http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29760 <pre>...by the way, and I'd like be referred to by that name (if it's not too much trouble). </pre> James Beirne 2013-05-14T01:57:46 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29747 <pre>As long as you're rewriting headers, can you rewrite them to move Date: to the bottom? Makes it easier to find. </pre> Ed Murphy 2013-05-12T21:56:34 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29742 <pre>{ Enact a Rule with the following text: Agora's Twentieth Birthday shall be known as the Vigintennial. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is an office; its holder is responsible for organising the celebration of the Vigintennial. A player CAN, with two support, make a former player of Agora an Ancient; the Comptroller SHALL make a reasonable effort to invite each Ancient to contribute to and partake in the celebration of the Vigintennial. The Comptroller SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, submit a proposal regarding the Vigintennial and make a reasonable effort to ensure that it is distributed. The Comptroller SHALL be responsible, as part of eir weekly duties, for publicising the Vigintennial both to former players of Agora and to the general public, and for encouraging em to participate in its celebration. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is a patent title; in a timely fashion after the Vigintennial, the Herald SHALL award it to the holder of the office of the same name. When Agora is at least twenty years and one week old, any player CAN cause this Rule to repeal itself by announcement. Enact a Rule with the following text: The Comptroller CAN make a non-contest document into a Vigintennial contest or amend the text or gamestate of a contest without 3 objections; he then becomes that contest's contestmaster. The Vigintennial contest's instructions should include conditions under which persons "win the contest". Upon a true announcement by the Comptroller that one or more persons satisfy those conditions, all those persons satisfy the Victory Condition of Victory. Intentionally making a false such announcement is the Class-4 Crime of Gaming the System. The Comptroller SHALL obey the text of a Vigintennial contest. The Comptroller is, prima facie, the adjudicator of Vigintennial contest instructions and disputes. Disputes should in general, be resolved with the spirit of the instructions in mind. For the purpose of determining the internal gamestate of a Vigintennial contest (including whether its Comptroller falsely announced that persons won the contest), its instructions are generally interpreted in the same manner as a rule, but the reasonable opinion of the Comptroller takes precedence. If Agora is more than twenty years and one week old, any player CAN cause this Rule to repeal itself by announcement. } -- Walker </pre> Charles Walker 2013-05-10T16:17:56 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29702 <pre>[13:42:48] &lt;taral&gt; I can't believe I was distributor for 10 years. [13:42:59] &lt;taral&gt; Someone award me "10 Years Long Service" please. I thank you for your long service. :) </pre> omd 2013-05-07T17:46:41 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29694 <pre>So I took a trip, and my phone was supposed to work, but... it didn't. Bastards. As a result, I've been almost totally out of touch for two weeks. Apologies, as I know I missed at least one CFJ. What else did I miss? --Wes </pre> Wes Contreras 2013-05-06T03:59:40 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29689 <pre>What is an entity? Is it the same thing as a player? </pre> Henri Bouchard 2013-05-06T02:35:30 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29681 <pre>Who is the current Rulekeepor? </pre> Henri Bouchard 2013-05-05T05:03:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29675 <pre>testing digest. </pre> omd 2013-05-04T19:50:51 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29669 <pre>I'll submit the proposal before the deadline on Sunday. Any final comments? There's a list of salaries, fees and rewards at the end. A quick spreadsheet showing how Yak ownership changes long term (assuming no expenditure and the only income is from the activity wage and office salaries) is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhWsYe7MURzKdGNSUHRfUG91c2VBc1pQazNqYnJ3WGc#gid=0 { Yaks, AI 2, co-authors: G., Murphy, omd Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Yaks" with the following text: Yaks, with currency symbol '#', are a currency; their ownership is restricted to players. The Yak Herdor is an office and recordkeepor of Yaks. The maximum FINE amount for Yaks is the value of the Yak FINE Budget Switch. Append to Rule 2162 (Switches) the following: A natural switch is a switch with a default value of 0, unless the rules explicitly specify a different default value. If the rules define an upper limit for the switch, then the possible values are non-negative integers not greater than that limit, otherwise the values are the non-negative integers. A singleton switch is a switch for which Agora Nomic is the only entity possessing an instance of that switch. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Budget Switches" with the following text: A Budget Switch is a switch defined as such by the Rules. During the nomination period of an election for an office which is required to track at least one Budget Switch, the candidates CAN publish eir Proposed Budgets, which consist of proposed values of each of the relevant Budget Switches, by announcement. Upon the resolution of such an election, if the winning candidate has a Proposed Budget, the Budget Switches the officer is required to track flip to the values in eir Proposed Budget. A player CAN flip a Budget Switch without objection; an officer required to track a particular Budget Switch CAN flip it without three objections, or with Agoran Consent. Unless specified otherwise by the Rules, a Budget Switch is a singular natural switch tracked by the Yak Herdor. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Tax" with the following text: The Yak Herdor CAN destroy other players' Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as explicitly required by the Rules; violating this is the Class 7 Crime of Administrative Error. As soon as possible after the beginning of each quarter, the Yak Herdor SHALL: a) destroy N of each first-class player's Yaks, where N is (A/100) * the number of Yaks greater than B they owned at the beginning of the quarter, rounded down, and b) destroy M of each second-class player's Yaks, where M is (C/100) * the number of Yaks greater than D they owned at the beginning of the quarter, rounded down, where 1) A is equal to the first-class Tax Rate Budget Switch, 2) B is equal to the first-class Tax Threshold Budget Switch, 3) C is equal to the second-class Tax Rate Budget Switch, and 4) D is equal to the second-class Tax Threshold Budget Switch. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Registration Yaks" with the following text: The Registrar CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. The registration reward is a Budget Switch. As soon as possible after a first-class person registers, the Registrar SHALL award em N Yaks, where N is the value of the registration reward. The activity wage is a Budget Switch. As soon as possible after the beginning of each month, the Registrar SHALL award N Yaks to each first-class player who a) was active at the beginning of the month, and b) voted on the last Agoran decision to be resolved in the previous month where N is equal to the activity wage. If a first-class person (the recruit), within one week of registering, announces that exactly one player other than emself (the recruitor) recruited em to Agora, then if one month after this announcement the recruit was active and had voted on at least one Agoran decision, the recruitor CAN announce a Recruitment, specifying the identify of the recruit. The recruitment reward is a Budget Switch. As soon as possible after a valid announcement of a Recruitment, the Registrar SHALL award N Yaks each to the recruit and the recruitor, where N is the value of the recruitment reward. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Office Salary" with the following text: Salary is a natural office (non-singular) Budget Switch, tracked by the IADoP. The IADoP CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. During the nomination period of an election, each candidate CAN set their proposed salary, a possible value of the office's salary switch, by announcement. If they fail to do so before the end of the nomination period, their proposed salary is set to 100. The proposed salaries for each candidate are essential parameters for the Agoran decision to decide the officeholder. The proposed salary of the winning candidate becomes the salary of the office upon the resolution of the relevant decision. A player CAN flip the salary of an office without two objections. The holder of a Postulated office CAN decrease its salary by announcement. As soon as possible after the beginning of each month, the IADoP SHALL award each officeholder a number of Yaks equal to the sum of the salaries of eir offices for which: a) the officeholder held the office for at least two weeks continuously in the previous month, and b) the officeholder completed all duties required of em as a result of holding the office during the time e held it, within any time limits for doing so. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Judicial Fees" with the following text: The CotC CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. As soon as possible after a player or an appeals panel judges a judicial case within any time limits for doing so, the CotC SHALL award A Yaks to the player or B Yaks to each member of the judicial panel, where a) A is equal to the value of the Standard Case Fee, a Budget Switch, and b) B is equal to the value of the Standard Appeal Fee, a Budget Switch. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Proposal Fees" with the following text: Proposal fee is a natural undistributed proposal switch, tracked by the Promotor. The Assessor CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. The author of a proposal CAN set its proposal fee by announcement upon its submission. Subsequently, it CAN be set by any player without two objections. The proposal fee is an essential parameter for an Agoran decision on whether to adopt the proposal. As soon as possible after a proposal is adopted, the Assessor SHALL award a number of Yaks equal to the value of its fee immediately before it was distributed to its author, and one-third this amount, rounded down, to each of the proposal's co-authors. In Rule 1607 (Distribution), replace The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute all proposals in the Proposal Pool that were in the Pool at the beginning of that week. with: The