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Adjusting line-spacing for markup column

J Ruiz — 2012-05-26T06:01:27

Hi,
I'd like to reduce the vertical spacing between the lines in this markup column.  How is this accomplished?
 
\markup {\column{  
    \line{Bla Bla Bla Bla}
    \line{Ble Ble Ble Ble}
    \line{Blo Blo Blo Blo}
    }
}
 
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include user defined postscript libraries into output

ArnoldTheresius — 2012-05-25T09:03:57

If you work a lot with postscript markups, you'll wish to have an easy method
to include 'postcript libaries' (usually prodecure sets) into the PS output,
which will be converted to PDF or other formats. Well, at least I do.

I tried to solve it in my 2.15.39 test installation.
I added to .../scm/lily.scm after line 40 the predefinition of an empty list
in which to collect the file names:
     (begin
       (debug-enable 'backtrace)
       (debug-set! show-file-name #t)))

+(define-public postscript-user-libraries '())
+
 (define-public PLATFORM
   (string->symbol
    (string-downcase
     (car (string-tokenize (utsname:sysname (uname)))))))

I added to .../scm/framework-ps.scm after line 398 the code to output of
these files to the intermediate postscript file at the end of the prolog.
The files will be searched in the defines lilypond search pathes:
   ;; adobe note 5002: should initialize variables before loading routines.
   (display (procset "music-drawing-routines.ps") port)
   (display (procset "lilyponddefs.ps") port)
+  ;; user wants PS library file(s) to include?
+  (if (not (null? postscript-user-libraries))
+    (if (list? postscript-user-libraries)
+      (for-each (lambda (ps-lib-file)
+          (display (ly:gulp-file ps-lib-file) port))
+       postscript-user-libraries)))
  (display "%%EndProlog\n" port)
  (display "%%BeginSetup\ninit-lilypond-parameters\n%%EndSetup\n\n" port))

 (define (ps-quote str)

For an user friedly definition of the PS files to include, I defined the
following function, which will prevent me adding a filename multiple times
into the collector list:
postscriptLibrary =
#(define-void-function (parser location file-name) (string?)
  (if (null? (filter (lambda (x) (string-ci=? x file-name))
postscript-user-libraries))
    (set! postscript-user-libraries (append! postscript-user-libraries (cons
file-name '())))
   (if (null? (filter (lambda (x) (string=? x file-name))
postscript-user-libraries))
    (begin
     (ly:warning "portability problem. filename entered again, but as a
caseinsensitive variant.")
     ;;DE: (ly:warning "Partabilitätsproblem. Dateiname wurde mehrfach
spezifiziert, aber in unterschiedlicher Groß-/Kleinschreibung.")
     (if (eq? PLATFORM 'windows)
      (ly:warning "path entry in \\postscriptLibrary ignored: ~a" file-name)
      ;;DE: (ly:warning "Dateiname in \\postscriptLibrary wurde ignoriert:
~a" file-name)
      (begin
       (set! postscript-user-libraries (append! postscript-user-libraries
(cons file-name '())))
       (ly:warning "path entry in \\postscriptLibrary added nevertheless:
~a" file-name)
       ;;DE: (ly:warning "Dateiname in \\postscriptLibrary wurde trotzdem
hinzugefügt: ~a" file-name)
      )
 )))))

I tested it with these definitions in an included LY file like this:
http://old.nabble.com/file/p33906716/ps-include.ly ps-include.ly 

My file to compile with lilypond did look like this:
http://old.nabble.com/file/p33906716/ps-test.ly ps-test.ly 

Finally, here is my postscript file which is to be included, which I put
into my 'private additions' Lilypond-Include-Directory:
http://old.nabble.com/file/p33906716/fine-script-sym.ps fine-script-sym.ps 


Finally my questions:
- Is it correct to put the declation of postscript-user-libraries into
lily.scm? Or is there a better file?
- Is it correct to use ly:gulp-file? Or is this wasting of memory because
the compete file will be read into memory before the output is done?
- Are there other PLATFORMs for lilypond, other then 'windows, which use
case-insensitive file names?
- Can the translations of messages (warning messages) be added without any
compiler?
- Is this sulution worth to be added to lilypond development?

how to enter notes quickly (midi keyboard available)

Klaus Föhl — 2012-05-25T17:28:02

Hello,

I like the lilypond notation using \relative being concise and readable.
Entering on a computer keyboard is fairly quick, but still it feels
that playing a melody line would be so much quicker. In particular
if one does not have a typing c4 d e f g1 style but c4 d4. e8 f8. g16 c,1

What "better" methods exist?

For example I have looked into rosegarden output. 
Minor issue:the output is not in relative notation.
More cumbersome are slightly non-aligned notes to the beat
(me being an imperfect human) and in particular varying
note lengths introducing rests where the music and the audible sound
both have none.

I have seen techniques where the pitch is via piano keyboard
and rhythm is via computer keyboard. I am not fully convinced.

I have seen a custom-designed computer keyboard that combines
pitch and duration. It might work well after a learning curve.

What I am tempted is to take midi file information (i.e. gunzip a.rg),
or the rosegarden ly output and reverse-engineer it into event lists.
Whatever the detail: only piano-keyboard input and get both pitch and length.

Then to apply some smart quantisation. For one thing notes like c1
are much more likely than c2... or alignment with bars is probable,
aspects that require some adaptive rules, possibly some parameter training.
Also the routine should pick up and follow the meter as played,
as opposed to techniques providing the rigid mentronome frame.

Well, before I reinvent the wheel myself: are such things already out there?

Cheers
Klaus

can't make custos engraver work properly

Wasil Sergejczyk — 2012-05-25T07:30:38

errors are the following:


programming error: No spacing entry from KeySignature to `custos'


here is the file:
http://pastebin.com/x6K9eJPK

lilypond version 2.15.40 (compiled from git official branch source),
operating system Ubuntu Linux oneiric.


i've found something from this maillist, but it's from 2003 and doesn't
seem to work now.
please, help. thanks in advance.

Beam position override flips notehead

J Ruiz — 2012-05-25T03:20:24

I wish to manually override the position of a beam, but Lily insists on flipping the direction of a notehead.
Any ideas on how to avoid this?
Thx, Javier
________________________
 
\version "2.14.2"
\score {
 \new Staff
 \relative c'{
     \once \override Beam #'positions = #'(-0.9 . -1.6 )
     c8[ c']
 }
 \layout {
       ragged-right = ##t
     }
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Barcheck errors with Timing.measurePosition and multiple voices

Nick Payne — 2012-05-25T02:26:21

With more than one voice, using Timing.measurePosition for partial bars 
results in spurious barcheck errors and also causes problems with 
automatic beaming:

\relative c'' {
     \time 3/4
<<
         {
             \partial 4.
             c4. |
             c8 c c c c c |
             c c c c c c |
             \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment -3 8)
             c4. |
         }
         \\
         {
             \partial 4.
             c,4. |
             c8 c c c c c |
             c c c c c c |
             \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment -3 8)
             c4. |
         }
 >>
}

If instead of using Timing.measurePosition I use Score.measureLength for 
the partial bars, then the barcheck and beaming errors disappear but the 
bar numbering is incorrect with multiple repeat sections:

\relative c'' {
     \time 3/4
     \override Score.BarNumber #'break-visibility = #'#(#t #t #t)
     \repeat volta 2 {
         \partial 4.
         c4. |
         c8 c c c c c |
         \set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 3 8)
         c4. |
     }
     \repeat volta 2 {
         \set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 3 8)
         c4. |
         \set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 3 4)
         c8 c c c c c |
         \set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 3 8)
         c4. |
     }
}

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Lilypond fails to compile music on mac, segfaults on Linux

Jeff — 2012-05-24T14:42:17

I'm trying to post a crash report.

It seems all my messages are getting bounced from the list server.

??

Jeff

Lilypond segfaults on Ubuntu, doesn't compile music on Mac

Jeff Barnes — 2012-05-24T14:26:45

The following music doesn't compile on the mac and causes a segfault on Linux.

Environments:
Mac OSX Lion
Ubuntu 12.04

LilyPond Versions
2.14.2-1 (mac)
2.14.2-2 (ubu from apt-get)

Command from ubu:
jbarnes< at >jbarnes-OptiPlex-780:~/mac/Documents/apc/music$ lilypond WhenILookIntoYourHoliness.ly 
GNU LilyPond 2.14.2
Processing `WhenILookIntoYourHoliness.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
Interpreting music... [8][16][24][32]Segmentation fault (core dumped)

There was no core file in the directory. Ubuntu sent a crash report yesterday.

Notes:
1) There is no error message when compiling (Cmd+R) on the mac. It silently fails.
2) If you uncomment out the lines indicated and comment out the lines following it will compile (2 places in the file).
3) if you remove the music after the problem areas, keeping the voice structure intact, it will compile.

Any help appreciated.

Jeff

\version "2.14.2"

pianoRH = \relative c''' {
  \time 4/4
  \key d \major
  <<

    \new Voice {
      \voiceOne
        a8 a a a a4. a8
        <a fis> <b g>4. ~ <b g>4 fis8 g
        a a <a d,> <fis a,> <a d,>4. b8
% uncomment the following line and comment out the next
%        <d, b a fis>2 <d b g e>4 <fis cis>8 <g dis>
         r8 <cis ais>16 e <d fis,> d, <gis eis> b <a fis d b>2
        a a a a a4 a8 a
        <a fis cis> <b g d> ~ <b g d> a16 a <g d g,>4 <fis cis fis,>
        r4 \times 8/7 { dis32 e g b d c b } \times 8/7 { gis a c e g fis e } \times 8/7 { dis e g b d c b }
        \times 8/7 { a g fis e d c b } \times 8/7 { a g fis e d cis b } a4 <fis'' dis b fis>8 <g e c g>
        a a a a a4. <a a,>8
        <a fis d a> <b g e b>4. r4 <fis cis ais fis>8 <g ees bes g>
        <a fis d a> <a e cis a> <a fis d a> fis \times 2/3 { <a e cis a>4 <a fis d a> <b b,> }
        <d, g,>8 <b d,> <g b,> fis16 g <a fis dis>8 <g e c> <fis dis b> <g e c>
        a a a a a4 a8 a
        <a fis d a> <b g d b>4 a8 <g d g,>4 <a fis d a>
        <g b,>8 <fis a,> <e g,>4 <e c aes g>2
        <e d b g>
\times 2/3 { <a fis d a>4 <b gis e b> <cis ais fis cis> }

        r4 <d' g,>16 <b d,> <b d,> <g b,> <g b,> <d g,> <d g,> <b d,> <b d,> <g b,> <g b,>16 a
        <b g d>2 \times 2/3 { <cis ais fis cis>4 <d d,> <e e,> }
        <a, e cis>2 ~ <a e cis>8 fis <a e d>4
        <b d,>2.. <fis dis cis ais>8
        \times 2/3 { <g e d b>4 <e g,> <fis a,> } <g b,>2
        r4 e8 e <d g,>4 <e a,>
        fis2 g
        a \times 2/3 { <a e cis a>4 <b b,> <cis cis,> }
        <<
          {
            <d b g d>1
          } \\ {
            \voiceOne
            r8. <d' g, d>16 <d g, d>8. <b d, b>16 <b d, b>8. <g b, g>16 <g b, g>8 <fis fis,>
          }
        >>
        <g d g,>2 \times 2/3 { <cis, ais fis cis>4 d e }
        a,2 <fis cis fis,>4. e8
        d2.. fis8
        \times 2/3 { <g b,>4 <e g,> <fis a,> } <g b,>2
        r4 e8 e <d b g>4 cis
        \change Staff = "bss"
        <d fis,>8 <a d,> <d fis,> <fis a,> <d fis,> <fis a,> \change Staff = "trbl" <a d,> <d fis,>
        <fis a,>2. <fis' cis fis,>4
    }
    \new Voice {
      \voiceTwo
      <e,, cis a>1
      <d b>2. <cis ais fisis>4
      <e cis a>4 s2.
% uncomment the following line and comment out the next
%     s2. <ais, fisis>4
      <d b a fis> <ais, fisis>4
      <fis' e cis a>2. <fis d a>8 <e cis a>
      s1
      <e b e,>1
      s1
      <fis' d a>2.. s8
      s1
      s
      s1
      <fis, d a>8 <fis d a> <fis d a> <e cis a> <fis d a>4 <e cis a>8 <fis d a>
      s1
      s
      s
      << {
        <d' a fis d>
         } \\ {
        s4 b16 g g d d b b g g d d8
         }
      >>
      s1
      s
      s
      s
      s
      e'8 cis d e d b cis d16 e
      fis2 s2
      s1
      s
      s
      cis8 b bes a gis2
    }
  >>
}

pianoLH = \relative c' {
  \tempo 4 = 120
  \time 4/4 
  \key d \major
  d,,4 <fis' a,>2.
  g,16 b d e \times 4/6 { fis e d cis b a } \times 4/6 { g fis e d cis b } a16 b f' ees
  d4 <fis' a,>2.
  g,4 ~ g16 fis e d c4 a
  <a' d,>2 <fis' a,>
  g,16 d' e fis <g b,>4 <b, e,> <a d,>
  <g c,>2 b,
  a2. <fis''' cis g>4
  d,, <fis' a,>2.
  g,4 <g' b,>2 <g a,>4
  d,2 <fis' a,>2
  g,4 <g' b,> <g a,>2
  d,8 a' fis' a, d, a' fis'4
  g,8 d' g4 <b, e,> <a d,>
  <g c,>2 bes,
  a2
fis'
  <g g,>1
  <a a,>2 <g' a,>
  <a fis,>2. <ais cis,>4
  \times 4/6 {b,,16 fis' b cis16 d cis } \times 4/6 { b fis d b fis d } b2
  <b'' e,>2 <g' e,>4 <a fis,> 
  <b g,>2 b,8 a16 b cis4 
  <fis d>2 <g e,>
  <<
    {
      \voiceOne
      a16 g fis e d a fis e d2
      \change Staff = "trbl"
      \voiceTwo
      s8. <g'' d b>16 <g d b>8. <d b g>16 <d b g>8. <b g d>16 <b g d>4
    } \\ {
      fis,2 s2
      g1
    }
  >>
  <g' e,>2 <g a,>4 g,
  fis2 ais
  b b,
  e'1
  a,
  d, ~
  d2 r4 <fis'' cis ais>
}

\score {
  <<
  \new PianoStaff <<
    \set PianoStaff.instrumentName = #"Piano"
    \new Staff = "trbl" { \pianoRH }
    \new Staff = "bss" { \clef bass \pianoLH }
  >>
  >>
  \midi { }
  \layout { }
}

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Jeff Barnes — 2012-05-23T19:40:42

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?ly2video - create videos from your LilyPond projects

FireTight — 2012-05-23T18:15:18

Hello,
my name is Jiri "FireTight" Szabo and I would like to introduce program
ly2video to you. This program can generate videos from your LilyPond
projects that contains moving music staff, which is synchronized to music (
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL444F0513202699C4&feature=view_all
examples ). If you are interested, you can download it 
http://code.google.com/p/ly2video/downloads/detail?name=ly2video_v1.0.zip
here . I hope you will enjoy it! :)

What do you need to use ly2video?
- Python 2.7
- GNU LilyPond 2.14.2
- FFmpeg
- TiMidity++

How to use it:
Just call "ly2video.py [options]" from command line.

Options:
-h, --help: show help message and exit
-i FILE, --input=FILE: input LilyPond project
-o FILE, --output=FILE: name of output video (e.g. "myNotes.avi", default is
input + .avi)
-c COLOR, --color=COLOR: name of color of middle bar (default is "red")
-f FPS, --fps=FPS: frame rate of final video (default is "30")
-r HEIGHT, --resolution=HEIGHT: resolution of final video (options: 360,
720, 1080, default is "720")
--title-at-start: adds title screen at the start of video (with name of song
and its author)
--title-delay=SECONDS: time to display the title screen (default is "3"
seconds)
--windows-ffmpeg=PATH: (for Windows users) folder with ffpeg.exe (e.g.
"C:\ffmpeg\bin\")
--windows-timidity=PATH: (for Windows users) folder with timidity.exe (e.g.
"C:\timidity\")

Known issues:
- music written with "\partial" command can cause a lot of bugs
- commands like "\override Stem #'stroke-style = #"grace"" skip notes
- videos created with title screen can have some bitrate issues

David's hard work and funding

Christ van Willegen — 2012-05-24T11:01:26

Hi David,

thanks for your fantastic work for the Lilypond project!

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:28 AM, David Kastrup <dak< at >gnu.org> wrote:

FWIW, I also intend to join Wilbert's 'Nieuwe Liedboek' project, and
donate whatever I get from that project to you.

Chirst van Willegen

Ugly default note spacing in single staff polyphony

Nick Payne — 2012-05-24T07:48:10

In the following, to look correctly positioned, the final A in the bar 
needs to be moved slightly to the right relative to the notes in the 
other voice each side of it. I tried moving the note to the right using 
\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift, but that didn't move the note. What 
can I use? I think it needs to go about half a staff space to the right, 
without increasing the spacing between the C notes in the other voice.

\version "2.15.39"

\relative c'' {
     \time 3/4
<<
         { r8 c4 c c8 r c4 c c8 }
         \\
         { a,4 a' a' a,, a' \once \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = 
#0.5 a' }
 >>
}

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How to catch the current height of a StaffGroup?

Thomas Morley — 2012-05-23T16:57:40

Hi,

I'm trying to read out the current height of a StaffGroup, i.e. from
the bottom-line of the bottom-staff up to the top-line of the
top-staff.

As a test I created a new BreathingSign-stencil drawing a line from
top-line to bottom-line. The value for draw-line is figured out
manually for now. Of course I want to automate this.

\version "2.15.38"

#(define ((staff-group-height number) grob)
     (let* ((stil (ly:text-interface::print grob))
            (par1 (ly:grob-parent grob Y));; #<Grob VerticalAxisGroup >
            (par2 (ly:grob-parent par1 Y));; #<Grob VerticalAlignment >
            (par3 (ly:grob-parent par2 Y));; #<Grob System >
            )

     ;(newline)(display "par1 ")(display par1)

     (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'stencil
       (grob-interpret-markup grob
           (make-line-markup
             (list
                 (make-with-dimensions-markup '(0 . 0) '(0 . 0)
                   (make-with-color-markup blue
                     (make-draw-line-markup (cons 0 number))))))))))

%--------- Test

one = {
        \relative c' {
        a2 b
        \override Score.BreathingSign #'after-line-breaking =
        #(staff-group-height -13)
        c\breathe d \break
        a,, b''
        \override Score.BreathingSign #'after-line-breaking =
        #(staff-group-height -22.5)
        c\breathe d
        }
}

two = {
        \relative c {
        \clef bass
        a2 b c d a'' b,, c d
        }
}

\score {
        \new StaffGroup <<
           \new Staff \one
           \new Staff \two
           >>
}

I don't know which grob/item/stencil I should adress to catch the
needed value and how.

Any hint would be appreciated.

Thanks,
  Harm

Grace Note Thickness

Pierre Perol-Schneider — 2012-05-23T12:23:35

Hi Groups,

few months ago Thoms Morley (found thanks too Google) sent this code, wiche
works fine :

\version "2.14.2"
%\version "2.15.20"

music = \relative c' {
        \grace { d,16 [des] } c4
}
\score {
        <<
        \new Staff { \clef "G_8" \music}
        \new TabStaff {
                \tabFullNotation
                %\revert TabVoice.Flag #'transparent % comment in with "2.15.20"
                \music
        }
        >>
        \layout {
                \context {
                        \TabVoice
                        graceSettings = #`((Voice Stem length-fraction .5)
                                           (Voice TabNoteHead font-size -4)
                                           (Voice Beam beam-thickness 0.1))
                }
         }
}

Now I would like to understand this :

1)

\version "2.15.39"

music = \relative c' {
        \grace { d,16 [des] } c4
}
\score {
        <<
        \new Staff { \clef "G_8" \music}
        \new TabStaff {
                \tabFullNotation
                \revert TabVoice.Flag #'transparent
                \music
        }
        >>
        \layout {
                \context {
                        \Score
                        graceSettings = #`((Voice Stem length-fraction .5)
                                           (Voice TabNoteHead font-size -4)
                                           (Voice Beam beam-thickness 0.1))
                }
         }
}


affect both staff and tabstaff grace notes (see *3.png)
BUT, when thickness is increased :

\version "2.15.39"

music = \relative c' {
        \grace { d,16 [des] } c4
}
\score {
        <<
        \new Staff { \clef "G_8" \music}
        \new TabStaff {
                \tabFullNotation
                \revert TabVoice.Flag #'transparent
                \music
        }
        >>
        \layout {
                \context {
                        \Score
                        graceSettings = #`((Voice Stem length-fraction .5)
                                           (Voice TabNoteHead font-size -4)
                                           (Voice Beam beam-thickness 0.45))
                }
         }
}


affect ONLY tabstaff grace notes.  (see *4.png)

2) if I change, for example, *(beam-thickness . 0.48)* to *(beam-thickness
. 0.58)* in the define-grobs.scm file this DOES NOT affect grace
notes.  (see *5.png)

Thanks in advance
Pierre
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Directed \tweak commands in 2.15.39

David Kastrup — 2012-05-23T10:23:49

Hi,

with regard to the latest development release (and 7th stable release
candidate), I wanted to point out a new feature that came in as a
side-effect of reimplementing footnotes, an optional layout-object
argument for tweaks:

<URL:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/the-tweak-command>

Footnotes have gotten a new interface.  The documentation for this
<URL:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/creating-footnotes>,
while reasonably complete and correct, is currently being rewritten in
order to better match LilyPond's standards.

Can not install Lilypond via brew in Mac OS X Lion

Ben Luo — 2012-05-23T07:02:16

I just purchased my first mac. I installed Mactux with no problem. But when
I
brew lilypond
brew always exit with message "ghostescript" is not linked. But I 100% sure
it linked. I don't know why.

Anyone give me a suggestion?

Many thanks,

Ben Luo
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Removing initial Bar spanning two-staff system

J Ruiz — 2012-05-23T06:52:25

I'd like to remove the initial Bar line that spans a two-staff ChoirStaff.
How is this accomplished?
Best i could come up with was:
\override ChoirStaff.SpanBar #'transparent = ##t, but no luck.

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New issue of The LilyPond Report! (#26)

Janek Warchoł — 2012-05-22T23:00:00

Never before in the history of The LilyPond Report so many new editors
appeared in so short a time!  This month Pavel Roskin joins us to tell
a story of wit and patience about a brave contributor who sets out on
a quest to find the cause of strange LilyPond errors appearing out of
nowhere.

In other news, 2.16 stable release is drawing nearer and nearer: on
this occasion David Kastrup shares with us some thoughts about our
development process.

Finally, a fundamental question is asked: is LilyPond output good
enough?  Have we managed to match the beauty of hand-engraved scores,
or is there still a lot of work ahead of us?

Read the newest issue of The LilyPond Report at

http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-26

to find out, and don't hesitate to pass the link around!

cheers,
Janek

TupletNumber regression

John David Duncan — 2012-05-21T23:26:51

Hi,

I have an example where 2.15.38 does a worse job than 2.14.2 at  
placing a TupletNumber.

I suspect it's related to a forced \stemUp, because the number might  
be in the right place if the stem were going down.

How should I submit my example ... in email here?  In an issue reporter?

Thanks,

JD

\shape can crash Lilypond

Urs Liska — 2012-05-22T14:07:14

Hi David N,

Recently we experienced strange crashes in our Lilypond scores that could only be avoided by randomly changing the order of some function calls.

Now I sat down and pinned it down quite narrowly:
If I use your wonderful \shape function and afterwards override any property of the same grob it causes Lilypond to crash while 'creating systems'.

Attached you'll find a file with detailed observations.
My impression is that your function somehow messes up with the grob's variable/pointer or whatever, making a copy and not telling Lilypond or such kind of thing.

Anyone an idea what could be wrong here?

It doesn't make the function unusable (not at all), but it can cause very dubious errors that might be very hard to track (depending on the situation).

Best
Urs

\autochange between "treble^8" and treble

Jonghyun Kim — 2012-05-21T23:49:31

Dear List,

How to do the "\autochange" between the "treble^8" and treble?

Default setting is treble and bass Clefs, but I want to modify that.

I want to display that: (download link)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8142442/lilypond-user%40gnu.org/between%20treble%20and%20treble%5E8.gif

Best,
Jong
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