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HTML export

Dave Yost — 2011-04-14T19:09:06

It would be a shame to remove the feature because nowadays paginated 
docs very often need to also be presented online as HTML.

This feature works pretty well. It just needs some fixes.

OO Writer needs Forward and Back toolbar buttons a la web browsers

Dave Yost — 2011-04-12T16:38:43

This feature has been adopted by many other kinds of apps other than web
browsers. For example, IDEs have the feature, and the Mac Finder has 
the feature.

Writer and possibly other OO apps should have the feature.

A further enhancement is to go to the previous (and next) site where something
changed (i.e. like forward and back except skipping the locations where nothing
changed.

I don't propose that forward/back would work across other OO apps. Just Writer.

I tried to post this in the bug database, but that bug got closed, 
and I was told to post it here.
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117789

Dave

P.S. I am not on this list, so please cc me in replies

Better default settings in the dialog of Sheet - Insert for Calc.

tora - Takamichi Akiyama — 2011-04-12T11:19:51

Hello,

Is this a right place to go?

Better default settings in the dialog of Sheet - Insert for Calc.

User Scenario
  1. Start your task with Calc.
  2. Done with Sheet1.
  3. Done with Sheet2.
  4. Done with Sheet3.
  5. Now you need a new blank sheet.
     Insert - Sheet; [OK]

     Oops, the newly created one, Sheet4, is inserted before the Sheet3.
     == Sheet1 Sheet2 [Sheet4] Sheet3 ==

  6. Move the Sheet4 after Sheet3.
     == Sheet1 Sheet2 Sheet3 [Sheet4] ==

  6. Done with Sheet4.
  7. You need another sheet.
     Insert - Sheet

     This time, you know there is an option in the dialog.
     Choose (x)After current sheet; [OK]

     Good! The sheet5 is inserted after the sheet4.
     == Sheet1 Sheet2 Sheet3 Sheet4 [Sheet5] ==

  8. Done with Sheet5
  9. You need an additional sheet.
     Insert - Sheet

     Hey, why doesn't it remember what I chose last time?
     Choose (x)After current sheet again; [OK]

  The phenomenon above is confirmed with OOo 3.3.0 Windows and DEV300_m100 Solairs Intel.

What I want
  1) It could be better if the default choice is altered.

    Current
      (x)Before current sheet
      ( )After current sheet

    Proposal
      ( )Before current sheet
      (x)After current sheet

  2) It could be further better if Calc will remember what a user chose,
     at least, during a session until OpenOffice.org quits.

     Persistence across restarting OpenOffice.org might not be required.

Best regards,
Tora

Draw & ODF-Next: 3D and WebGL

Leonard Mada — 2011-04-09T20:46:26

For the UX experts to digest, too:
How can OOo benefit from 3D?
What will the future bring?
How will 3D interact with existing technologies?


Dear TC,

now that Firefox 4 is out, bringing WebGL to the public, I would like to ask the TC to look at opportunities to bridge ODF with 3D-worlds.

I am referencing one of my 2008-posts on the OOo list:
http://openoffice.org/projects/ux/lists/discuss/archive/2008-09/message/78

Point (3) goes like this:

A brief explanation:
I do not think that ODF has to reinvent 3D languages. These are probably well represented. But I think that ODF will have to integrate 3D langauges and interoperate with 3D specific software. And this process should start rather early than too late.

Sincerely,

Leonard

Imress Presentation describing NEW OOo features

2011-04-09T18:43:40

Hello UX-members,

for the next OOo-release, I was revisiting an old post:
http://openoffice.org/projects/ux/lists/discuss/archive/2008-07/message/85

What about an interactive Impress-presentation describing the NEW features?

In the HELP-Menu, there could be a new entry: Presentation (or Vignette or New features). It will open an Impress-presentation in (partial) Slideshow-mode.

Partial Slideshow = NO Impress controls, BUT not occupying the whole screen (still somehow windowed).

Optimally: first page allows selecting which features to view:
- General new features
- module specific new features (Writer, Calc, ...)
- All (important) new features (i.e. General + Writer + Calc + ...)
[so, the Impress-presentation should become interactive]

Just a thought.

