http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100907 Hey, I've been working with XP for just over two years, pairing nearly the whole time but one of the areas where I have yet to see it used effectively is when debugging a problem as a pair. In these situations I often feel completely lost as my pair moves around the code base exploring options - I've tried asking what their thought process is and how they work out where to look next but it seems more of a hindrance than adding value. Anyone got any ideas of how to pair debug more effectively? 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The question I have is this - the developers are all, as I mentioned, domain experts in their own individual (but related) fields. They do not all work on the same features at the same time, and therefore they will each compelete their individual tasks at different points and with different frequencies. Would it be proper to take a fixed team-level iteration approach with a group like this? What is the alternative - give each developer their own fixed duration release cycle? Avoid fixed release cycles all together? Thanks in advance! Kevin Trethewey Driven Software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Kevin Trethewey (Driven Software 2008-11-20T13:57:02 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100900 "With all the recent talk about the Decline and Fall of Agile, I've seen a number of comments about how we should focus on the Values and Principles of the Agile Manifesto and not on the practices of any one approach. I agree with this to a point. Once a team has matured within a particular process then absolutely they can really begin to tailor it to suit their local circumstances using the Values and Principles as their guide." http://practicalagility.blogspot.com/2008/11/practices-do-matter-at-first.html Dave Rooney 2008-11-20T10:24:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100846 Hi, Agile-ANN is for announcements that can be about almost anything: * courses * jobs or consulting gigs that are open * new or existing groups * group meetings, conferences * services offered * etc., etc. Read 'em or post 'em. Here: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Agile-ANN/ And join. You'll be surprised how much you'll observe about the Agile community just by watching. The hope is that regular discussion groups will can be for...well...regular discussion. Scope is worldwide. Please tell others about this Agile-ANN list. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Joseph Little 2008-11-17T17:16:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100834 When Agile Projects Go Bad Your software development projects can benefit from Agile - assuming it's really what's used. Learn about the sins that have been committed in the name of "Agile." With input from two of the Agile manifesto signatories. http://www.cio.com/article/464169/When_Agile_Projects_Go_Bad ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! 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Regards, Joe ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Joseph Little 2008-11-17T17:06:36 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100798 Hi all! This is my first post to this list. I'm an open-source developer, essayist/blogger, advocate and organiser of real-life events. I use Linux at home, and primarily develop in Perl, but also in other languages. While I'm not doing fully XP-style development, I've been employing some XP-related methods like TDD and refactoring when doing FOSS development, and am interested in software management and philosophy. For more information about me refer to: * http://www.shlomifish.org/ * http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/ * http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/ Now to the issue I'd like to raise. In "Refactoring" by Martin Fowler, Fowler says that one should expect to have duplicate code in the code of their automated test suite, and that's perfectly acceptable because many of the rules of refactoring don't apply to one's test code. So for example we can perform several assertions on one object which was initialiased using some parameters, and then perform similar assertions on another object that was initialised using different parameters. And then with slight variations, etc. However, in "Perl Best Practices" Damian Conway says that one should apply the principle of avoiding duplicate code in their test suite as well. I don't recall him giving many arguments for this (and neither did Fowler in his counter-argument), but it makes sense in the sense of reducing line count, avoiding duplicacy and ease of maintenance (in case an API was broken, etc.). I'm not sure what is the correct approach here, which is why I'm asking for your opinion. Personally, I've been duplicating code in my test suite a lot (including by using copy-and-paste) but also been extracting a lot of testing code into testing-specific methods, classes and loops, when I found that it's gone out of hand. So I haven't consistently followed either approach. What are your thoughts about this issue? Regards, Shlomi Fish ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Why I Love Perl - http://xrl.us/bjn88 Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! 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Here is a link to my blogentry on it: http://blog.shino.de/index.php?/archives/18-Skillset-development.html I appreciate feedback whether to follow this scheme or if it turns out to be a dead-end. Kind regards Markus Gärtner ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Matt 2008-11-12T19:18:52 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100657 Hi All, For those attending the SQE Agile Conference in Orlando, or for those in the area, I wanted to let you know about a joint Tampa Agile/Orlando Scrum meeting this Wednesday at 6:30pm with special guests Linda Rising, Johanna Rothman and Mary Poppendieck. You can find more information at the Agile Florida website: http://www.agileflorida.com/2008/11/08/rising-rothman-and-poppendiek-oh-my-orlando-talks-wednesday-1112/ Thanks! Cory Foy 2008-11-11T02:54:09 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100582 Hi guys, On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 19:59, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries< at >xprogramming.com> wrote: What if the team insists they're already doing a perfect job? I struggle with that sometimes; I try to point the team to problems (above-zero defect count, struggling to at least get one active work-item done by end of Friday, etc), but the rest of them think it's just me looking for fault and being cranky. Responses like "you worry too much" or "you're never happy, are you?" are common. Are there any gems of motivational knowledge that I can apply? How do you go about this practically, letting the team select practices? Thanks, - Kim ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! 