gmane.emacs.gnus.user

Article: Toggle headers visibility

Emanuel Berg — 2013-05-16T23:42:40

I'm trying to get the headers not to show (none of them). This I
managed to do with the call below marked with [1]. (The code is pasted
last.)

But, sometimes I need the data in the headers:

1) Are those stored in local variables? If so, that would be easier,
to write access defuns like `kill-article-author' and the like.

2) If not, I'd like to strike a command, view the headers (some of
them), move point (etc.), and get them.

So I wrote the defun at [2]. That actually works, only I have to read
the article again manually from the summary - is there a way to do it
programatically, like `gnus-article-redraw' or something?

But, once I've done that, I try to hide the headers again. But, then,
the defun at [3] won't have any affect (or rather, the highlight of
the From header face changes - ? - that's all). But, didn't it work
the first time around?

I'm pretty confused by this, so any explanations would be great. If
you have another solution to this problem, I'd be happy to read that,
as well. Cheers.

The code:

;;; headers
;; won't work the second time - [3]
(defun gnus-article-hide-headers ()
  "Hide all headers when showing an article."
  (interactive)
  (setq gnus-visible-headers "^XXX") )
;; works - [2]
(defun gnus-article-show-some-headers ()
  "Show those headers that I've needed so far."
  (interactive)
  (setq gnus-visible-headers "^From:\\|^Newsgroups:") )
(gnus-article-hide-headers) ; first, the XXX method works [1]
(defalias 'hide-headers 'gnus-article-hide-headers)
(defalias 'show-headers 'gnus-article-show-some-headers)

Posting to usenet via gnus

SabreWolfy — 2013-05-15T16:39:33

I run Emacs 23.3.1 with Gnus 5.13 under various Debian-based distributions,
which I have configured to read news from Gmane. However, I post via the
Gmane website. What is the best way to post directly from within Emacs? I've
searched for a solution, but have not found one yet. Do I need to subscribe
to each group and suppress mail delivery (I'm accessing via Gmane). Any
guidance would be appreciated.

allow catch up for groups with flagged messages

Joseph Mingrone — 2013-05-12T03:57:56

Is there a configuration option to do this?  By default, if there is a
flagged message you can only see that message in the group and the group
will always show up in the *Group* buffer.

Joseph

Is explicit inhibition of authentication supported now?

XeCycle — 2013-05-10T15:30:00

Hi,

Some time ago I was told that upon connecting a NNTP server the
authinfo file is always read, so as not to miss any lines with
`force' for the server.  But it causes inconvenience when my
authinfo file is encrypted.

So I came again to ask, can I now inhibit reading of
authentication information for a specific server?  If not, I'm
seriously requesting this feature.  I do have some sort of GPG
agent running, but I think it better to give this option.

new user; imap/gmail slowness

Joseph Mingrone — 2013-05-10T14:29:59

Hi;

I just started playing with gnus in the last few days (Gnus v5.13 inside
GNU Emacs 24.3.1 on FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE).  It's really nice to have
mailing lists and rss feeds all within Emacs.  The learning curve is a
little steep, but so far so good.

I've managed to get set my gmail account up, but the speeds are quite
slow and I assume I'm doing something foolish.  This is what I have in
~/.gnus.

(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil))
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nntp "news.gmane.org")))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnimap "gmail"
     (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com")
     (nnimap-server-port 993)
     (nnimap-stream ssl)
     (nnir-search-engine imap)
     (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo.gpg")
     (nnmail-expiry-target "nnimap+gmail:[Gmail]/Trash")
     (nnmail-expiry-wait 90)))
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 nil nil))
      smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 "jrm< at >ftfl.ca" nil))
      smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com"
      smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com"
      smtpmail-smtp-service 587
      smtpmail-local-domain "ftfl.ca")

The slow parts are when I hit 'G' in the *Group* buffer.  It can take
over a minute to finish.  I've tried unexposing some labels to imap from with
gmail (e.g. All Mail, Important, etc.) and it helps a little, but
compared to the news groups, it's much slower.

Is there anything I'm missing to speed things up?

Thanks,

Joseph

Gcc is ignored when sending mail from emacs lisp

Alexander Baier — 2013-05-10T13:40:52

Hello,

I want to sent mail from emacs lisp code, but the given Gcc-field is not
considered by the send function and thus no mail is put into my "Sent
Items" Group/Folder.  When I send a mail from within gnus, everything
works out fine.  This is the relevant code:

Sending mail from outside gnus:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun org-tut-send-mail ()
  (message-mail "my.email< at >foo.com"
                "[ELISP-TEST] Test"
                '(("From" . "my.email< at >foo.com")
                  ("Gcc" . "nnimap+imap.server.com:\"Sent Items\"")))
  (insert "SOME TEXT")
  (message-send-and-exit))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

The above snippet sends the Email just fine, but nothing gets stored in
my Sent Items group.