Mutability Index (MI) is a Budget Switch. A proposal that was in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of a given week is a pending proposal. The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute the N pending proposals with the highest non-zero Distributability, breaking ties in favour of proposals which were submitted first, where N is equal to the MI. The Promotor SHALL also, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute all disinterested pending proposals. Enact the following as a Power 2 Rule, entitled "Distributability": Distributability is a natural undistributed proposal switch tracked by the Promotor. A player CAN, by announcement, increase the Distributability of a proposal by one for a cost of A Yaks; a player CAN, by announcement, decrease the Distributability of a proposal by two for a cost of B Yaks, where a) A is the value of the Distributability Fee, a Budget Switch, and b) B is the value of the Undistributability Fee, a Budget Switch. A disinterested proposal is a proposal identified as such when submitted. If a proposal is disinterested, this is an essential parameter of the decision of whether to adopt it. The remainder of the rules notwithstanding, the proposal fee of a disinterested proposal is 0 and CANNOT be set or changed to any other value. In Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) replace a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, or the office is vacant or assumed, or no election has been initiated for the office within 90 days before the announcement; b) with 4 Supporters, otherwise. with: a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, or the office is vacant or assumed, or no election has been initiated for the office within 90 days before the announcement; b) by announcement, for a cost of N Yaks, where N is the value of the Election Fee, a Budget Switch; c) with 4 Supporters, otherwise. Append to Rule 2374 (Democratization) the following: Any player CAN, by announcement, set the Chamber of an entity to Democratic for a cost of N Yaks, where N is equal to the value of the Democratization Fee, a Budget Switch. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Veto and Rubberstamp" with the following text: A player CAN Veto an Ordinary decision with AI &lt;= 3 for a cost of A Yaks by announcement, where A is the value of the Veto Fee, a Budget Switch; this sets its AI to 3. A player CAN Rubberstamp an Ordinary decision with AI &lt;= 2 for a cost of B Yaks by announcement, where B is the value of the Rubberstamp Fee, a Budget Switch; this sets its AI to 2, and among the otherwise-valid votes on a decision that has been Rubberstamped, only the first AGAINST vote per voter is valid. Set the Salary of each office as follows: Office Salary ------------------------ Ambassador-aL 100 Assessor 400 CotC 400 CBG 200 Herald 100 Horton 150 IADoP 300 Lexicographor 100 Promotor 300 Registrar 250 Rulekeepor 400 Yak Herdor 300 Set the value of each of these switches as follows: Switch Amount -------------------------------- Mutability Index 10 Registration Reward 100 Recruitment Reward 100 Activity Wage 100 Standard Case Fee 50 Standard Appeal Fee 20 Yak FINE 2000 1st class Tax Threshold 200 1st class Tax Rate 60 2nd class Tax Threshold 0 2nd class Tax Rate 60 Distributability Fee 20 Undistributability Fee 50 Election Fee 200 Democratization Fee 500 Veto Fee 400 Rubberstamp Fee 400 Create 300 Yaks in the possession of each active first-class player. } -- Walker </pre> Charles Walker 2013-05-04T12:52:27 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29665 <pre>- Date hack disabled until I can figure out what to do about the duplicate messages. - Slightly updated http://www.agoranomic.org and now on GitHub at https://github.com/comex/agoranomic. (I updated the FLR links, removed the text about me being the Rulekeepor, changed the link to http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/stare.txt to point to archive.org because it's 404'd, and removed the links to http://www.nomictools.com and http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx because they're broken and archive.org doesn't have historical copies.) </pre> omd 2013-05-03T03:58:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29649 <pre>(The cross-post spam is required by R478.) I intend, without objection, to make the forum now located at agora-business&lt; at &gt;agoranomic.org Public. I intend, without objection, to make the forum now located at agora-official&lt; at &gt;agoranomic.org Public. I intend, without objection, to make the forum now located at agora-discussion&lt; at &gt;agoranomic.org Discussion. </pre> comex 2013-05-02T05:05:39 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29638 <pre>Dear Agorans, As many of you are aware, in just two short months Agora will be celebrating the completion of its 20th year of existence, having been played continuously during that entire frame. As the world's longest-lived and wisest nomic, and indeed one of the longest-lived and wisest among all the communities of the world, Agora has established itself as duly deserving of recognition. Therefore, I propose that we begin planning for an event historical in scope amongst Agora's already storied past. Among other things, I think we should try to make contact with and involve some of the people critical to Agora's history, including Peter Suber, Douglas Hofstadter, Chuck Carroll, Michael Norrish, and many others. There ought to be commemorative songs