between
versions -02 and -03.

(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme
discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate
email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a
separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.)

No.

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this
document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts
Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be
thorough.

No errors were found on the ID nits check. There are newer versions of
some of the drafts in the references. This will be updated whenever a
newer version of the draft is published.

(12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review
criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews.

N/A

(13) Have all references within this document been identified as either
normative or informative?

Yes.

(14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for
advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative
references exist, what is the plan for their completion?

No.

(15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)?
If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in
the Last Call procedure.

No.

(16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing
RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the
abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed
in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of
the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs
is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why
the WG considers it unnecessary.

No.

(17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations
section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the
document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes
are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries.
Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly
identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a
detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that
allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a
reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226).

The document requests no IANA actions.

(18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future
allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful
in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries.

N/A

(19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document
Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal
language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc.

N/A

Thanks
Suresh
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Suresh Krishnan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-01-23T04:43:38</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3466">
    <title>I-D Action:draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-00.txt</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3466</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

Title           : Using the IPv6 Flow Label for Server Load Balancing
Author(s)       : Brian Carpenter
                          Sheng Jiang
                          Willy Tarreau
Filename        : draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-00.txt
Pages           : 13
Date            : 2013-01-15

Abstract:
   This document describes how the IPv6 flow label as currently
   specified can be used to enhance layer 3/4 load distribution and
   balancing for large server farms.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-00


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>internet-drafts&lt; at &gt;ietf.org</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-01-15T15:01:23</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3465">
    <title>Adoption of draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02 aswg draft</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3465</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi all,
  The adoption call on the mailing list has demonstrated consensus to
adopt this draft as a wg draft. Authors, please resubmit this draft as
draft-ietf-intarea-flow-label-balancing-00.

Regards
Suresh &amp;amp; Julien
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Suresh Krishnan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-01-14T14:15:27</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3459">
    <title>Call for adoption ofdraft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3459</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi all,

I support to adopt this draft. It is a good use case of flow label.

Best wishes
Qiong




























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Int-area&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Qiong</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2013-01-04T03:08:25</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3444">
    <title>Call for adoption ofdraft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3444</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi all,
  This draft has been presented at intarea face to face meetings and has
received a bit of discussion. It has been difficult to gauge whether the
wg is interested in this work or not. This call is being initiated to
determine whether there is WG consensus towards adoption of
draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02 as an intarea WG draft. Please
state whether or not you're in favor of the adoption by replying to this
email. If you are not in favor, please also state your objections in
your response. This adoption call will complete on 2013-01-04.

Regards
Suresh &amp;amp; Julien
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Suresh Krishnan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-12-18T12:45:47</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3440">
    <title>[Fwd: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02.txt]</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3440</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Hi,

This version has been updated following the review by Julia Renouard.

   Brian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02.txt
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 07:36:10 -0800
From: internet-drafts&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org
Reply-To: internet-drafts&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org
To: i-d-announce&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;ietf.org


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.


Title           : Using the IPv6 Flow Label for Server Load Balancing
Author(s)       : Brian Carpenter
                          Sheng Jiang
                          Willy Tarreau
Filename        : draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02.txt
Pages           : 13
Date            : 2012-12-05

Abstract:
   This document describes how the IPv6 flow label as currently
   specified can be used to enhance layer 3/4 load distribution and
   balancing for large server farms.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-carpenter-flow-label-balancing-02


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Brian E Carpenter</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-12-05T15:42:39</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3437">
    <title>draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3437</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Dear all,

We submitted an updated version of this draft to list use cases which encounter the issue of host identification. The following use cases are discussed in the draft:

   (1)  Carrier Grade NAT (CGN)
   (2)  A+P (e.g., MAP )
   (3)  Application Proxies
   (4)  Provider Wi-Fi
   (5)  Policy and Charging Architectures
   (6)  Cellular Networks
   (7)  Femtocells
   (8)  Overlay Networks (e.g., CDNs)

The document does not include any solution-specific discussion. Its main goal is to identify the use cases and describe them. 

If you think your use case is not included in this version, please share it with us. 

Comments are welcome. 

Cheers,
Med


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Objet : I-D Action: draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-02.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.


Title           : Host Identification: Use Cases
Author(s)       : Mohamed Boucadair
                          David Binet
                          Sophie Durel
                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Brandon Williams
Filename        : draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-02.txt
Pages           : 14
Date            : 2012-12-02

Abstract:
   This document describes a set of scenarios in which host
   identification is required.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-02

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&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>mohamed.boucadair&lt; at &gt;orange.com</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-12-03T09:07:55</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3434">
    <title>I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-07.txt</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3434</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

Title           : Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field
Author(s)       : Joe Touch
Filename        : draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-07.txt
Pages           : 19
Date            : 2012-11-27

Abstract:
   The IPv4 Identification (ID) field enables fragmentation and
   reassembly, and as currently specified is required to be unique
   within the maximum lifetime for all datagrams with a given
   source/destination/protocol tuple. If enforced, this uniqueness
   requirement would limit all connections to 6.4 Mbps. Because
   individual connections commonly exceed this speed, it is clear that
   existing systems violate the current specification. This document
   updates the specification of the IPv4 ID field in RFC791, RFC1122,
   and RFC2003 to more closely reflect current practice and to more
   closely match IPv6 so that the field's value is defined only when a
   datagram is actually fragmented. It also discusses the impact of
   these changes on how datagrams are used.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-07

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http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-07


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    <dc:creator>internet-drafts&lt; at &gt;ietf.org</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-11-28T00:15:02</dc:date>
  </item>
  <item rdf:about="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3432">
    <title>Please comment on this updated version &lt; draft-rafiee-intarea-cga-tsig-01.txt&gt;</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.int/3432</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;

Hello,
I revised  my draft-rafiee-intarea-cga-tsig incorporating your comments that I received by email. Please review my revised document.
Best Regards,
Hosnieh


URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rafiee-intarea-cga-tsig-01.txt
Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rafiee-intarea-cga-tsig
Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-intarea-cga-tsig-01
Diff:            http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rafiee-intarea-cga-tsig-01

Abstract:
   The first step in the Transaction SIGnature (TSIG) (RFC 2845) process
   is the generation of a shared secret to be used between a DNS server
   and a host. The second step is the manual exchange of the shared
   secret between the DNS server and the host. This document, CGA-TSIG,
   proposes a possible way to automate the now manual process used for
   the authentication of a node with a DNS server during the DNS Update
   process by using the same parameters as are used in generating a
   secure address in IPv6 networks, i.e., Cryptographically Generated
   Addresses (CGA) (RFC 3972). CGA-TSIG facilitates this authentication
   process and reduces the time needed for DNS Updates. The current
   signature generation process and verification mechanism in TSIG are
   thus replaced with CGA. This algorithm is added, as an extension, to
   TSIG to eliminate the human intervention needed for generation and
   exchange of keys between a DNS server and a host when SEcure Neighbor
   Discovery (SEND) (RFC 3971) is used.
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Rafiee, Hosnieh</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-11-23T09:34:02</dc:date>
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