Can anybody give me some pointers on this?

PS: If you need further information, name it and I will gladly provide
it.

Regards,
Alex

emacs crashes frequently when adding attachment

Rainer M. Krug — 2013-05-02T12:17:52

Hi

I am using emacs 24.2.1 and the gnus included under Ubuntu raring
ringtail, and I experience regular crashes when adding an attachment.

With crash I mean: the emacs windows closes, and emacs is running in the
background and using between 50% and 100% of processor resources.

Any idea or pointers what could cause this behavior? It is quite
annoying, as I have to send emails with attachments via gmail.

Cheers,

Rainer

Always wide-reply in some newsgroups

Tassilo Horn — 2013-05-02T10:57:39

Hi all,

is there a trick to make Gnus always doing wide replies in some
newsgroups, also if I press `F' / `f'?

The background: I read some bug lists such as

  nntp+Gmane:gmane.emacs.auctex.bugs
  nntp+Gmane:gmane.emacs.bugs

via Gmane.  My muscle memory is wired to `F' for replying to some
article.  However, following-up on an article will make my reply appear
on the bug list, but most probably the reporter of that bug isn't
subscribed to the list and thus won't see my reply.

Bye,
Tassilo

"cut here" (and message formatting in general)

Tamas K Papp — 2013-04-28T09:14:47

Hi,

Reading a newsgroup recently in Gnus I found a message which had code
nicely highlighted in the Emacs buffer.  Looking at the raw message
source I found something like

--8<---------------cut here---------

around the code.

I was not aware of this possibility, so now I am interested in the
following:

1. What's the "standard" format for this, or at least the format
recognized by Gnus?

2. Is there an emacs function or some other shortcut to enter it?

3. Is there a list of similar constructs that Gnus would recognize (I am
aware of *bold*, _underline_ and /italic/, but I am interested in what I
am missing).  If there is no user-friendly list I am happy to look at EL
sources, but some directions would be useful.

Best,

Tamas

Kill certain articles in certain groups all from gnus.el

2013-04-25T03:04:49

Gentlemen, I wish to
Kill (so I don't see them) all articles
that match Subject: /xxx/
whose group name matches: /yyy/
and have this all contained within my .gnus.el file for easy maintenance.

I don't want to have 15 identical files one for each group.

I don't want a global kill string that matches every group.

I don't want this stuck in some binary .eld file that I have to fight with gnus about who gets to edit it.

gnus registry issues

Prateek Sadhukhan — 2013-04-23T19:46:01

Hi,

Versions:
GNU Emacs 24.3.1
Gnus v5.13

I have configured registry with the following:

,----
| (require 'gnus-registry)
| (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 500000)
| (gnus-registry-initialize)
| (setq gnus-registry-track-extra '(sender subject))
| (defalias 'gnus-user-format-function-M 'gnus-registry-article-marks-to-chars)
`----
I also modified the summaryline to include %uM

However when I try to set a Mark on a mail (nnimap) I always get
,----
| Removing mark nil with message ID <8AC5BD2CFB39B248AFD9196071C52E2C01672F8C< at >xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com>, resulting in nil
| Marks are nil
`----

No marks are set. 

Thanks,
Prateek

The Gnus registry could not be loaded from ~/.gnus.registry.eioio,creating a new one

Julien Cubizolles — 2013-04-23T12:31:30

I very often see this error message when starting Gnus. It's very
inconvenient since the registry is then recreated from scratch and I've
no idea what is going wrong, the error message isn't very helpful.

Here is my setup:
* I run Gnus on two machines mostly unplugged, with gnus-agent-fetch run
from a cron job
* I synchronize the ~/Mail and ~/News directories, the ~/.gnus.el
~/.gnus.registry.eioio and ~/.gnus.registry.eld on these two machines with unison

Is there any reason why it shouldn't work ?

Julien.




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scoring emails based on the To and Cc headers

Mark Longair — 2013-04-15T08:43:44

(I originally asked this at unix.stackexchange.com but someone suggested
to me that it would be more sensible to ask in this group.)

I use Gnus v5.13 in GNU Emacs 24.1.1 to read my email, and I'm having
trouble getting a simple score file to work.  Essentially, I want any
mail that's sent to (or copies) a particular email address to be given
a higher score.  My example score file, in ~/Mail/all.SCORE is:

    (("from"
      ("Mark Longair" 1000))
     ("To"
      ("mark-scoretesting< at >example.org" 1000)))

I'm making sure that that score file is being used by having added the following to my ~/.gnus file:

    (setq gnus-global-score-files
           '("~/Mail/all.SCORE"))

This does seem to work properly for the rule that matches the From
line - matching messages are highlighted, and when I type V S in the
summary buffer, it shows a score of 1000 for those messages.  However,
the "To" rule doesn't match.  I've seen in the documentation here:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Score-File-Format.html

... that "Scoring can only be performed on these eight headers: From,
Subject, References, Message-ID, Xref, Lines, Chars and Date", but
here:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Scoring-On-Other-Headers.html

... says that one can get around this limitation by adding the following
to .gnus:

     (setq gnus-extra-headers '(To Cc Newsgroups Keywords)
           nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)

... and then restarting Gnus and running M-x nnml-generate-nov-databases.

