http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9280 <pre>Hi , its me again :). Let say that i tagged few windows on some workspaces, i moved to another one and i want all tagged windows moved here. Simple function which do it is local function tagged_move(group) local region=WMPlex.attach_new(group,{type="WGroupWS",name="name",...}) ioncore.tagged_attach(region) end it works ok when destination ws is empty, problems appears when its not. I think the nice way to do it woild be by using 'ioncore.tagged_first(true)' or 'ioncore.tagged_i()' but first one some how doesnt want to return tagged region. Im sure that there is some extremely simple solution for it so if somebody knows it pls help. My second question is if it's possible to rearange WS and how to do it?. Till now i havent had enough time to think about it but it wold be nice possibility Best Regards Lukas </pre> £ukasz 2011-01-03T18:24:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9267 <pre>Hi, I want o task if its possible to restore previous ion session ( tob explicit, i created some workspaces, puted in nice order programs etc. and suddenly i have to restart computer, so i have to reorganize workspaces again). I havent found appropriate module or ion function to do this. Regards Lukas </pre> £ukasz 2010-12-22T04:05:26 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9259 <pre>So, I just set up a fresh, clean install of my OS and I'm now looking to install missing critical software. Which brings me to Ion3, and you all. The most up-to-date information I could find was on Wikipedia, which points me at: tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software the Notion fork: http://notion.sourceforge.net/ the Anion fork: http://code.google.com/p/anion3/ What should I be installing? And why are there two forks? ~fantasai </pre> fantasai 2010-11-13T07:24:58 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9257 <pre>Since I put up a new site with an archive of my software, a few have asked me to return the non-blog online as well. I don't think that will happen. I can't be arsed to start blogging again; it's a waste of time. I shortly entertained the idea of combining the good/essential material into a longer “Goodbuy, suckers!” anthology, but... even pissing on Linux (desktop *nix) is a waste of time. Ignorance is a bliss, and I'm much happier ignoring it all and sticking to Windows. Windows 7 is, in fact, not that bad at all. Yeah, I have been using Windows 7 for some weeks now. It's surprisingly good, far more keyboard-usable than previous releases of Windows.. let alone popular Linux DEs, which have always been inferior to Windows. Of course, I'm looking at everything through the Trackpoint-glasses; I probably would find W7 far less usable if I only had a normal mouse or, *shudder*, or had to rely on the shotgun err.. touchpad. One reason for the improved keyboard-usability is the integration of search into Windows 7. No more browsing of endless menu and dialog hierarchies (esp. control panel and startmenu), just search. No need for third-party launchers, which never worked very well on XP; just hit the Windows key and start typing. In a way, this is a partial return to the command line interface. Maybe there's still a trace of sanity left in the world. Windows 7 even supports proto-tabbing and proto-tiling. By "pinning" an application/shortcut to the taskbar, you can use Win+number to cycle through instances of that application. (The visual indication of the chosen instance when cycling is too weak, though; the currently focussed instance is much more strongly indicated.) And with Win+left/right arrow, you can throw a window to the left or right side of the screen, which is almost the only layout I ever used in Ion, aside from full-screen (and Ion4, if I had started working on it, would have been more based on restricted layouts like this). I just wish you could adjust (maybe you can) the widths of windows thrown this way, as in the "split-float" tiling mode of Ion, where frames could partially overlap each other. On a small laptop display, most windows are simply too narrow without some degree of overlapping. In any case, the ideas introduced in PWM and Ion seem to be catching on, at least in diluted forms. My first gripe is that it still doesn't have a sensible "safely remove" feature. Still a fly-crap-sized system tray icon... which is even hidden by default, an otherwise excellent feature for all that annoying crap that everyone wants to put there. That or opening explorer (which is the only way by default to even mount anything on the POS OpenSUSE at the office...) And even with all the other improvements on keyboard-usability (after you enable the display of accelerator keys, which is idiotically disabled by default) the fact remains that the choice of keybindings suck, a lot of things depending on poorly-accessible cursor keys etc., instead of something closer to the typing position. Fonts... difficult to say, because the display on the Thinkpad X201 is so awful -- the worst I've ever come across -- that the constant shifting of everything on the display in reaction to minute movements of the head is more annoying than the blurring that W7 almost insists upon. (You need to do a lot of work to replace the semi-hard-coded Segoe UI everywhere, to get rid of the blurring.) That said, the blurring on W7 seems better than on any other OS... depending on the font of course, and the fact that the display has so crappy contrast. I should try to get around to trying it on a semi-decent display. But all desktop displays have so horrible DPI that any kind of blurring immediately induces uncontrollable vomiting. It really sucks that there are no decent displays these days: desktop displays have shitty DPI, although you can get IPS, and laptop displays are too shallow and generally el cheapo TN-film crap, although the DPI is somewhat more reasonable. (But most smartphones have even better DPI... and have higher-quality displays too, with far better viewing angles than laptops.) Yeah... I finally gave up on trying to run Modern Bloatware(tm) on the aging T43 (with its splendid although a bit dim IPS panel), and got a new laptop. I'd have preferred a desktop computer with an IPS panel, but since a desktop display is difficult to lug when moving around the world, that's presently no option for me. And the low DPI would make my eyes bleed anyway. I was also not going to buy a big laptop with a shallow display, so a netbook or an ultraportable was the only option. Preferrably a cheap netbook, as I wouldn't want to pay much for the crap that you get as laptop displays. But netbooks are not significantly more powerful than the T43... so X20[01] it was, as I need the pointing stick. Fortunately you can get a little-used demo machine on Ebay for a somewhat more reasonable price than the list price. For idling use - random web surfing, etc. - even the 12" shallowscreen dimensions suffice, but viewing PDFs is painful as expected due to the lacking vertical dimensions of the screen. And no photo-editing, etc., can be done thanks to the piss-poor quality of the display. At least my ears love the computer with its SSD, when my eyes don't... (Well, ok, that turned out to be some kind of substitute for a new non-blog entry, and a waste of time. Just to show you suckers that I'm sticking to Windows.) </pre> Tuomo Valkonen 2010-10-27T21:32:44 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9254 <pre> In case someone still cares, an archive of all the code and stuff is online at http://iki.fi/tuomov/software/ . </pre> Tuomo Valkonen 2010-10-10T18:23:34 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9250 <pre>We see it once again! The failure of FOSS! The failure of IT! NOBODY, almost NOBODY, is actually interested in making stuff NOT suck. NOBODY is interested in the long-term. All interest lies in short-term satisfaction. All interest lies in simply making shit run on an ever growing pile of shit. We see the ENGINEER at work. We see the BUREAUCRAT at work. We see them shake hands with the MARKETDROID and the POLITICIAN. They will provide the chrome polish. Did we perhaps forget somebody? </pre> Fake Tuomo 2010-04-09T09:56:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9239 <pre>mailing lists notion-general: notion-general-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org notion-devel: notion-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe: https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=314802 irc channel: #notion (&lt; at &gt;freenode) </pre> M Rawash 2010-04-08T19:20:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9209 <pre>LICENSE: http://git.decadent.org.uk/gitweb?p=ion3.git;a=blob;f=LICENSE;h=fdfa652c68cd5d06ec2383e7ea4429e6dc5cb4d0;hb=e3aec18706513a87eaa7839dfdaf7e0fcd0d8d2a What counts as an association? notion, ion-ng, nion, cation Can the custom LGPL additions in the license be removed from a fork fulfilling the terms? The additions doesn't really make sense in a renamed fork, but I'm not really a lawyer.. Any comments Tuomo? I assume you are unwilling to revert the license, even if we ask nicely? :) Maybe this has been discussed before too? </pre> Ole Jørgen Brønner 2010-04-07T18:39:27 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9202 <pre>It seems that most of the recent participants of this mailing list prefer notion as the name for the forking project. But there were other proposals like cation or nion. Should we do an "official" voting (maybe by just by replying to this email with +1 for this or for that) or is the name notion now considered a given? Hope that we get the ball rolling after this decision has been made...next will be choosing a project leader (i would vote for Timandahaf) / chief developer (I would vote for M Rawash here), but this should be done in another thread... </pre> Alexander Rink 2010-04-07T16:21:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9176 <pre>LOL and behold! Let the developer disappear and freetarcy begin! Forks! Project leaders! Managers! More project leaders! Forks! Knives!... But there is no spoon! Managers! Of Managers!.. But who's going to do all the work? Modern Features! -- No original ideas! Managers! FREEDOM with a CAPITAL BOLD ITALICS rot blinkenlicht F! .. But no originality! Forks! Clones! Managers! Support for MODERN crud upon MODERN crud! No original ideas! Clones! A distaste for ANCIENT crud that wasn't crud until it was crushed under a pile of MODERN crud of originality score minus ten! Managers and project leaders! Let the forkfight begin! </pre> Fake Tuomo 2010-04-06T20:31:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9169 <pre>Hello, I'm very happy to see that I am not the only one who is using ion3 and thinks about the future (I already posted about this at the archlinux forums). I fully support the idea of forking it, choosing a new project name and continuing the development. I would suggest the following name: - nion (interesting about this name is, while it would be an acronym for not-ion, it is also the irish name of the fifth letter of the Ogham alphabet an probably meaning "fork" as I read at wikipedia and what we are doing here is a fork, isn't it? :) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nion) If I could be of any help (e.g. taking one of the managing positions Timandahaf mentioned), I would be glad to do it. Best regards </pre> Alexander Rink 2010-04-06T16:41:18 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9160 <pre>http://folk.ntnu.no/bronner/temp/ion3/ionconf http://folk.ntnu.no/bronner/temp/ion3/repos I don't have the ion-3 and mod_xrandr-3 repositories. I'm not certain that the repos are complete either (ie. checked out with --complete). Does anyone know how to check this? Only a temporally mirror though. (uni account might expire in a year or so) </pre> Ole Jørgen Brønner 2010-04-05T16:36:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9133 <pre>now that tuomov has finally severed his last remaining connection with ion, what do we (committed ion users) do now? I spent the last few days committedly trying out other WMs, and i can say this with absolute certainty: there's nothing out there that's even comparable! (the closest thing i could find, in terms of what-you-can-do, was 'awesome', but it subscribes to a very different philosophy than ion's, and is kind of a mess) so, I need to hear some ideas about the future of this project (not simply suggestions for other WM's; i will NOT switch to anything that's currently on the market, and that's my final decision!), I do have a few ideas of my own, but i want to know what everybody else thinks; after all, I'm just new-comer compared to the majority of the remaining users here (been using Ion for only a few months now), I don't know anything about the community (or what's left of it), how it works, or how the author's actions affected it. so i think it's best of somebody else took the initiative and got this conversation going... regards, M Rawash </pre> M Rawash 2010-04-04T22:54:31 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9130 <pre>Hi all. How can I tell ION to NOT grab the keyboard ? I've ask that because I try to use some «complexe» software (in fact blender), and he have use lot of F1 --&gt; F12 keyboard shortcuts. I don't known how to change that (and I'm don't want to). So I would like to known if it's easy to make ION don't do anything when I launch blender all ION is disable ? Regards. NB: Tuomov : where is your web page about ION ? http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ give me a error. </pre> Albert Shih 2010-03-30T20:13:32 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9127 <pre>hi, is there a simple way to disable 'mousefocus' on certain clients (a on-screen keyboard, for example)? </pre> M. Rawash 2010-03-19T12:33:41 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9124 <pre>Hi, is mod_dock supposed to implement the freedesktop system tray spec? I'm asking because recent versions of both knetworkmanager and nm-applet fail to show up in the dock for me, which is slightly annoying. Does this work for anyone, are there workarounds? In ancient days, I could attach missing dock windows by name, but apparently in this case they don't show up. ciao, </pre> Thomas Themel 2010-03-03T08:50:53 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9121 <pre>hi, i make use of nested (WTiling) workspaces alot, but whenever i switch to a workspace using the mouse (either by clicking or using the mousewheel) the cursor jumps to the first 'tab' in that workspace, this is extremely annoying (especially in the mouseweel case), how do i stop this behaviour? thank you, M Rawash </pre> M Rawash 2010-02-10T22:21:01 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9119 <pre>I want to be able to move an entire workspace from one screen to another. I tried (using the context menu), Workspace-&gt;Toggle Tag, and then went to a new workspace in the other screen, and did Workspace-&gt;Attach Tagged. What did this is: it created a new floating workspace, put all my tiled, tabbed windows from my original workspace into this new WGroupWS, and then attached this WGroupWS to the other screen. I'd hoped it would attach the tiling itself into the workspace on the other screen. Any ideas on how to do this? Thank you! </pre> Timandahaf 2010-01-14T22:35:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9110 <pre>Hello thank you for ION. I have the same problem i can't use fullscreen mode. I try your solution but it's don't work. I had ioncore.write_savefile("windowinfos", cwin:get_ident()) but there is not file "windowinfos.lua" I'm on Debian and i use iceweasel. uname -a Linux LMG 2.6.31-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 16 04:44:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux and i use iceweasel. I had the block defwinprop { class = 'Iceweasel', instance = 'Navigator', match = function(prop, cwin, id) return is_fullscreen(cwin); end, switchto = false, flash_fullscreen = true, } but nothing. See my cfg_kludge_flash.lua: _NET_WM_STATE = ioncore.x_intern_atom('_NET_WM_STATE', false) _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN = ioncore.x_intern_atom('_NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN', false) function is_fullscreen(cwin) local state = ioncore.x_get_window_property(cwin:xid(), _NET_WM_STATE, 4, 1, true) if state then for k, v in pairs(state) do if v == _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN then return true end end end return false end defwinprop { class = 'Firefox-bin', instance = 'Firefox-bin', </pre> Tony Emma 2009-12-13T22:38:34 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9108 <pre>I've a French keyboard and I used META.."oe" for the scratchpad (the key left of number 1). It worked well when I launched X with gdm. Now I don't use gdm anymore and launch ion with startx. And the key only works after a restart of ion (with F12). The other keys seem to work. Any idea of what gdm does to make that key available and why it works after a restart ? [I'm on Debian Lenny] </pre> cc 2009-12-08T17:12:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/9104 <pre> More on this issue: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general/8897/match=scratchpad (Scratchpad stuck in max size "mode") If my scratchpad is touching any screen border when I restart, ion will forget to write sizepolicy="free glue" to the saved_layout.lua file, and after restarting it will then take up the whole screen and not be resizeable. If the scratchpad is not touching any border when I restart, saved_layout will show the "free glue" entry for *scratchpad* and will function properly. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009</pre> Canaan Hadley-Voth 2009-12-05T03:16:23 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.window-managers.ion.general