and poems, massive publicity, and, of course, the passing of commemorative proposals. I invite all thoughts on the planning of this vigintennial. Yally </pre> Aaron Goldfein 2013-05-01T03:57:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29605 <pre>{ Contracts, AI 2 Enact a Power 2 Rule with the following text: A contract is a binding agreement between two or more persons (the parties). In order to be a valid contract, the parties must enter into the agreement voluntarily and the agreement must not obligate any of its parties to violate the Rules under any circumstances. The Notary is an office and recordkeeper of contracts; eir weekly report contains a list of all public contracts and eir monthly report contains the text and membership of all public contracts. The text of a contract CAN be modified: a) by any player without objection, b) upon the agreement of the parties, or c) as specified in the text of the contract. Unless otherwise specified in the text of a contract, any person CAN join or leave the agreement by announcement. Any player CAN turn a contract into a public contract by publishing its text and a list of its members; thereafter any changes to the membership or text of the contract occur only when they are announced. The parties to a contract SHALL NOT violate its requirements, but a criminal case regarding the violation of a contract can only be validly judged GUILTY if the text of the contract at the time of the violation is a public document. (The text can be published subsequent to the violation.) Amend Rule 2328 (Public Agreements) to read: A public contract is a person if its text clearly indicates that it is intended to be a person. } </pre> Charles Walker 2013-04-28T20:44:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29604 <pre>Changes: - G. and Murphy's suggestions - Now "Ruble" is replaced with "Yak" in Plutocratic Chamber A handy list of rewards and costs: Reward Amount (per month where applicable) -------------------------------------------------- Activity Wage 100 Judging 50 Appeal 20 Salaries 100-400, see list at end Joining 100 Recruiting 100 each Cost Amount --------------------------------------------- Tax (quarterly) 50% (holdings above 100) 2nd Class Tax 50% (of all Yaks) Distributability +1 20 Distributability -2 50 Start Election 200 Veto 1500 Rubberstamp 1500 Democratise 1000 Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Yaks" with the following text: Yaks, with currency symbol '#' are a class of assets and a currency; their ownership is restricted to players. The Yak Herdor is an office and recordkeepor of Yaks. The maximum FINE amount for Yaks is 1000. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Tax" with the following text: The Yak Herdor CAN destroy other player's Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as explicitly required by the Rules; violating this is the Class 7 Crime of Administrative Error. As soon as possible after the beginning of each quarter, the Yak Herdor SHALL: a) destroy N of each first-class player's Yaks, where N is half of the number of Yaks greater than 100 they owned at the beginning of the quarter, and b) destroy M of each second-class player's Yaks, where M is half the number of Yaks they owned at the beginning of the quarter. Append to Rule 2162 (Switches) the following: A natural switch is a switch with a default value of 0, unless the rules explicitly specify a different default value. If the rules define an Upper Limit for the switch, then the possible values are non-negative integers not greater than that limit, otherwise the values are the non-negative integers. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Registration Yaks" with the following text: The Registrar CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. As soon as possible after a first-class person registers, the Registrar SHALL award em 100 Yaks. The activity wage is a natural Agora Nomic switch tracked by the Yak Herdor. As soon as possible after the beginning of each month, the Registrar SHALL award a number of Yaks to each active first-class player who voted on the most recently resolved Agoran decision equal to the activity wage. If a first-class person (the recruit), within one week of registering, announces that another player (the recruitor) recruited em to Agora, then if one month after this announcement the recruit was active and had voted on at least one Agoran decision, the recruitor CAN announce a Recruitment, specifying the identify of the recruit. As soon as possible after a valid announcement of a Recruitment, the Registrar SHALL award 100 Yaks each to the recruit and the recruitor. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Office Salary" with the following text: Salary is a natural office switch, tracked by the IADoP. The IADoP CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. During the nomination period of an election, the candidates CAN and SHALL set their proposed salary, a possible value of the office's salary switch, by announcement. If they fail to do so before the end of the nomination period, their proposed salary is set to 10. The proposed salaries for each candidate are essential parameters for the Agoran decision to decide the officeholder. The proposed salary of the winning candidate becomes the salary of the office upon the resolution of the relevant decision. A player CAN flip with Salary of an office without two objections. The holder of a Postulated office CAN decrease its Salary by announcement. As soon as possible after the beginning of each month, the IADoP SHALL award each officeholder a number of Yaks equal to the sum of the salaries of their offices for which: a) the officeholder held the office for at least two weeks continuously in the previous month, and b) the officeholder completed all duties required of them as a result of holding the office during the time they held it, within any time limits for doing so. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Judicial Fees" with the following text: The CotC CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. As soon as possible after a player or an appeals panel judge a judicial case within any time limits for doing so, the CotC SHALL award 50 Yaks to the player or 20 Yaks to each member of the judicial panel. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Proposal Fees" with the following text: Proposal fee is a natural undistributed proposal switch, tracked by the Promotor. The Assessor CAN award Yaks by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as required by the Rules. The author of a proposal CAN set its proposal fee by announcement upon its submission. Subsequently, it CAN be set by any player without two objections. The proposal fee is an essential parameter for an Agoran decision on whether to adopt the proposal. As soon as possible after a proposal is adopted, the Assessor SHALL award a number of Yaks equal to the value of its fee immediately before it was distributed to its author, and one-third this amount, rounded down, to each of the proposal's coauthors. In Rule 1607 (Distribution), replace The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute all proposals in the Proposal Pool that were in the Pool at the beginning of that week. with: The Mutability Index (MI) is a natural Agora Nomic switch tracked by the Promotor. The Promotor CAN flip the MI without three objections; other players CAN do so without objection. The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute the N proposals in the Proposal Pool (that were in the Pool at the beginning of that week) with the highest non-zero Distributability, breaking ties in favour of proposals which were submitted first, where N is equal to the MI. The Promotor SHALL also, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute all disinterested proposals. Enact the following as a Power 2 Rule, entitled "Distributability": Distributability is a natural undistributed proposal switch tracked by the Promotor. A player CAN, by announcement, increase the Distributability of a proposal by one for a cost of 20 Yaks. A player CAN, by announcement, decrease the Distributability of a proposal by two for a cost of 50 Yaks. A disinterested proposal is a proposal identified as such when submitted. The remainder of the rules notwithstanding, the proposal fee of a disinterested proposal is 0 and CANNOT be set or changed to any other value. In Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) replace a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, or the office is vacant or assumed, or no election has been initiated for the office within 90 days before the announcement; b) with 4 Supporters, otherwise. with: a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, or the office is vacant or assumed, or no election has been initiated for the office within 90 days before the announcement; b) by announcement, for a cost of 200 Yaks; c) with 4 Supporters, otherwise. Append to Rule 2374 (Democratization) the following: Any player CAN, by announcement, set the Chamber of an entity to Democratic for a cost of 1000 Yaks. Amend Rule 2375 (Plutocratic Chamber) by replacing "Ruble" with "Yak". Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Veto and Rubberstamp" with the following text: A player CAN Veto an Ordinary decision with AI &lt;= 3 for a cost of 1500 Yaks by announcement; this sets its AI to 3. A player CAN Rubberstamp an Ordinary decision with AI &lt;= 2 for a cost of 1500 Yaks by announcement; this sets its AI to 2, and among the otherwise-valid votes on a decision that has been Rubberstamped, only the first AGAINST vote per voter is valid. Set the Mutability Index to 12 and the activity wage to 100. Create 400 Yaks in the possession of each active first-class player. Set the Salary of each office as follows: Office Salary ------------------------ ATC 150 Ambassador 100 Assessor 400 CotC 400 CBG 200 Golemkeepor 100 Herald 100 Horton 150 IADoP 300 Lexicographor 100 Promotor 300 Registrar 250 Rulekeepor 400 Speaker 50 Yak Herdor 250 -- Walker </pre> Charles Walker 2013-04-28T20:13:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29600 <pre>I checked the Assessor DB for proposals whose outcome was never recorded. Most appeared to be uncontroversial batches where I just missed updating the DB. Here are the rest (not counting omd's trophy); anyone feel like researching these properly? 