I've tried that (with just To and Cc), but the rule for the "To" line
still isn't working, even if I type V R to rescore the articles in my
summary buffer.

Could any possibly suggest how to get this to work?

Many thanks,
Mark

Customizing group buffer - strange "number of total articles"

Rainer M. Krug — 2013-04-15T07:58:29

Hi

I changed my group buffer format and added %t whic, according to the
manual is

,----
| `t'
|   Total number of articles.
`----

but it gives me very strange numbers, e.g. in the Inbox of my gmail
account (synced via offlineimap) I get nearly 10 times the number of
actual messages. It is an local imap account. I checked the number of
files in the Inbox folder of gmail, and it is also only about 10% of
number shown for %t.

I also read in the info manual that it is only an estimate and the
liitations for nntp, but my backend is nnimap and I can therefore not
compact.

So my queestion is: is there a way of getting the number of mails from
the nnimap backend in the group buffer?

Thanks,

Rainer

expiring into two folders simultaneously

Rainer M. Krug — 2013-04-12T16:22:55

Hi

I am using gmail via offlineimap and am syncing all folders. Now I want
to keep my All Mail folder small to make gnus there a little bit
faster. I setup a few Archive.YEAR folders and when I expire a message,
it is moved into that folder (which is not synced back to gmail). Now
the mail on gmail obviously still sits in the All Mail folder, and even
expiring the emails from the All Mail folder, i.e. moving them locally
from the All Mail folder into the Archive.YEAR folder does not delete
them, as they are deleted in the first offlineimap sync on gmail, but
during the second sync afterwards, they are synced back from gmail as
gmail does only consider emails in the Bin folder as deleted. 

Therefore my idea: if I could do two things upon expiring:

1) copy the message to the Archive.YEAR folder
2) move the message to the [gmail].Bin folder

the email would be archived into the local-only folder Archive.YEAR, and
removed from the gmail account.

But as far as I see, I can only specify one folder where the message
should be moved to upon expiring. 

I have at the moment the following nnmail-fancy-expiring-targets defined:
,----
| (setq nnmail-expiry-target 'nnmail-fancy-expiry-target
|         nnmail-fancy-expiry-targets
|         '(;;(to-from "boss" "nnfolder:Work")
|           ;;("subject" "IMPORTANT" "nnfolder:IMPORTANT.%Y.%b")
|           ;; ("from" ".*" "nnimap+Maildir:RMKrugGMAIL.[Gmail].Bin")))
|           ("from" ".*" "nnimap+Maildir:Archives.%Y")))
`----

But how can I achieve that the message is moved *and* copied to two
different folders?

Cheers,

Rainer

Some Gnus Registry questions

Tassilo Horn — 2013-04-11T06:51:39

Hi all,

lately I was wondering why emacs increased from taking up 1.4% of my
memory to nearly 5% just immediately after starting Gnus.  By using
Stefan Monnier's excellent memory-usage.el package (especially
`memory-usage-find-large-variables') I was quickly able to identify that
`gnus-registry-db' was the culprit.

So now I've set `gnus-registry-max-entries' to 10000 (from nil), which
has shrunken its size about a factor 5.  Thereby, some questions
wrt. the registry came to my mind.

1) What's `gnus-registry-max-pruned-entries' good for?  Of course I've
   read its docs, but still I have no idea.  What is a pruned entry?

2) The default value of `gnus-registry-track-extra' is (subject sender
   recipient).  When looking at the gnus registry eioio file, I can see
   that especially the subject tracking is responsible for a very large
   portion.  Now the question is: do I actually need that?

   I don't use client-side splitting, so I think the only position where
   I use the registry is for referring articles (^) and gathering
   threads (A T), right?  And since I also use

     (setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
           'gnus-gather-threads-by-references)

   I probably don't need the registry tracking subjects, right?
   
   In the same sense, do I actually need sender and recipient tracking?
   For article referring and thread gathering, I think only the
   Message-Id is needed, right?

Bye,
Tassilo

gnus-nnir-group-p broken?

Robert Eckl — 2013-04-09T00:22:46

When i try to compose a new message (m) or reply to a post (F) i'm getting

     gnus-post-news: Autoloading failed to define function gnus-nnir-group-p
     gnus-summary-mail-other-window: Autoloading failed to define 
function gnus-nnir-group-p

This occures since commit b6318d71b730210cd123dd373d9e800374acfb93 Ma 
Gnus V0.6 and a recent emacs 24.3.50.
Commit 027c7149090fb3655dcdddd680b84bd4a579ca0a seems to work fine.

Cu
Robert

opening nnimap local server initially fails

2013-04-08T22:51:19

When I first start gnus, the connection to a local IMAP server (dovecot)
via 'shell fails. It appears that 'nnimap-stream' is set to its default
'undecided', which means it first tries to use 'ssl, leading to the
following error:

; Unable to open server nnimap+dovecot due to: dovecot/993 System error

Of course, this doesn't happen when I'm dovecot is listening on
localhost:993, but I'd rather use the tunnel method.

Here is the relevant configuration:

(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnimap "dovecot"
                                         (nnimap-stream shell)
                                         (nnimap-shell-program
                                          "/usr/lib/dovecot/imap")
                                         (nnir-search-engine imap))))

I then go to the server buffer and close the connection, after which
opening it again works fine, although I tipically get one or more
duplicate {nnimap:dovecot} entries.

Any ideas on what's going on? Thanks for the help.

Generating article numbers in new backends

2013-04-08T22:50:35

Hello,

I'm writing a backend in which articles come in with SQL ids. These are
monotonic, and unique even over groups.  My understanding is that this
is suitable, but breaks some things. For example, upon implementing
`nnmybackend-request-list', I noticed that the active file format that
this function produces makes Gnus incorrrectly guess the number of
articles in every group.

Is the above harmless and can I just use these SQL IDs for article
numbers? If not, what is the best practice for generating Gnus-specific
article numbers? I've not been able to find documentation on any helper
functions for this. I perused nnimap and nnrss's source, but it's been
of no help.

Must I keep a local mapping of SQL IDs to Gnus article numbers? Can I
use the registry for that purpose?

Thanks,

Thread and Followups scoring rules.

Oleksandr Gavenko — 2013-04-08T21:44:21

This part of (info "(gnus)Score File Format") very hard to understand:

  Six keys are supported by this alist:
    `STRING'
     If the key is a string, it is the name of the header to perform the
     match on.  Scoring can only be performed on these eight headers:
     `From', `Subject', `References', `Message-ID', `Xref', `Lines',
     `Chars' and `Date'.  In addition to these headers, there are three
     ...
     down group entry _considerably_.  The final "header" you can score
     on is `Followup'.  These score entries will result in new score
     ...
     Following this key is an arbitrary number of score entries, where
     each score entry has one to four elements.
     ...
       4. If the fourth element is present, it should be a symbol--the
          "type element".  This element specifies what function should
          be used to see whether this score entry matches the article.
          What match types that can be used depends on what header you
          wish to perform the match on.
       ...

         "Followup"
               This match key is somewhat special, in that it will
               match the `From' header, and affect the score of not
               only the matching articles, but also all followups to
               the matching articles.  This allows you e.g. increase
               the score of followups to your own articles, or decrease
               the score of followups to the articles of some known
               trouble-maker.  Uses the same match types as the `From'
               header uses.  (Using this match key will lead to
               creation of `ADAPT' files.)

         "Thread"
               This match key works along the same lines as the
               `Followup' match key.  If you say that you want to score
               on a (sub-)thread started by an article with a
               `Message-ID' X, then you add a `thread' match.  This
               will add a new `thread' match for each article that has
               X in its `References' header.  (These new `thread'
               matches will use the `Message-ID's of these matching
               articles.)  This will ensure that you can raise/lower
               the score of an entire thread, even though some articles
               in the thread may not have complete `References'
               headers.  Note that using this may lead to
               nondeterministic scores of the articles in the thread.
               (Using this match key will lead to creation of `ADAPT'
               files.)

So I can put to all.SCORE:

  (("Followup"
    ("gavenkoa< at >gmail.com" 1000 nil s)
    ("Oleksandr Gavenkoa" 1000 nil s)))

How this differ from:

  (("references"
    ("gavenkoa< at >gmail.com" 1000 nil s)
    ("Oleksandr Gavenkoa" 1000 nil s)))

Seems that this paragraph document 'I/L f/t' commands?

Are there any useful usage of 'Followup' and 'Thread' as permanent setting in
all.SCORE?

How to activate and debug of 'gnus-use-article-prefetch'?

Oleksandr Gavenko — 2013-04-08T20:35:36

(info "(gnus)Asynchronous Fetching") say that:

   You can control how many articles are to be pre-fetched by setting
   `gnus-use-article-prefetch'.

But docs doesn't say if (setq gnus-asynchronous t) required for this.