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Thanks in advance - Jared ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ jaredhirsch 2008-11-08T18:35:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100562 Hello all. I am currently coaching a team into being a little more agile. I am not the technical coach, I am simply trying to help with the adoption of Scrum an the right values at the management levels. The shop is .NET and rather tied down into it, for a little "sales" web-site they want to hammer together while testing the ideas of Scrum and further the ideas of XP's engineering practices I suggested they try and find something lightweight. Personally I had hoped they would go for something like RoR (simply because I understand it better), but their choice is their choice. Team and all :) Now my question is, there any MVC/ORM (kind of like RoR) like framework for .Net (including all the Ajax goodness, maybe a bit of REST) that I can reflect back to them on Monday? Of course they shall make the choice, but I would like to show them that I also care about this and invested a bit of time into it. I did google and peek about, yet it would be great to hear some ideas from you all. Of course I would like to take into account that this framework should make it "easy" to stick to the values an principles of engineering that you can find so well represented in XP. Thank you David H. 2008-11-08T23:57:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100484 To Whom It May Concern, Because of the significance of the work, and because of demand, I decided to publish the results of my research with VDM Publishing LLC. The web site is www.vdm-publishing,com. The book is entitled: "Customer Satisfaction and Agile Methods", and the ISBN number is 978-3-639-09476-3. The research surveyed 185 projects, and the results proved to be quite controversial, provocative, and unexpected. You will not look at agile methods the same way after you have read my book. You will not believe all of the hype that has been written about the use and results of agile methods. The next time that you read something on agile methods, you will think of my research. You will come away from my book with a greater understanding of what agile methods are all about, and what they can and do achieve, but more importantly, what they cannot and do not achieve. If you are interested in agile methods, but are unsure whether they are the right software development methods to employ, then my book is for you. In my book, you will find hard data on the characteristics of projects, participants, and whether agile methods are the only software development to use to satisfy your customers. I invite you to contact VDM Publishing LLC regarding my book entitled "Customer Satisfaction and Agile Methods", and find out for yourself the real value of employing agile software development methods rather than plan-driven software development methods. Donald L. Buresh, Ph.D. 3115 Enoch Avenue Zion, IL 60099 Tele: 847-872-1659 LoganSquareDon< at >sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ donald.buresh 2008-11-07T09:33:53 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100483 Hi, I was thinking of facilitating a pairdraw excercise: http://www.industriallogic.com/games/pairdraw.html For those of you who have used this excercise: When pair drawing, should the team be instructed to take turns drawing one line at a time, or do you let them self-organise? If so, do you usually see the behaviour with taking turns and completing each others work emerge naturally? In most pictures in the example you can see this behaviour... I would prefer the self organise approach, if it manages to get the points through in such a short time, but I also also can imagine that the uncertanity introduced by having people taking turns gets them more focused, attentive and into teamwork. So what do you think? What is the most efficient way to set this excercise up? What is your experience? - Henrik ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Henrik Berglund 2008-11-07T09:03:43 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100448 advance for the duplication.>> project url: fluentspec.com Introduction "Name classes and operations to describe their effect and purpose, without reference to the means by which they do what they promise. This relieves the client developer of the need to understand the internals. These names should conform to the UBIQUITOUS LANGUAGE so that team members can quickly infer their meaning. Write a test for a behavior before creating it, to force your thinking into client developer mode." -- Eric Evans There is one main principle behind FluentSpec: simplicity. It automates the test setup, removes the Test Doubles and leaves a minimal footprint on test code. It merges classical and mockist styles of TDD with a BDD mindset. Its ultimate goal would be to help shifting our thinking into client developer mode, enabling the flow of Supple Designs. FluentSpec is a natural evolution in the field of unit testing. It can be described from a mockist standpoint but it is not a prerequisite to possess this knowledge. Mock frameworks have been proven hard to understand by newcomers into the world of TDD. That is one of FluentSpec's strengths; it should feel natural for experienced TDD'ers and easy to grasp by novice minds. The main concern for minds discovering TDD should be to find a comfortable test cycle length. A test cycle is one round of red/green/refactor. The shorter the cycle, the more fluent the process becomes. FluentSpec simplifies that cycle by eliminating all the noise and promoting the three-phased testing pattern of Setup, Exercise and Verify. These phases provide a stable structure for the tests, allowing the developer to put more focus on finding descriptive names. That is where this framework does the magic. It provides a fluent interface with sentences starting from the BDD terms of Given, When and Should. This triggers the flow of the Ubiquitous Language from a client perspective. When these sentences are structured in phases the test becomes a user story that serves as a specification of the SUT's behavior. This leads to code that is easier to understand and modify -- in a word, suppler. Once