7314 - allegedly adopted Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:06:00 -0400 but I think it was ineffective due to a failed scam (CFJs 3277-80) 7174 - apparently never resolved (CFJ 3282) 6960 - distributed Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:50 -0800 along with 6961 which was adopted 6877-94 - resolved Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:46:23 -0800 or Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:11:45 -0800 6514 - rejected Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:40:56 +0100 or adopted Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:48:55 -0700 (CFJ 2724) 6481 - adopted or rejected Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:34:38 -0700 (CFJ 2676) 5956 and 5961-62 - Nov/Dec 2008, CFJs 2270 2274 2276 </pre> Ed Murphy 2013-04-28T14:58:14 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29599 <pre>I'm not a player. I'm just spying on you hatless evildoers. </pre> Fool 2013-04-28T09:45:31 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29580 <pre>[tl;dr: simple liquid currency with office salaries, case fees and proposal fees. A small reward just for voting. Bidding to distribute the top N proposals (other than those with low fees). Offices propose their Salary during elections. The return of Caste, but no GP. ] The rationale behind some of this: - The reward for voting is not just to encourage players to do so, but also to encourage spending rather than hoarding. Tax does the same thing and for the same reason there's no 'spend N Dollars to win'. - As far as possible I've tried to allow prices to fluctuate according to how active the game is, in particular with Distributability. - Awarding the currency is divided between four offices and then tracked by a fifth, to minimise workload and chances of the economy crashing if one officer goes missing. Suggestions for other things to add later: - Something to do with the Speaker - Contest fees to maintain their existence, then they can award a certain number of dollars - A functioning economy needs contract law. Promises are good, but I think we need contracts which aren't like pledges back I welcome suggestions for a better name for the currency. Apologies to those whose ideas I've stolen. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Agoran Dollars" with the following text: Agoran Dollars (or Dollars, and with currency symbol '#') are a class of assets and a currency. The Treasuror is an office and recordkeepor of Dollars. The IADoP, the Assessor, the CotC and the Registrar CAN award and destroy Dollars by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as explicitly required by the Rules, or to correct an error made in attempting to fulfil eir duties; violating this is the Class 7 Crime of Administrative Error. The Treasuror CAN destroy Dollars by announcement, but SHALL NOT do so except as explicitly required by the Rules; violating this is the Class 7 Crime of Administrative Error. The maximum FINE amount for Dollars is 500. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Tax" with the following text: As soon as possible after the beginning of each of the months in {Janurary, April, July, October}, the Treasuror SHALL destroy N of each player's Dollars, where N is half the number of Dollars the player owned at the beginning of the month, rounded up. Append to Rule 2162 (Switches) the following: A natural switch is a switch with possible values of the non-negative integers and a default value of 0. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Activity Rewards" with the following text: The activity wage is a natural Agora Nomic switch tracked by the Treasuror. Once each week, the Registrar SHALL award a number of Dollars to each active first-class player who voted on the most recently resolved Agoran decision equal to the activity wage. If a first-class person (the recruit), within one week of registering, announces that another player (the recruitor) recruited em to Agora, then if two months after this announcement the recruit was active, the recruitor CAN announce a Recruitment, specifying the identify of the recruit. As soon as possible after a valid announcement of a Recruitment, the Registrar SHALL award 40 Dollars each to the recruit and the recruitor. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Office Salary" with the following text: Salary is a natural office switch, tracked by the IADoP. During the nomination period of an election, the candidates CAN and SHALL set their proposed salary, a possible value of the office's salary switch, by announcement. The proposed salaries, if any, for each candidate are essential parameters for the Agoran decision to decide the officeholder. The proposed salary of the winning candidate, if any, becomes the salary of the office upon the resolution of the relevant decision. A player CAN flip with Salary of an office without two objections. The holder of a Postulated office CAN decrease its Salary by announcement. Once each month, the IADoP SHALL award each officeholder a number of Dollars equal to the sum of the salaries of all eir Postulated offices. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Judicial Fees" with the following text: Judicial fee is a natural open judicial case switch tracked by the CotC. The initiator of a judicial case CAN and SHALL set its judicial fee by announcement upon the initiation of the case; if e fails to do so the CotC CAN set it by announcement. Judicial fee CAN also be flipped by any player without two objections. As soon as possible after a player or an appeals panel judge a judicial case within any time limits for doing so, the CotC SHALL award a number of Dollars equal to the value of the judicial fee of the case immediately before it was judged to the player or to each member of the judicial panel. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Proposal Fees" with the following text: Proposal fee is a natural undistributed proposal switch, tracked by the Promotor. The author of a proposal CAN set its proposal fee by announcement upon its submission. Subsequently, it CAN be set by any player without two objections. The proposal fee is an essential parameter for an Agoran decision on whether to adopt the proposal. As soon as possible after a proposal is adopted, the Assessor SHALL award a number of Dollars equal to the value of its fee immediately before it was distributed to its author, and one Dollar to each of the proposal's co-authors. In Rule 1607 (Distribution), replace The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute all proposals in the Proposal Pool that were in the Pool at the beginning of that week. with: The Mutability Index (MI) is a natural Agora Nomic switch tracked by the Promotor. The Promotor CAN flip the MI without three objections; other players CAN do so without objection. The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute the N proposals in the Proposal Pool (that were in the Pool at the beginning of that week) with the highest non-zero Distributability, breaking ties in favour of proposals which were submitted first, where N is equal to the MI. The Promotor SHALL also, as part of eir weekly duties, distribute all proposals with a proposal fee of zero or one. Enact the following as a Power 2 Rule, entitled "Distributability": Distributability is a natural undistributed proposal switch tracked by the Promotor. A player CAN increase the Distributability of a proposal by one for a cost of one Dollar. A player CAN decrease the Distributability of a proposal by two for a cost of three Dollars. In Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) replace a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, or the office is vacant or assumed, or no election has been initiated for the office within 90 days before the announcement; b) with 4 Supporters, otherwise. with: a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, or the office is vacant or assumed, or no election has been initiated for the office within 90 days before the announcement; b) by announcement, for a cost of 20 Dollars; c) with 4 Supporters, otherwise. Amend Rule 2390 (Ordinary Chamber) to read: Caste is a player switch, tracked by the Assessor, with values {11,7,5,2,1,0} (default 1 for first-class players, 0 otherwise). A player's voting limit on an Ordinary decision is initially eir Caste, subject to further modification according to the Rules. A player CAN, by announcement, spend 100 Dollars to increase eir Caste to the next highest value. A player CAN, by announcement, spend 50 Dollars to increase the Caste of a specified player to the next highest value. A player CAN, by announcement, spend 100 Dollars to decrease the Caste of a specified player to the next lowest value. If at any time more than two players have Caste 11, or more than three players have Caste 7, or more than four players have Caste 5, then any player CAN reset Caste by announcement. When Caste is reset, all players' Castes return to their default values. During the voting period of an Ordinary decision, a player CAN spend 10 Dollars by announcement to increase or decrease the voting limit of a specified player on that decision by one. Append to Rule 2374 (Democratization) the following: Any player CAN, by announcement, set the Chamber of an entity to Democratic for a cost of 100 Dollars. Enact a Power 2 Rule entitled "Veto and Rubberstamp" with the following text: A player CAN Veto an Ordinary decision with AI &lt;= 3 for a cost of 150 Dollars by announcement; this sets its AI to 3. A player CAN Rubberstamp an Ordinary decision with AI &lt;= 2 for a cost of 150 Dollars by announcement; this sets its AI to 2, and among the otherwise-valid votes on a decision that has been Rubberstamped, only the first AGAINST vote per voter is valid. Set the Mutability Index to 12 and the activity wage to 5. Set the Salary of each office as follows: Office Salary ----------------------- ATC 15 Ambassador 10 Assessor 40 CotC 40 CBG 20 Golemkeepor 10 Herald 10 Horton 15 IADoP 30 Lexicographor 10 Promotor 30 Registrar 25 Rulekeepor 40 Speaker 5 -- Walker </pre> Charles Walker 2013-04-27T15:01:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29541 <pre>I request that the Ambassador-at-Large to flip the Recognition of BlogNomic and OmNomNomic (reddit.com/r/omnomnomic) to Neutral or Friendly. I also suggest (but do not request) that e flip the Recognition of Deepnomic to Abandoned. —Machiavelli </pre> Tanner Swett 2013-04-19T18:53:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29431 <pre>Proto-proto-proposal-sketch the first: Define almost everything (rules, currency, messages, fora...) as a person and see what goes boom. Preferably allow them to become players in some way. Replace Golems with this or something. Proto-proto-proposal-sketch the second: Give me back Gmail's old compose UI, my neck hurts looking at the bottom-right of the screen and I keep almost accidentally top-posting. </pre> Elliott Hird 2013-04-10T14:45:47 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29423 <pre>I think you've missed last week's VVLOP report, unless I've missed something, so just a reminder that you're supposed to publish it. :) </pre> omd 2013-04-10T03:39:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss/29418 <pre>Can anybody explain how voting exactly works at Agora? I have read all of the rules today, but this stays a bit unclear to me. Tomas </pre> Tysger B. 2013-04-09T18:53:46 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.games.nomic.agora.discuss