http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8811 Hi, I'm using the style 'shaped' for all my frames (floating and non-floating), i.e.: de.defstyle("*", { bar = "shaped", }), However, the tab width depends on the maximum tab width in their containing frame. Is there any way for the individual tabs to only stretch as far as their own title width? Kind regards, Oskar Nordquist 2008-11-29T23:18:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8807 Marc Hartstein 2008-11-19T03:18:02 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8792 Hello, When I create a workspace, it is named: <empty frame> And when I start a program in it (an xterm, firefox) the name changes to that. But what if I want to permanently rename that workspace to: "my favorite xterms" (or whatever) and have that name/title stick ? Second, I'd like to change the height of the title bar slightly and have that new height apply to all future title bars. How can I do that ? Many thanks! Juri Mianovich 2008-11-13T19:07:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8791 I'm trying to do something very simple: [ Thu 2008-11-13 12:56 (US) || Thu 2008-11-13 19:56 (UK) ] I'm just trying to display two timezones at the same time in the statusbar. Since 'date' is already included in the statusbar by default, I am trying to do this without writing a new script. I have tried two things: First, I: cp /usr/local/lib/ion3/lc/statusd_date.lc /usr/local/lib/ion3/lc/statusd_ukdate.lc and then uncommented, and changed the /usr/local/etc/ion3/cfg_statusbar.lua template line to: template="[ %date || %ukdate || load: %05load_1min || mail: %02mail_new/%02mail_total ] %filler%systray", But the statusbar just has a "??" in it for "%ukdate", even though that script exists. ALSO, I am not sure how I would edit statusd_ukdate.lc to have a +7 hours in its 'date' command, since the .lc file is not text, but just binary data. So that attempt did not work well - was I close ? Is there any way to just copy and quickly edit the _existing_ date script and stick it into my systemwide template ? My second attempt was to just change the default date_format line in cfg_statusbar.lua to output multiple dates: date_format='%a %Y-%m-%d %H:%M (US) || %a %Y-%m-%d %H:%M (UK) This ^^^ DOES work, but I do not see how to modify the: %a %Y-%m-%d %H:%M to add a +7 offset to %H ... --- which of these two strategies should I continue to pursue ? Again, I don't want to write new scripts since the date script is _already_ written and I just want to reuse it ... Thanks. Juri Mianovich 2008-11-13T19:05:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8769 What--and I am serious--about rewriting Ion in ... Haskell? (Haskell ... just in case: I have entertained myself in Miranda and Hope a bit already, but those are not *free*; plus, while not looking like cpan.org, hackage.haskell.org is not ... nothing; seems also to me that the Haskell community is growing in size -- hooray.) Why so?!, because Ion is written--shudder--in the US-dollar of the programming languages anno 2008 still; hence, Tuomo (but not only he) has, to ... I am paraphrasing Torvalds, play at the "masturbating monke^H^H^H^H^Hreindeer" every time he needs to change something in the code that goes beyond cosmetics, and be it as as an experiment only, quite likely. ( C's *expressivity* oblige.) I skip mentioning other advantages in general, moreover I am sure Tuomo perfectly knows that Compiled Haskell is as fast than C, and that there is a Haskell Lua interpreter. (Haskell -> Riot ... which I never have tried by the way.) Yes, there is at least another window manager which is written in Haskell, XMonad (which seems also interesting), so what?! Does taking good or better decisions/options mean that others have to stick within the crap? Ion's development is managed in a way that the *popularity* of a language doesn't matter too much, as long the source can be easily compiled. Lua may be fun, but Haskell (and other modern functional languages) are no match ... on standard environments at the least. And as a neophyte I would be much more interested in learning Haskell than Lua anyway. (To let us understand further: XMonad should use configuration files written in Haskell.) dwm and all its clone and derivatives look like nano (the editor), or pico of the window managers pretty much to me, where ion could be vi; I never (but I am going to change that) have tried xmonad. Who knows, it might be nice to write a vim, or better, an elvis of the window managers ... Haskell alone would not bring us much far by itself. But Tuomo should have got some nice insight and original ideas in the topic--usable window managers--meanwhile ... does he? /Roy Roy Lanek 2008-11-10T07:53:46 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8763 Hi. Here: http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/faq/entries/Saving_layout.html it says: ------ How do I save workspace and frame layout? Ion does it automatically for you when you exit it cleanly. ------ Can ion be configured not to do this? I would like to read my layout always from saved_layout.lua but not save it automatically on exit. I will save it manually when I want. Thanks Daniel Daniel Clemente 2008-11-06T10:13:42 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8759 Hi all, I did not found in the docs neither in the archives, so I coming to you guys. Is there a way for me to place the tab below the frame, instead of on top of it? Eider Oliveira 2008-10-31T14:21:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8756 Hi, I use ion as my WM of choice, at home as well as at work. I use a couple of workspaces, every one configured to perform a certain task, or make this task