Sincerely,

Leonard

text size settings

Rainer Nyberg — 2011-04-07T16:21:20

Hi
Thanks for the brilliant applications in Open Office. I love to work in them.
Because I am working on a book manuscript where I change often between (10pt) 12 pt and 14 pt size of fonts, I have a question OR suggestion:

When I want to change from 14 pt to 12 pt (or 10 pt) font size (in the SIZE "hole" to the  right from the FONT) I only see 14 pt and BIGGER, 16, 18 ... 36 pt sizes options. 
Can I (or can you experts in the next version?) remake the settings of font size so when I work in 14 pt  I would also see 10 and 12 pt size as options WITHOUT using the mouse to move the blue scroll bar on the right hand side of the little "hole" or window in the top tool bar? 

Thanks a lot for all the work you have done!
Rainer

Rainer Nyberg, professor emeritus
FIN-65280 Vasa, Finland
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Joining the Team

Marvin & Monika Dyck — 2011-03-21T17:21:24

I want to know if my participation in the team is appropriate or might be beneficial.

I am a senior citizen, age 70, determined to make computer programs more user friendly for seniors. We are the fastest growing age group and we are being left behind in this information age. This situation is not only personally embarrassing and frustrating but also a detriment to our families and society as a whole: (1) as grandparents we are role models for our children but that status is downgraded by 8 year old grandchildren that now see us as being obsolete; (2) We have a lot of life experience that is denied to society because we have difficulty accessing and passing information. I am better than most seniors that I know and I have difficulty with complex programs, many seniors are to afraid to even touch a computer.

The primary problem with seniors is; deteriorating learning ability and memories loss. After several hours I discover how to do a particular action but, if I don’t repeat it several times I won’t remember how I did it and have to go through all the help and trial and error again next time I need to do it. Yesterday my computer suddenly started overwriting instead of inserting a word, it took two hours to solve that problem.

As we get older we get more concerned with: maintaining contact with widespread extended families; passing on, or preserving information (autobiographies, pictures, documents etc) for future generations; and, participating in politics, church, community and charities. All of this is very difficult, sometimes impossible without reasonable computer competence.

A couple of positives; drop down hints, spell check and thesaurus are excellent.
The worst problem is trying to get out of something that happens automatically.

I could write pages about specific problems but will leave it at that. I believe that making computer programs (not just open office) more user friendly for seniors is not only beneficial to society but also a large untapped market. If anyone is interested in pursuing this I would be willing to provide input either as a team member or otherwise, whatever works to get the job done.

Any suggestions as to the best way for me so pursue this venture would be much appreciated.

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joining the User Experience team

Karol Gancarz — 2011-03-08T21:45:28

Hi,

I'm interested in joining and contributing in the User Experience team. I've tried to do so using the below link on the project's main page:

Request project membership

However, the page is "not found".

Could you please help me with joining?

Thanks in advance for help.

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Signing off

Michael Pless — 2011-01-13T21:28:55

Hi everyone,

I think it is time I parted ways with this group, and not without some 
regret. But also with some disappointment.

I have enjoyed the discussions and contributions that everyone has made 
and I think there are some terrific ideas and people here. My commitment 
to OOo remains as strong as ever, and I have looked around at other 
office suites, but not found one that offers nearly as much as OOo, 
until I look at the offerings of MS and Corel. MS is profoundly 
overpriced, and last time I looked at Corel, it was mired in the past.

That said, I think OOo does itself something of a disservice, for some 
very powerful features do not make themselves readily apparent, though 
addressing this is part of the function of this list and UI group(s).

The relative quietness of this group has hurried my decision along. That 
and a degree of confusion as to what exactly is going on: I don't know 
what I am supposed to be doing.

Shortly after I joined, I was able to see a mockup or two for a new 
interface in Impress and though there was some discussion, it didn't 
progress, and I got the feeling that this mockup was to be the new 
standard for the UI, despite significant deficiencies and some strong 
negative feedback from the community. Meanwhile, the Symphony group at 
IBM have essentially gone their own way with Symphony 3 and the 
resulting application(s) is/are very slick though not without flaw. I 
would dearly like to use a wordprocessor that does not make me long for 
applications I used to use over a decade ago.

Along the way, I have from time to time, bluntly asked what is our next 
step, what do we need to accomplish short-term, and what is our ultimate 
time-frame for completion. I don't know answers to any of these questions.

