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    <title>HL problem - New List returns same ID 2x</title>
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    <description>Ok situation -
I have 4 HL areas, hl_Display1 -&gt; hl_Display4
these are declared as longints on form load

I use a generic routine to populate these HLs with records.
I populate hl_Display1 with records during load of the form

Selecting a list item loads selected item related records into 
hl_Display2 and so on through hl_Display4.
What I am finding is that the command

New List

is returning the same list reference 2 times.
(for example)
- on load of the form I populate hl_Display1 (list ID 2)
- I select an item from hl_Display1, which populates hl_Display2 (and 
gives it List ID 5)
- I select an item from hl_Display2, whch populates hl_Display3 ( ** 
BUT ** the command new list returns the list ID 5)

So now I have 2 list reference variables which have the same list 
reference (they shouldnt), of course now the entire interface is fubar.
-----
Additionally I have noticed, is this correct behavior?

Clear list (List_ref) -- leaves the list_ref longint value the same, 
and subsequent calls to New List fails to change this value.
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    <dc:creator>Chip Scheide</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-05-16T17:34:46</dc:date>
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    <title>Load Record Error - V11</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73482</link>
    <description>This will work OK in 4D 2004, but the Load Record command causes an 
error in V11.  It's actually just the last 2 lines that cause the 
problem, I'm just creating a record so I can delete it. :)

CREATE RECORD([Test_Data])
SAVE RECORD([Test_Data])
DELETE RECORD([Test_Data])
LOAD RECORD([Test_Data])


Where I run into this problem is when changing read write access to a 
table.  I have a method to control this, which unloads any records, 
changes read write access, and then reloads the record.  In my code I do 
something like this:

Query([Test_Data];[Test_Data]ID=123)`Find a record
D_Access(True;-&gt;[Test_Data]) `Call method to get read write access to table
DELETE RECORD([Test_Data])
D_Access(False;-&gt;[Test_Data]) `Call method to set read only access to 
table, which will unload record, change access, and reload causing error.

I guess I need to experiment some more, but do I no longer need to 
unload the current record in V11 before changing table read write access?

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    <title>Printing oddity</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73478</link>
    <description>I have a form which prints at 52% via :

Set print option(Scale option;52)

This prints correctly on my printer (Xerox Docuprint n2125), previous 
printers used in this lab (HP laserjet 4000, Docuprint n2125) and on 2 
of its current printers (Xerox Phaser 4500, and IBM 15??).  All of 
these are black n White laser printers

 - BUT -

the Xerox Phaser 8560 (solid ink color) which was recently installed 
does not seem to respect this setting -
any ideas??

THanks
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    <dc:creator>Chip Scheide</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-05-16T16:58:25</dc:date>
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    <title>Bandwidth needs for 4DAF site.</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73473</link>
    <description>Hi,

This will be my first internet website. I do not really have any idea on
what kind of speed I need from my ISP to host it. I have about 25 users
expecting maybe 5 concurrent users.

Should It be on a dedicated line? Currently have 1.5Mbs down 384kbp up. Can
go up to 4Mbs down 768kbs up. Lousy I know but, I'm in a small town in
Oklahoma.

Thanks for suggestions.
Chase
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    <dc:date>2008-05-16T14:47:04</dc:date>
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    <title>Footrunner - Footprint</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73471</link>
    <description>Hello All,

I tried to download the latest release of footrunner, but the links on
their page seams to be dead.

Does anybody know, if footrunner will work with 4D v11 nativ on OS X?


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    <dc:date>2008-05-16T09:27:26</dc:date>
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    <title>[4DAF] Query problem</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73460</link>
    <description>Hi,

I have a little problem and was hoping someone can give me some direction.
Somewhere in the process of upgrading to v11.1 release 1 (for v2004) or
shortly after all of the queries on the DCS's quit working. The few views I
have with physical tables all work fine.  I have places a TRACE inside the
DAX_DevHook_QueryFilter and it will never get hit. Firebug reports 4DAF
error Internal4DError: 53 and the query fails before that point. If this
error is consistent with most Error: 53's in the 4D world it is Indice out
of range.

The query works fine on the few views that I have with physical tables but,
all of the DCS's are broke. Anyone have any idea's?

Thanks,
Chase
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    <dc:creator>Chase Setters</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-05-15T21:18:58</dc:date>
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    <title>Creating Plain-text bullets...</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73459</link>
    <description>On the Mac you can type Option-8 to get a bullet in a plain-text  
document (or alpha or text filed or variable) that will show and  
print...

Now, on a Windows machine, what character can I use to create a bullet  
(like Option-8 on the Mac)?

Thanks,

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    <title>Display of Field Updates on Form</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73456</link>
    <description>To All,

I am seeing a strange situation re display of field updates on a form  
opened by a MODIFY RECORD command.  I have some buttons on the form,  
that when clicked, update the values stored in some fields of the  
record.  Some of the fields immediately display the updated values on  
the form, but others do not.  I have some fields that always show the  
updates, some fields never show the updates and some that show the  
updates some of the time.  These results are on Mac OS 10.4.11 using  
4D 2004.6r2.  If I switch to Windows 2000 or XP, the display results  
that show sometimes on Mac do not display at all.  I have tried all  
of the trickery that I can think of without being able to obtain  
reliable results.  Any ideas?

Bill Desjardin
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    <dc:creator>Bill Desjardin</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-05-15T18:22:06</dc:date>
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    <title>Accessing 4D data file residing on a remote volume</title>
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    <description>To all

I have a client who has used a custom 4D 2003 client-server database running
on Windows to collect clinical data over the past 10 years.  They have now
migrated to a major hospital information system.  However they want to
archive the 10 years of clinical data and wish to access it in the 4D
database after it is archived.

Constraints are:
 Transferring the data to the new system is not an option
 They want a single-user configuration
 The program file and 4D need to reside on a local client running Win XP
SP2 or possibly Win2K SP4
 For security purposes the data file (780 MB) needs to reside on a remote
secure shared volume
 The hardware for the shared volume is an EMC NAS storage server, the file
system is NTFS, and the OS is (possibly) Win 2003 server (EMC is the
manufacturer, and NAS stands for Network Attached Storage)
 The network connection/protocols between the client workstation and the
shared volume are TCP/IP over WAN
 The shared volume will be secured through user/group access set by
permissions; if there is any need to write to the data file this can be done
if the user has modify permission

Given this configuration, would there be any problem in the single-user
client running the 4D clinical application to access the 4D clinical data
file residing on the shared volume.  In my mind I would not think so, but
wanted to check on this list with people with more experience in sunch a
configuration.

Thanks in advance.

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    <title>Printing page 1 of X</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73445</link>
    <description>I thought I would be able to do this easily but its not working out...

Client has asked for an addition (to an existing report that uses  
PRINT FORM) of a 'Page 1 of X' label in the footer where X is the  
total number of pages in the print job. Since the print out is an  
invoice style job, the number of pages is based on the number of  
records used. However, some of the lines can grow to accommodate text  
as well.

Only way I can think to do this is to print the entire job, grab the  
total number of pages, cancel it, and then reprint it. However, if I  
print the entire job, then call PRINT BREAK(*) instead of PRINT BREAK  
then redo it again normally, nothing happens the second time.

My pseudo code...

For ($loop;1;1)

  main printing done here using PRINT FORM and PAGE BREAK(&gt;)

   If ($loop=1)
    vL_TotalPages:=Printing page
    PAGE BREAK(*)
   Else
    PAGE BREAK
   End if

end for

Thanks.


Later,
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    <dc:date>2008-05-15T00:06:29</dc:date>
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    <title>Tracing a Trigger</title>
    <link>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.inug-4d.tech/73441</link>
    <description>I know this has been discussed before, but my attempts searching the 
Archives couldn't find the answer.

I've placed a TRACE in some trigger code. I would expect this to bring 
up the trace window on the server, but I'm not seeing anything. I'm also 
not seeing any evidence that would indicate the trigger is stalled 
because of a TRACE.

I have restarted the 4D Client that would invoke the trigger.
I have restarted 4D Server.

I seem to recall that there was some special trick to get this to work. 
There may have also been some circumstances where it wouldn't work.

If it makes any difference I'm viewing the 4D Server via a RDC session?

4D Server 2003.7 running on Windows 2003 Server
4D Client 2008.7 running on Mac OS X Server (10.4.11)

Thanks,

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4D News May 14, 2008
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Summary:

[1] 4D Road Show

[2] 4D Summit 2008 Registration Is Open

[3] Invest In Your Future at 4D University

[4] New Tech Note

[5] Weekly Tech Tips Posted

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[1] 4D Road Show - Discover 4D v11 SQL in a Town Near You!
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BMW, Saab and Volvo are all proud 4D customers, but you don't need a fancy
car to hit the road with 4D this summer. 4D is bringing the show to you,
with technology that'll get your business running faster than ever.

4D is proud to announce the Discover 4D v11 SQL Road Show, beginning in
California and winding its way to Massachusetts.

We will be at the following dates and locations:

Cupertino, CA on May 28, 2008 
Seattle, WA on May 29, 2008 
El Segundo, CA on May 30, 2008 
Schaumburg, IL on June 2, 2008 
New York, NY on June 4, 2008 
Alexandria, VA on June 5, 2008 
Woburn, MA on June 6, 2008 

Come see why this amazing technology will allow you to discover new avenues
of opportunity that you never knew existed. A free morning session is
complemented by an in-depth afternoon training session for professional
developers.

You must sign up to attend, so to register and to learn more please visit
http://www.4d.com/discover4D and get on the road to discovery today.

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4D Summit 2008 will be held on October 7-10 in Long Beach, CA!

4D v11 SQL and the upcoming 4D v11 SQL Server are bringing big changes 
to the world of 4D. In addition, the web application world is also 
changing, with the addition of Flex technology to the range of choices 
open to web application developers. This year's Summit is designed to help 
you learn the most about these new technologies in just a few intense days.

New to the agenda this year: two different full-day Pre-Class options, 
led by members of the 4D Web 2.0 Pack development team and 4D University 
instructors.

Even better, Early Bird pricing is in effect for the 4D Summit from now 
through August 1, 2008.

You're not going to want to miss this year's Summit, so sign up today! 
Please visit the Summit website &lt;http://www.4d.com/summit&gt; for full 
conference information, or the 4D Store &lt;http://store.4ddepot.com/smmt&gt; 
to sign up right now.

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[3] Invest In Your Future at 4D University
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Invest in your abilities and your future -- 4D University is excited to
offer even more all-new courses to help you achieve that!

You can sign up for these classes today:
-4D for Lunch: Macros in 4D v11 SQL
-Beginning SQL for 4D Developers
-Introduction to JavaScript
-Introduction to the 4D Ajax Framework
-Graphical User Interface Design
-Database Indexing in 4D v11 SQL
-Application Building with 4D

Visit &lt;http://www.4d.com/training&gt; for more information on all classes
listed above, including scheduled class times.

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[4] New Tech Note
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Object Storage in 4D v11 SQL Using Native Commands

4D v11 SQL has extended the capabilities of hierarchical list items to allow
storage of Object-like structures. The same hierarchical list item may have
values of different types; i.e. numerical, string or boolean. 
In other words, you can associate a dictionary with each list item.

Using the commands SET LIST ITEM PARAMETER and GET LIST ITEM PARAMETER, you
can store Objects using native 4D v11 SQL Commands.

Tech notes are exclusive to members of the 4D Partners program. For more
information, please visit &lt;http://www.4d.com/support/partner.html&gt;

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The weekly tech tips for the week of 5/12/08 have been posted to the 4D,
Inc. Web site at: &lt;http://www.4D.com/support/techtips.html&gt;

49296How to simulate mouse click and key press by using POST EVENT
command
&lt;http://www.4d.com/knowledgebase?CaseID=49296&gt;

49297Are Form Object Libraries compatible with 4D v11 SQL?
&lt;http://www.4d.com/knowledgebase?CaseID=49297&gt;

49318Code Refactoring of Changed Table and Field Names
&lt;http://www.4d.com/knowledgebase?CaseID=49318&gt;

493104DAF: How To Disable Searching From Hidden Fields
&lt;http://www.4d.com/knowledgebase?CaseID=49310&gt;

49326My 4D v11 SQL merged application keeps closing, what do I do?
&lt;http://www.4d.com/knowledgebase?CaseID=49326&gt;

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    <title>Growing a text box vertically for display or printing</title>
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I have used 4D since version 1.0 and have never seen this problem.  Last
version I worked with was v6 about seven years ago.  I now have version 2004
(8.0.7) and have the following problem:

I have a number of forms that must display onscreen and additionally print
an output form.  The output form has a text field that should grow
vertically if there is more text then what can be displayed on the first
line.

This is not working for me during display or printing.

Does anyone have an answer to this?

Also, why is it that 4D does not grow the text box automatically at
printing?  This is default in the PC world of Access and other databases.  I
am not advocating MS Access but this should be part of 4D right out of the
box.

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    <dc:creator>evbrowne</dc:creator>
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    <description>I have recently started setting table colors (background) and then 
matching the background color with incoming (arrow points at the table) 
relational lines - currently for tables with more than 2 incoming 
relations.

Anyone have any other ideas for making the structure (and especially 
the relation lines) "readable"?

Thanks
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    <dc:creator>Chip Scheide</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-05-14T17:07:54</dc:date>
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    <title>Syncing with iCal and Outlook</title>
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    <description>What is the best way to sync scheduler events with iCal on Mac and  
Outlook on Windows?

I know there is some kind of "Office" object library available from  
4D, but it's pretty old and it doesn't handle repeating events.

Does anyone out there have full scheduler syncing working with their  
4D app?

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Jeff Grann
SuccessWare, Inc.

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    <dc:date>2008-05-14T17:11:17</dc:date>
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    <title>windows os support</title>
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    <description>Hi all,


We are thinking of adding standalone bar code scanners to a customers  
application. The scanner people are talking about using a scanner  
with windows ce on it to communicate with 4d 2004 server. Anyone have  
experience running 4d client on such a beast, 4d widget (not sure of  
windows name for this), using soap to call 4d server db.


Any help appreciated.

TIA

Chuck


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    <dc:date>2008-05-14T17:09:52</dc:date>
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    <title>Problem with related record list display</title>
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    <description> 

I have a database that has been migrated from mac to PC for both client and
server, currently running 2004.7r3.

 

"RELATE ONE([file1]Name;[file2]Street Address)" is called from a form method
when the name field is changed. If there are multiple matches, the related
record list window opens, but all you see is the first field, the optional
field is not in the window, however if I expand the right border of the
window, the field is there. The name field in both files is alpha 40. I've
tried to reduce it, but the "white space" does not change. This worked
properly prior to migrating to the windows platform.

 

 

Any ideas?

 

 

Thanks - Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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    <dc:date>2008-05-14T16:50:46</dc:date>
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    <description>Hi,

I have read the 4D documentation and successfully created a test HTML help
within my 4d application. I know that there are at least 2 places in an
engined application to put the html files. 1 file next to the structure file
with the same name, and 1 or more files in the Mac4DX / Win4Dx folder. The
first file does respond to the F1 key, the others don¹t. In the menu bar the
two types are separated by a separator.

My questions (using 2004.7r3):
1. The help menu starts with another separator, giving the impression that
there can be another group of html files. Does anybody know why / where?
2. Are there more ³smart² places to put html help files?
3. Does anyone have other nice tips for setting up help within a 4D engined
app, running on Apple and Windows?
4. Are there important changes in 4D v11?

Thanks

Piotr Chabot Stadhouders
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    <description>Hi all,

First off I am using the built in client. I have a couple methods that need
to run when a user logs out to clear variable's and such. I found when you
close the window On Web Connection is not hit at all which, I understand.
How do I work around and run my methods if a user closes the window of the
browser vs. logging out?

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