easier. One of these workspaces contains Xnest with a Citrix client running Lotus Notes (Citrix is by far the whorst App to run on any Unix host since it behaves like a window manager in every regard except for displaying icons of its iconified windows). Anyway, I'm using the scratchpad rather often on this workspace, it's a tool that comes in handy when I receive a mail to create a new user, for example. Open scratchpad, enter the commands in the terminal contained in it, and everything is done without ever moving a window or switching a workspace. But: The location or the geometry of the scratchpad often hides some information I need, so I found myself changing its size regularly. So recently I tried floating splits instead of the scratchpad. It's not that bad, but I need to use the mouse to move it around. And I remembered how much I hate moving anything around the screen... So, I would like to have some commands to manipulate either the scratchpad or a floating split: - making it (dis)appear - resize and reposition it (to be a column on the right side of the screen, or a row taking all screen width on the bottom half of the screen, or even resizining it to scatchpads default size). Thing is: I've no idea how to do this, and hope for your help. Yes, I did take a look at lua, so I'm afraid to do some coding. I just don't know what ion3 resources I need. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as well as any configuration that I could use as an example. Regards Christian Walther Christian Walther 2008-10-30T13:13:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8754 I have a tiled workspace with a WFrame named 'Aux' and the following 'Aux' kludges: defwinprop{ class = "OpenOffice.org 2.4", target = "Aux", } defwinprop{ class = "Acroread", instance = "acroread", acrobatic = true, target = "Aux", } Both Acrobat and OpenOffice open in the 'Aux' frame as desired, but starting OpenOffice moves focus to the 'Aux' frame. Acrobat does not change the focus. Changing switchto from true to false doesn't seem to change this behavior. Is there a way to configure ion so that OpenOffice leaves the focus alone the way Acrobat does? John Harrigan 2008-10-13T16:46:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8749 I love the new ion maximize behavior, just makes me smile to see even the status bar go away when I use it. I've been trying to figure out where the problem is with maximizing any of the flash video players out there, google, youtube, etc to the frame they're in. They all try and then return to the normal embedded player mode. Does anyone have any input into that? panman 2008-10-08T03:58:26 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8744 I seem to be stuck in a position where I can't move a transient window. I have my pidgin (.im) buddy list nice and narrow on the right of my screen. When someone wants to add themselves as a buddy of mine a transient window pops up but half of it is hidden and when I move the buddy list to another (bigger) frame the transient doesn't move with it. when I right click on the transient all I see is "Close, Attach Tagged, Clear Tags, Window Info" resizing the frame the transient is in doesn't help either. I've put up a screenshot at http://wtwf.com/tmp/pidgin.png is there an easy way for me to get this transient window moved around? ark A K 2008-10-07T18:08:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8740 Hi, I'm running ion-3-20081002 on my tablet and I would like to use one of those programs that emulate a keyboard end recognize the handwriting. Cellwriter (http://risujin.org/cellwriter/) looks like the kind of program I'd like. There is a problem: once the text has been recognized I must press a button to send it to the focused window and of course with the sloppy focus model the windows is never the one I'd like to but cellwriter's one. My question is, is it possible to force a window not to have focus even if the pointer is on it (something similar to what happens to the rest of the windows when the scratchpad is visible)? If so is it a winprop? Etn40ff vulk.stell-nc/lrvXPQ4s< at >public.gmane.org 2008-10-05T15:55:03 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8738 Some minor fixes again, including a few that should've already been in the previous release. Tuomo Valkonen 2008-10-02T15:54:49 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8734 If I detach a window from a tiled frame, then toggle it to full screen mode, and finally toggle it again from full screen mode to normal size, the window is automatically reattached to its original frame. Is this a bug or an expected behavior? Regards -Carlos Carlos Pita 2008-09-25T14:01:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8707 I think the screen size of mod_sp window too small for me, how to enlarge it? sunway 2008-09-22T04:53:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8704 At any moment, a frame is either in the scratchpad area (Mod1+Space) or not. I would like to have a single key which commutes between the two states. It would do this action: - If the scratchpad is open, then move the current frame (inside the scratchpad) to the window below the scratchpad. Don't close the scratchpad - If the scratchpad is not open, then move the current frame to the scratchpad. Don't open the scratchpad In both cases, that key would make a frame quickly „disappear“. A single key works for both actions A use case is: When moving TO scratchpad, you're asking the frame to go away because you have to work with more important frames. At the scratchpad you find always the unimportant frames. Pressing that same key again you can place them back in the main area. I haven't succeeded in coding it (actually I found ion3 very complex to grasp and extend). How can this function be programmed? Thanks, Daniel Daniel Clemente 2008-09-21T17:23:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8703 I have a problem where my button bindings sometimes aren't detected on an empty workspace. It doesn't always happen but can be consistently reproduced with the following steps. My .xinitrc: #!/bin/sh conky & ion3 My cfg_binding.lua: defbindings("WScreen", { bdoc("Switch to next/previous object within current screen."), kpress("Super_L", "WScreen.switch_prev(_)"), kpress("Super_R", "WScreen.switch_next(_)"), bdoc("Display the main menu."), kpress("Menu", "mod_menu.bigmenu(_, _sub, 'mainmenu')"), }) 1) start X without a .ion3 directory 2) use F9 to create an empty workspace named Root 3) exit X 4) add cfg_binding.lua to .ion3 directory 5) add the following line to global cfg_ion.lua: dopath("cfg_binding") 6) start X again 7) use mouse to focus right split (i.e. empty split, not conky split) 8) Use Menu key to bring up menu and 'Run' xterm 9) exit xterm 10) use Super_L to switch to Root (i.e. empty workspace) At this point Super_L and Menu won't do anything when pressed. If I use the mouse to bring up a menu the key bindings will start working again. Also, if I switch focus to the conky split before using Super_L to go to the the empty workspace the keys will function as expected. I'm using ion-3-20080825 and lua-5.1.4. Conky is configured to draw to it's own window, not to the root window. John Harrigan 2008-09-21T16:20:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8699 Hello all I'm using Ion3 on my ubuntu box integrated in gnome where I followed the instructions given here: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ion3 One problem i couldn't solve myself is still out there. I can not play flash videos in firefox in fullscreen - when i press the fs button the video goes fullscreen for one moment and then returns to the original state. What can I do? Can this misbehaviour be solved with winprob options? Thanx for any help on this. Cheers Andre andre hollstein 2008-09-21T14:01:30 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8697 (With advance apologies to Tuomo :)). Thomas Themel: your mod_xinerama module works great, with one exception. Version mod_xinerama-20070719 has this one extra line: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- mod_xinerama.c Mon Apr 9 16:32:12 2007 +++ ../ion-3-20080825/mod_xinerama-3/mod_xinerama.c Sun Sep 21 00:03:22 2008 < at >< at > -63,0 +64,6 < at >< at > + /* Only keep track of mod_xinerama screens in ioncore_g.screens + * so that ioncore.goto_next_screen and goto_prev_screen wrap + * properly. + */ + ioncore_g.screens = NULL; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ over version mod_xinerama-20070409. I'm running ion-3-20080825, and that particular line causes problems. With that line enabled, ion crashes on restarts. Without that line, everything works great. I haven't poked around to see why this happens, but if you could shed some light on the issue and why that line appeared in the latest version (and if it also crashes for you while restarting), that would be great. Thanks! Timandahaf 2008-09-21T04:19:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8693 I'd like to be able to "move" (rearrange) workspaces. To do so, I hadded the following code to cfg_ioncore.lua: defbindings("WScreen", { Timandahaf 2008-09-20T02:22:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8684 Hi, First of all, thanks for the great work in ion3, it's really my preferred window manager, and I use it everyday. I'm writing to the list to ask for advice, specially from Tuomo Valkonen, about how to create ion3 binary packages. As an ion3 fan and archlinux user, I had created a packaging script (this is called PKGBUILD in archlinux - it's a shell script that builds a package) some time ago, so I could easily recommend ion3 to friends that use archlinux too. Until now, I have only distributed this script, but I was planning to distribute pre-built binary packages. So I'm asking here to be sure I'm not infringing Ion trademark license and to be sure I will not attack Ion's reputation or image in any way. The packages will be purely vanilla - it will not include any patches against ion3 source code. It's purely the official released source code. The packaging script is located at: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ion-3/ion-3/PKGBUILD It simply builds ion3 with a system.mk file adequate to match the default system directories at archlinux (/usr/bin for binaries, /etc/ion3 for etcdir, etc.). The system.mk file I use is located at: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ion-3/ion-3/system.mk When building, the packaging script copies the release date to a script that runs when the user tries to install ion3. This install script is located here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ion-3/ion-3/ion-3.install The install script calls a small Lua snippet to compare the release date against the system clock. If it's more than 28 days older, it displays a message to the user, alerting the package is potentially outdated. I can change this message if you think it could be rewritten in a better way. Should it be enough to produce freely redistributable binary packages? I will always do all I can do to provide the latest version packaged to my friends and to anyone interested in ion3 that uses archlinux, but I would like to be sure there would be no problem before starting to distribute any binary packages. Thanks a lot and best regards, Paulo Matias Paulo Matias 2008-09-12T17:12:34 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general