There have been short bursts of activity when a question about one 
aspect or other of the UI has been raised and so too, when a new member 
asks for a feature or alteration that is particularly interesting to 
them. I remain unconvinced that this a good way to go, and feel that a 
single, defined goal is better and ultimately more productive.

Meanwhile, the release of iPad and the forthcoming Android tablets may 
well present opportunities for OOo, as well as raise questions about the 
direction of this project. Cloud-based office applications are also 
maturing. There are also rebranded/reworked OOo versions that look to be 
moving on, LibreOffice amongst them.

I'm sorry to sound so negative but when I try to list achievements for 
this list, I find too few for the time I've been involved.

There are some great minds and wonderful people on this list and I wish 
them all the best with the project and their professional and personal 
lives.

Regards,

Michael P

Better Default Ideas

Christoph Lukasiak — 2011-01-12T14:19:33

moin ux folks,

please keep on adding your ideas for better defaults here (several of 
them are currently integrated *):

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Improving_OOo_Default_Settings


for a better overview over the project or a first impression, please 
have a look here:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Better_Defaults_General




* 
https://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.ShowCWS?Id=9464&logon=true&OpenOnly=false&Section=All

bye chris
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Clu)

Non Modal Message System for OOo

Frank Loehmann — 2010-11-23T15:04:35

Hi,

The current version of OpenOffice.org uses modal dialogs to give 
feedback in many situations. This interrupts users every time such a 
dialog is shown. We have discussed this many times at the OpenOffice.org 
UX team and Christoph already made some mock-ups way back. Furthermore 
there are several implementation out there handling this mode less 
notification in other applications for a long time. So no rocket science 
but very helpful new UI controls to improve our user interaction.

Please have a look at the following wiki page:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/NonModalMessageSystem

The designs are not final.

Feedback welcome.

Best regards,

Frank

Need a cue to tell users how to add text to drawing objects

Hood Family — 2010-11-20T01:43:38

Hi again everyone.
I'm wondering what you think about this:

To add text to a picture or a shape (or probably other objects, but I
haven't checked)
you just need to select it and start typing. But how is the user
supposed to know this?

It isn't necessarily intuitive, particularly for someone coming from
other software.
They can spend a very long time trying to find out how to add text to an
object, and
may give up. And if they don't use the feature frequently they may
forget (I did!)

This would be a real pity, especially since OOo "contours" allow text to
be handled
so much better than in the primitive competition, and "edit points"
works so much
better.
(for entertainment see the workaround Microsoft called "easy":
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint-help/wrap-text-around-an-object-in-powerpoint-2007-HA010282114.aspx
MS must get a lot of complaints, because the Powerpoint 2010 help
includes an
apology and no longer calls it "easy")

How could OOo let people know how to add text?
What about an "add text" entry in the right-click menu? It would need a
tooltip
explaining that they can also just select the object and start typing,
otherwise most
people would never realise this.

Otherwise I thought maybe a message in the status bar when an object is
selected;
but in Writer the status bar is already full.
Maybe a tooltip for the object? Does OOo support tooltips for file
content? I don't
think I've ever seen one.

Has anyone looked into this before? Perhaps there's something I'm missing?

Regards,
Alister

OpenOffice.org Document Icons Redesign - We need your screenshots

Andreas Bartel — 2010-11-18T16:59:25

Dear all,

we would like to collect many  screenshots of folders that contain 
various documents. These can be anything, on any operating system. There 
is Wiki page you can use to present your material:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODF_icons_i-team#User_generated_screenshots

However, please ensure that you remove any file or folder names such 
that no personal information is visible in order to protect your privacy.

Thanks a lot!
Andreas

Floating contextual toolbars steal focus

Hood Family — 2010-11-17T12:20:16

Hi everyone,
I noticed that when the autocorrect "replace bullets with" option is 
turned on in OOo Writer,
when it replaces a bullet, the "bullets and numbering" toolbar steals 
the focus. 
This only occurs if the toolbar is floating, not if it is docked.
The same behaviour occurs with other contextual toolbars, and it seems 
very user unfriendly
to me.
Does anyone have any other thoughts?
Could it be fixed?

Regards,
Alister