the story is created, the next step is to go back to green as soon as possible. FluentSpec excels in transparency here. The programmer controls the isolation levels by virtualizing methods and abstracting dependencies. The more we abstract, the less concrete code that needs to be written and the faster we get back to a green state. FluentSpec hides the test double behaviors behind BDD intentions: The SUT is a state-machine that behaves like a Stub on Given, a Spy on When and a Mock on Should. Every test cycle ends with a refactor following the DRY principle. Since the story was written with a fluent interface, the refactor can be easily driven with automated tools. This is a natural feature in most mock frameworks. However, FluentSpec makes it simpler by making the methods and properties of the SUT part of the method chain instead of arguments with delegates and closures. BDD is a particular strategy of TDD that catalyzes the distillation of the Domain by setting up a conversation about the SUT from a client's perspective. Since clients don't care about the hows, implementation details are removed from interfaces and the code becomes simpler to understand. As a side effect it also becomes more encapsulated and easier to change. These are the fundamental characteristics of Supple Designs. FluentSpec wishes to lend a helping hand on their discovery. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ mike 2008-11-06T07:05:14 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100421 Hi Xpers, In TOGAF and RUP we have some sort of knowledge management and some call it Information Architecture(not Business Architecture). What is the equivalent in XP. Do you guys know a good website that can point me to the right direction? The problem I have with XP is that some of the people do not share as expected of them. This causes some individuals being perceived to be more important than the team. The other problem that is really cropping up now is that these people have started to influence the young ones to think that if they please these guys they are covered. There are some cases were this has lead to the undermining of the actual problem that they are solving for the customer just to be seen as good to the masters. If a young guy comes form outside his view are not recognized by the older staff and the younger ones always want approval from the older ones before implementing them. Any pointer will be good, M. ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ monde_hans 2008-11-05T12:41:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100413 I was inspired watching the live telecast from Chicago of the people celebrating with the new to-be 44th President of the United States of America and heard his emotional speech. I felt that we too in the Agile Community can draw inspiration and motivation from him. Congratulations, you guys in the US for having elected a great president for yourself, and hopefully for all of us in this world. We look forward to him steering a new set of Values in all our thinking around Responsibility, Accountability, Transparency and Relationships. As a member of the Agile/XP community, I too would like to join all of you and shout today "Yes, We Can" . God Bless Kripanidhi http://www.binaryessentials.com ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S M Kripanidhi 2008-11-05T05:41:48 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100396 Today we had a post iteration meeting with the rookie Scrum Master of our pilot team. Since I bugged you guys at the beginning I thought I would share some observations. This is a distributed team with the Customer in England, the Scrum Master/Architect in NJ, the programmers in Mexico, and the QA guy in India. There was about two hours per day of overlap. The team liked the process very much, and especially enjoyed the daily meeting aspect. Enjoyed might be strong but they found it very useful and don't want to give up the daily meeting. They got a lot done with only one change in a four week sprint where the customer swapped a new story for one that had not been started. The programmers have discovered a need for unit testing and will ask for an infrastructure story to add Junit tests to the high use modules. They will also explore TDD - they are concerned that it will slow them down but are willing to give it a whirl. I asked the SM to project himself a few iterations into the future and consider the codebase without unit testing - we were on a conference call, but I'm pretty sure he shuddered. They were able to use the time difference between dev and qa to good advantage in a code, test, meet cycle. The team wants automated regression testing - this is something I've been beating the drum on and agile has exposed the problem in a way that gets programmers' attention. The programmers want access to the tests that QA runs so they can avoid defects - I have already set this up. They did the stories in parallel but will try to break them up differently to reduce their WIP for the next sprint. We still have a long way to go, but I think we're off to a good start. We have other teams and customers starting sprints and we'll expose many of the same issues. The key question is how well we address them. Thank you guys for all the feedback. Feel free to put me on a better path. I would really like to get all our Directors and Managers into some kind of Scrum|Lean|IXP course in conjunction with a direction-setting management retreat - hopefully get everybody on the same page. Mike Mike Coon 2008-11-04T23:34:44 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming/100384 In October 6th 2008 a new freeware program for XP and SCRUM projects tracking and management called `Sprintometer' was published on site www.sprintometer.com. This simple and rather unusual program was originally created by people working on offshore agile projects for their own purposes but now we decided to share it with agile community. Any feedback from XP experts is highly appreciated. From Russia with love...to agile! :), Sprintometer Development Team. ------------------------------------ To Post a message, send it to: extremeprogramming< at >eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >eGroups.com ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:extremeprogramming-digest< at >yahoogroups.com mailto:extremeprogramming-fullfeatured< at >yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: extremeprogramming-unsubscribe< at >yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ sergei.andrz 2008-11-04T16:03:51 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming