http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5878 <pre>In my process of switching back to vim, I have found apparently quite popular (and very very mighty) package https://wincent.com/products/command-t, which conflicts with vimoutliner in &lt;Leader&gt;t mapping (which is used for rather less important IMHO functionality of entering time). How much we are wedded to ,t being ours? Matěj </pre> Matej Cepl 2012-05-23T00:38:38 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5856 <pre>Hi VO crew, As you remember, about a month or two ago we all came to the conclusion that we'd taken a Vim-based outliner as far as we could, and what was needed was to start a brand new project to make an outliner that could do all the features everyone is clamoring for, but that are impossible in a Vim based outliner. We agreed that VimOutliner would remain pretty much as-is, for those times when you just need an ultra-fast authoring outliner, and that when more features were needed, a person would use the new, feature- filled outliner. There would be converters going both ways so one could start with one and then transition to the other (typically starting with VO to take advantage of outlining speed, and then transitioning to the new one to take advantage of features). I've been talking with Edward Ream of the Leo project about the possibility of Leo filling the need for that new outliner. But of course, I know next to nothing about the GTD and other extensions many of you want, so I have no idea whether Leo is/can-be-made-to-be the editor of our dreams. What would be great is if you guys could also join the Leo GoogleGroup to continue the discussion of whether Leo would fit our needs, and if so, what features to add/change. Joining is as simple as going to http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor/ and clicking the "join" link on the right. Thanks SteveT </pre> stevelitt 2012-05-17T18:38:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5853 <pre>I just discovered the program "tree" Is there a way I can easily convert the output of a file MyTree.txt to otl? Simply changing the extension doesn't do it. Ludo _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Ludo Beckers 2012-05-17T09:34:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5852 <pre>Hi Edward, VimOutliner has reached a crossroads. Every outlining feature that can reasonably be added to the Vim engine has been added to the Vim engine. And a lot of people want more features. Just as a tiny example, cloning and hoisting aren't reasonable to add to VimOutliner, at least without involving databases, metatadata files, or other stuff that makes VimOutliner not VimOutliner. A lot of people are wanting GTD modules, and calendaring (we actually have a calendering module but it's not popular anymore). So all of us are pretty much in agreement that we need to build a new, differently named outliner with all the features, and keep VimOutliner in its current state (except for bug fixes) for those who want the fastest outline authoring on the planet. The new outliner must have an available round-trip conversion, at least for all VimOutliner features, between VimOutliner and the new outliner. That way VimOutliner continues to be used for the fastest outlining on the planet, while the new outliner prioritizes the ability to assist in a plethora of human tasks. If I read between the lines, the group is not married to the idea of the new outliner exactly implementing VimOutliner's keystroke interface, because the new outliner's priority is not necessarily speed (not that we want it to be slow). It's been about 4 years since I used Leo, but from what I remember it's extremely featureful. I have no idea if Leo could easily incorporate all our group's needed functions, nor whether its user interface would satisfy our group, nor whether you'd enjoy having additional developers and community members for Leo, but if we can use something that already exists in order to get what we need without too many compromises, that just might be a good thing. Thanks Steve Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ * http://twitter.com/stevelitt Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance </pre> Steve Litt 2012-05-16T19:37:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5850 <pre>The DOS version of MaxThink 89 can run as an almost native Linux app using dosemu. To duplicate this behavior do the following: 1) Install the dosemu package for your distro. 2) Create a directory named max hanging off your home directory: mkdir ~/max 3) Copy all your MaxThink files to this directory (i.e., MAX.EXE, CONFIG89.MT, MESSAGES.MT, etc). 4) Add the following to your .bashrc file: alias max="dosemu ~/max/MAX.EXE" 5) Instantiate the alias the first time: source ~/.bashrc 6) You can now invoke max from the Linux command prompt as follows: max file.mt 7) Familiarize yourself with some of the Linux helper apps like expand, unexpand, unix2dos and dos2unix. For example, to convert from otl format to mt do the following: expand --tabs=1 file.otl &gt; file.mt printf "\x1A" &gt;&gt; file.mt 8) To convert from mt format to otl format do the following: unxpand --tabs=1 file.mt &gt; file.otl Note: Should you need to add ^Z (x1A) to the end of the mt file, do the following: printf "\x1A" &gt;&gt; file.mt Happy Hacking! </pre> Rick 2012-04-23T21:10:12 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5840 <pre>Hi all, Attached are a .png showing a possible new architecture, and its .dia source. As Noel suggested, this keeps the application logic COMPLETELY separate from the UI, through a thin interface called a Domain Specific Language (DSL). The DSL defines and restricts the command set by which the client can influence the server and vice versa. In this scenario, the DSL becomes the #1 early design priority, because it almost completely defines what the software is and isn't. Meanwhile, the UI designer needs know ONLY the DSL in order to do his job, and the application logic designer also needs know ONLY the DSL in order to do his job. If there's a mismatch between the client or server (UI or app logic), there are two and only two correct fixes: 1) Whomever has departed from the DSL gets his section DSL compliant. 2) The DSL is enhanced with a new command or new syntax to an existing command. From my perspective, this takes one hugely difficult program and breaks it into two quite manageable programs. And like I said before, the client-server aspect gives us room to grow into a groupware outliner. For that reason I think, as much as possible, we should define groupware DSL commands even if they do nothing right now. For securities sake, obviously any command going through the port that doesn't start with a known command is thrown away. Or maybe aborted with a security-tinged error message, with info necessary for the proper programmer to know what sent the bad message. I volunteer to document the DSL for the project. What do you all think? SteveT _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Steve Litt 2012-04-15T23:04:35 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5819 <pre>NewVO Brainstorming List Goals ********************************************************************************************** Features ******************************************************************************************* Implementation Ideas ***************************************************************************** Sandbox (for what doesn't fit into the above categories) ******************************************* </pre> Noel Henson 2012-04-13T14:46:54 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5798 <pre>If I have an otl-file that I want to close and have it reopen exactly as I left it, regarding folds, is that possible? Something like this idea: - important stuff (unfolded) - less imp stuff - 65 lines folded - obscure stuff - 20 lines folded - new project (unfolded) Ludo _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Ludo Beckers 2012-02-20T21:39:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5782 <pre>I'm puzzled... I have Gvim and Vim 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc and through Synaptic I downloaded Vimoutliner, but I can't seem to get the Outliner working. :help vimoutliner (and variations I tried) can't find help. :help vo gives help on Options instead of Outliner. Documentation I found online is mostly very old with broken links. I also downloaded an example.otl but apart from looking neatly divided into lines with tab inserts, nothing seems to work like what I would expect. No comma comma command for example works. I must add I'm quite new to Vim, so don't know the ins and outs of folding and such. Is there any usable documentation for newbies? I'd love to learn more about Vim, starting with using Outliner as a tool that I can deploy for every day usage. Ludo _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Ludo Beckers 2011-12-03T10:54:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5778 <pre>What are the folding rules for Vimoutliner? The folding seems so random. Thank you, wolfv </pre> Wolfram Volpi 2011-11-27T08:36:53 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5776 <pre>Hello Vim Outliners, I want to migrate some word processor documents to otl.  If you know of a formatter to convert "MediaWiki to otl" or "odt to otl" or "doc to otl" please let me know.  I did not find one. I am attempting to write ex script to convert MediaWiki to otl.  This would be useful because LibreOffice Writer can export to MediaWiki format, and then the script would convert it to otl. The heading format in MediaWiki is simple; one equal sign for each level in the heading hierarchy e.g.: = head1 = body text == head2 == body text === head3 === body text The above MediaWiki text should convert to otl like this: head1 :body text head2 :body text head3 :body text The attached MediaWiki2otl script converts MediaWiki to otl except for one thing.  I can not figure out how to indent the body text lines (indent lines that start with “:”). Here is the pseudo code: if current line has “=” set count to number of “=” else   insert count “\t” Can this be done in ex script? i.e. Is there an ex command that can set a variable (or register) and an ex command to read that variable in the following lines? Thank you, wolfv </pre> Wolfram Volpi 2011-11-24T11:45:19 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5765 <pre>Hello all. I had a little trouble joining this list and so, having found Steve Litt's e-mail address, exchanged a couple of e-mails with him about the issues I will address below. It seemed that he might even have been entertaining the idea of putting together some sort of conversion utility geared toward my needs--which would be wonderful, since doing something like that is far beyond my competence. But I haven't heard back from him on that for a couple of days, so perhaps I misunderstood him. In any case, the following. I've tried vim a few times during the years I've struggled to learn to use GNU/Linux. It was never very successful, in part, because I couldn't see how it was at all suited to my needs (academic writing in the humanities, for which WYSIWYG word processors seem to have been created). But as I've begun writing out lecture notes--being very displeased with Open/Libre Office's outlining functionality for that purpose and in search for something less resource-intensive--I came across VimOutliner, and now I finally see a really good use for vim in my work. My experiments this time with vim and VO are going more smoothly. VO seems to hold great promise as a tool for creating my lecture notes, which take the form of an outline: VO seems a great way to record and organize the thoughts and ideas that go into my lectures. But my lecture notes, once created, need to be useful outside my computer's hard drive as well: namely, they must be printed and taken to the lecture hall, where I can use them for reference during my lecture. And, as good as VO is for the process of recording and organizing thoughts, it is not good at all as a tool for getting the recorded and organized thought into a printed document useful at the podium. For the notes to be useful as a document at the podium, several changes from the form the VO outline takes on the screen are needed: the font needs to be enlarged (14 pt. is about right for my aging eyes), line-spacing needs to be about 1.5, the document should have a header, there should be page numbering, and there should be bullets or numbering at the various levels of the outline (to act as visual cues and reference points). VO cannot, of course, do any of this. Steve mentioned LaTeX as a good tool for introducing such things, and, having experimented a little with LaTeX, I'm aware it can do this and that the output looks very nice. As to how to make the VO file import into LaTeX without having manually to introduce all the necessary mark-up, well, I'm at a loss. I did manage to get a good portion of the way toward the printed form I need by using another program, though. I discovered that .otl files import fine into Libre Writer, and from there, it is a very simple matter to enlarge the font and add a header and page numbering. The one thing that Writer cannot, apparently, help me to do, though, is to insert bullets or numbering: that would all, so far as I can tell, have to be done manually. So, my question to the list at this point is whether there has already been developed, or might be developed by someone with the requisite technical skills, a way to insert bullets or numbering into the outline that has been created in VO? Ideally those bullets or numbering would vary according to the level of outline headings. But at this point, I think I would be satisfied even with the same type of bullet at every level: that would be better than no bullets at all. I should mention in closing that, before Steve realized my lack of ability with programming, he suggested the following as a way to insert bullets: "Bullets are trivial -- if a line begins with anything but a colon or whitespace then a colon, prepend an asterisk and a star to the line's first non-blank. I think you could even do it within VimOutliner with a command such as this: :g!/\s*:/s/^(\s+)/\1* " That line of symbols means nothing to me, but since I do have sufficient competence to copy and paste (in fact, this is one of my key areas of expertise when it comes to computing), I pasted that string into vim while viewing a test document in command mode. But it did nothing. With respect to that string of characters, then, I need to ask whether I utilized it properly, or whether there might be some mistake there? Does it seem to others that this might offer a way of inserting bullets into a VO outline--most probably one and the same bullet symbol for all headline levels? As I said, the same bullet symbol at all levels, while less desirable than differing bullet symbols at differing levels, is nonetheless preferable to no bullets at all. Any help with this bulleting/numbering query will be highly appreciated. Thanks, James </pre> James Miller 2011-11-02T15:58:33 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5764 <pre>Latest updates at the development branch: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/tree/development Changelog: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/blob/development/CHANGELOG Jostein </pre> Jostein Berntsen 2011-09-17T16:38:13 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5749 <pre>Hi, I am using Steve's excellent VO mostly as a TODO list. Where can I get a LaTeX converter for this VO? Thanks. Shantanu www.shantanukulkarni.org </pre> Shantanu Kulkarni 2011-07-28T16:47:58 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5740 <pre>Hi all, I think I found a bug in VO 0.3.5. It might have existed earlier, but that's where I found it. If the top line begins with a hash (a bash comment character), when you load the file into gvim it doesn't act like an outline. I've attached an example file to show the behavior, and you can toggle the symptom by toggling the hash symbol and doing :e!. If it's not a bug, it's at least what I would call unexpected behavior and needs to be documented. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt #Pound sign comment for a title Chapter 1: We do what we're asked We work 60 hours We check in on vacations We keep ourselves trained Chapter 2: We don't ask much A living wage Health insurance No preexisxting condition exclusions Reasonable cost to us Respect For our time For our money For our personal lives But Noooooooooooo! We're laid off Must train our offshore successor Transfered to expenive Cobra Or we need to do the jobs of those laid off Work all day Drive all night 24x7x365 on call Don't Get Mad, Get Even Rapid Learning Troubleshooting Scan and Exploit All available from Steve Litt _______________________________________________ VimOutliner mailing list VimOutliner&lt; at &gt;vimoutliner.org http://www.lists.vimoutliner.org/mailman/listinfo</pre> Steve Litt 2011-06-02T23:52:24 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5737 <pre>Hi there, I was notified today that the 'plugin' folder was missing from the released archives for version 0.3.6. I've created new archives and replaced the defective ones on github and vim.org. I asume we didn't notice this issue before because most of us were updating their current setup, but it must have been pretty evident for new users. Anyway, I'd like to apologize to everyone who has been affected by this. Israel</pre> Israel Chauca F. 2011-05-21T00:25:57 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5736 <pre> I know I'm asking questions that are not particularly pertinent to the topic of this list. Let me know if it's a problem and I'll desist. My question is in the subject heading. [I guess I could ask another: Can you fold a fold? E.g., say I have today's date and the day's name on one line followed by a few paragraphs of text. If I folded the text, could I then fold the first line and the folded text?] FWIW, given what I'm used to, I'm just finding VO's text handling -- that it won't wrap without linebreaks; that lines are indistinguishable from paragraphs; that to be recognized as a paragraph a paragraph must have a heading -- extremely awkward. With "set linebreak" in my .vimrc words wrap and I can string several sentences together in a paragraph, which, if loaded into another editor, TextEdit, e.g., shows up as a paragraph instead of a list of lines. So I'm wondering if with folding by itself I can do at least some of the things I would have liked to do with VO. Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eeweir&lt; at &gt;bellsouth.net </pre> Eric Weir 2011-05-20T18:35:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5728 <pre> You may know about this, or maybe you can do this without this. If not: An app that lets you use your favorite text editor in any application. Works with MacVim, I would guess with Vim, too. If I can use Vim everywhere, maybe I'll learn to use Vim. http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/products/quickcursor This developer also has a really cool and versatile list/todo list creating/managing application called TaskPaper. Price is a little steep. Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eeweir&lt; at &gt;bellsouth.net </pre> Eric Weir 2011-05-19T12:56:25 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5724 <pre>This looked like it might be interesting. I didn't tech edit it or anything -- I have no idea if it really works. SteveT ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: howto?: sort folds Date: Saturday 14 May 2011, 00:25:46 From: John Little &lt;john.b.little&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; To: "vim_use" &lt;vim_use&lt; at &gt;googlegroups.com&gt; On May 14, 4:53 am, Bee &lt;beeyaw...&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; wrote: There's a somewhat brutish method I gave in this thread: https://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/browse_frm/thread/b7690339f789793b/57cb9ecdd29cdb08 The thread talks about a performance problem if you have long topics; I raised it in vim-dev and the answer was to turn off undo (be wary) with: set ul=-1 Regards, John </pre> Steve Litt 2011-05-14T11:15:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5723 <pre>Version 0.3.7 has now been merged in the development branch. A roadmap with suggestions for the forthcoming developments will be published to the list. The most major changes up to now are: Several new plugins have been added: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/tree/development/vimoutliner/plugin The otl2latex script has been added to the scripts folder: https://github.com/vimoutliner/vimoutliner/tree/development/vimoutliner/scripts Jostein </pre> Jostein Berntsen 2011-05-12T08:06:18 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner/5718 <pre>Thanks to everyone involved in maintaining and developing VO in my prolonged absence. I installed 0.3.5 and 0.3.6 (on different machines) and it is everything I hoped it would be. Your humble, original VO grunt programmer, Noel </pre> Noel Henson 2011-05-12T01:30:48 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.editors.vim.outliner