http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5879 <pre>Hi Charles, I changed the subject, I hope this is ok. Also, wich mailing list is the proper for this topic? Both? 2013/5/25 Charles-H. Schulz &lt;charles.schulz&lt; at &gt;documentfoundation.org&gt; Sure! Use-cases videos are very interesting. They would work as promotion as well as teaching users features they may not know, or they don't know how usefull they are. (surprisingly many of them, even the simpler as the styles menu). My proposal is a series of motion-graphics videos, made with Blender3D software, in wich the LibreOffice interface is animated as in a screencast. A voice over could explain the steps for some basic taks (formatting text, creating a presentation, etc) and maybe some advanced ones. There's a great example on Gnome3 videos, made by Jakub Steiner. He also did tutorials with them on motion graphics with Blender: http://goo.gl/pZa0Z Proposed pipeline: 1. Script (including voice-over if any) 2. Storyboard 3. Gather official images of the interface elements and menus. Vectorial files? Or just screenshots? 4. Record a rough version of the voice-over (if any) in order to get the timing for the animation. 5. Import the interface graphics as textures in Blender with 'Import-as-plane' addon. 6. Animation. Note possible voice-over adjustments. 7. Final voice-over recording. 8. Soundtrack (?) 9. Final render in image sequence. Convert with avconv to standard and web video formats. I will be able to commit to this during July-August. Meanwhile we can work on the script, deciding wich features or workflows should be shown. I could work by my own on the steps about storyboard and Blender animation but I would need help with sound recording and step 3. Who's up? ;) Cheers, Pablo. </pre> Pablo López Soriano 2013-05-26T02:11:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5877 <pre>Hi there! I met Mirek in LibreGraphicsMeeting 2013 and talked about how few committed UX designers LibreOffice has, that shocked me. I'm not interface designer but I could make a promotional video with motion graphics (like Jakub Steiner did on Gnome3 promos), in order to gather developers and users. But first, there are some questions. Does LibreOffice need a radical change at all to *differenciate* itself from Microsoft's Office, being not only the free alternative, but the standard office suite? If so, does LibreOffice need promotion in order to grow the developer team and make this change? A promotional video would say something like "Libre Office is The Standard, used by many millions of users, and yet it has a small developer team wich need you involved". Otherwise, if this radical change is going to happen without need of a promotion, the video could be launched afterwards, announcing the brand-new LibreOffice and its will to become The Standard. I've beek lurking the mailing lists and you can smell the will to change, at least in UX/UI matters. I'm just trying to help this to happen. Sincerely, Pablo. </pre> Pablo López Soriano 2013-05-25T11:40:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5871 <pre>Hi all, would it be good for TDF Members to have a badge they can display on their home pages? [1] And could there be some other badges to display the contributions and so the meritocraty? As it is a strategy to give all contributors an appreciation such badges could be part of it. I started a whiteboard and a first proposal for this. After collecting proposals I will start a discussion about the usage of the badges on projects ml. [1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg12492.html </pre> klaus-jürgen weghorn ol 2013-05-24T15:18:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5869 <pre>Below i have attached an image regarding a new UI with faenza icons pls also support the older interface (have an option to change it) Many people like the older one but i think this is more accesible [image: Inline image 1] discussion https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=64184 </pre> Megh Parikh 2013-05-23T16:39:54 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5864 <pre>I installed LibreOffice Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) direct from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ on Lubuntu 13.04. There are several LibreOffice svg files installed in /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/apps. While the pre-existing svg files are mostly symbolic and &lt; 10 kB, the LibreOffice ones are excessively large: most of the are &gt; 100 kB and the one for Calc is 1.3 MB. Why are these files so large? Why are they where they are? What is their function? Even their dimensions are different from the other files in that folder: the others are 16x16 px. These are much, much larger. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Size-of-LibreOffice-svg-files-tp4057288.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. </pre> chimak111 2013-05-22T10:41:47 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5853 <pre>In our "General Information" brochure[1], we (the marketing team) break some sections of text with a line that is made up of " ≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈ " (tilde's). However, when we go to print, some printers interpret this line as a group of tilde's separated by micro-blank-space between each tilde OR other printers interpret this line as a group of tilde's but grouped together as one wavy line. We should really be using a nice graphic to separate these sections. Would anyone on the design team have a good graphic that we could use instead of this line? We could then use the same graphic in all of our brochure-types that we are planning to write up. The marketing team would really appreciate it if you could take a look at the brochure and see if you would have any suggestion(s) for a graphic replacement. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr.odt </pre> Marc Paré 2013-05-19T11:12:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5843 <pre>As is the tradition, there will be an IRC chat today on freenode on the libreoffice-design channel at 16:00 UTC. [1] [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings </pre> Mirek M. 2013-05-11T08:54:49 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5830 <pre>This is a note to all of the regular contributors to this list. I was wondering if we could just do a quick defining of the "Design" list and its purposes. The reason I ask this is that I find that often people will post more UX related questions that would be better debated on that list. I see the "Design" list as really being a list where LibreOfice design members are asked questions or asked to help out with designing icons, logo design, VI requests, designing of any parts of the LibreOffice suite elements ... essentially all that pertains to designing objects using a paint/vector programme. This would also include discussions re: needs of the marketing people. The UX-design list, I see more a list where the discussion of extending or modifying the actual look and feel of LibreOffice and not the actual re-drawing or drawing of new elements using a paintingg/vector programme. The list is more concerned with discussions and examples of these new modification to the programme which would lead to some coding changes. I am not sure if I have described the differences in these two lists enough for people to understand ... feel free to add your interpretation. If we could ask people to respect these two differences, then we would then have a clear difference of the type of work expected on these lists and perhaps we could then advertise the fact that on the design list we are really looking for people who are merely interested in the drawing aspect of design and not that of the true "design" aspect of the distro. We may then be able to be more focused on our contributions on these two lists? I find that we sometimes are in the middle of getting some good contribution done on this list when another post arrives and distracts enough to lessen the previous contribution and leads to less focus of the items. I don't know about the other UX-designers, but it looks like the UX-members need to constantly watch the "design" list as well as the "UX" list just in case any UX questions are asked on the design list. We (on the design list) could do more moderation and ask that any posting of UX-related items should be re-posted on the correct UX list rather than allow it to be taken up on the design list. And, the UX members could do the same thing on the UX list. Would this sound reasonable to the UX team and the design team? Cheers, Marc </pre> Marc Paré 2013-05-08T15:42:10 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5825 <pre>Hi, I have worked a little bit on the interface of the new "Create Photo Album" Dialog and would like to get some feedback about the interface. What can still be improved? See attached screenshots. Thanks Samuel </pre> Samuel Mehrbrodt 2013-05-07T14:16:11 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5816 <pre>Hi everyone, The Column and Row headers in any Calc spreadsheet look very “Windows Vista”: they have a prominent faux bevel/reflection, which does not fit with our mostly flat UI. Compare LibreOffice headers versus Office 2013 headers (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=74552 and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=74551). I’m not suggesting that we should copy Office 2013’s style, but the trend everywhere (Apple doesn’t count) is to go flat, concise, minimal, beautiful. As a quick fix, we could at least revert to the OpenOffice.org 2.0’s simpler headers (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/OpenOffice.org_2.0.2_Calc_Windows.png) – these may be older, but look much better fitting in Calc. Should we start a whiteboard for mockups? What do you think? I’ve reported this as a bug (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61718) -- Adolfo </pre> Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 2013-05-04T20:30:54 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5814 <pre>Hello, sorry for spamming all the lists, but in the light of recent events and discussions, I'd like to make all of you aware of an important mailing list, that so far has not been used as extensively as it should be, which led to some frustration and communication issues. As part of our mission to foster the project internal communication, I'd like to tell you about our so called projects mailing list, which Sophie initiated quite a while ago, and which should be used for communication amongst the various projects - e.g. design and marketing, development and marketing, UX and development, and the like. The list's intention is not to be a gossip list where everything should be thrown at, but to make all affected projects aware of important changes. Philosophy: Low traffic, but important topics. Some examples are: Change of version numbers, a new slogan, design changes, new products. In other words: Everything that has an impact on other areas of working than the one where the change originally comes from. If one team decides LibreOffice will now be called different, and has a shiny new colour, surely marketing should know in time. Well, a bit of a made up example, but you get the point... ;-) We have seen some unpleasant events in the past, that based on my experience, are mostly due to the lack of communication, or due to miscommunication. To avoid that in the future, I'd like to call out to everyone of you, if you are active in one of the subprojects, to also join this mailing list by sending an empty e-mail to projects+subscribe&lt; at &gt;global.libreoffice.org and following the instructions mailed back. At least one or two representatives from *each* project should join this list, to act as a gateway. I will soon follow up further with some details and topics that have reached me the past weeks, and how we could solve them. Again, sorry for spamming, and have a great weekend! Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-04T13:25:00 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5813 <pre>Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either "moderate through", or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-04T11:32:41 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5810 <pre>Hi *, I'd love to have some homescreen/bookmark icons for the wiki - probably something simple like the LO-Paperclip logo with a "W" inside. But I don't own a ios device, so I cannot check what "looks good" in terms of margins/placements, whether the icon on a simple white background is good, or whether the background should be colored. Also what I found about the specs are of course contradicted by apple themselves (surprise, surprise) http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariWebContent/ConfiguringWebApplications/ConfiguringWebApplications.html https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/userexperience/conceptual/mobilehig/IconsImages/IconsImages.html Say the icon sizes are 57, 72, 114 and 144 (all square) - but apple doesn't care and its own icon is 129x129 http://www.apple.com/apple-touch-icon.png So size doesn't matter that much after all, and all what counts is that it needs to be square. I guess there are a couple of people on the design list with a ios device around, so it would be nice if you could check how much padding the icon needs to look good. Take https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/skins/common/images/logo.png for example - if this was centered in a 144x144 white background - how would it look on the homescreen? Of course would be great if people have other ideas than just a "W" inside (or across) the paperclip). I also don't know whether to make the W green for example, or keep it black/grey,... I'm not a designer, so I'm looking forward to your proposals :-) ciao Christian </pre> Christian Lohmaier 2013-05-02T08:21:17 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5787 <pre>Metaphors determine the association between a function and its icon. But sometimes these metaphors are misleading or ambiguous. With your help, we want to improve the metaphors used in Libreoffice. Learn more: http://user-prompt.com/metaphors-behind-icons-which-are-really-useful/ Please help us with the design of some standard icons with new metaphors. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Metaphors-behind-icons-which-are-really-useful-tp4052039.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. </pre> Heiko Tietze 2013-04-24T11:52:29 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5774 <pre>Hi all, if we do want to have updated branding, now (around four weeks before feature freeze) would seem like a good time to start a contest/ ideation/whatever we want. It could run for ~three weeks Personally, I am not sure why we would need to update our branding right now – but I guess it is better to ask before we get into another situation like we did with the previous release. So? Regards, Astron. </pre> Stefan Knorr 2013-04-18T14:50:53 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5766 <pre>Hello, I could offer my help to translate your surveys (or what you need) to Czech, which is my primary language. Happy LO user, Robin </pre> Robin Herink 2013-04-16T17:14:04 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5739 <pre>Over the last days (actually months , sorry for the delay) we reported step by step the results of our last icon test. Finally we prepared a summary now, that concludes some guidelines how to create good metaphors for icons. Semiotics in Usability: Guidelines for the Development of Icon Metaphors &lt;http://user-prompt.com/semiotics-in-usability-guidelines-for-the-development-of-icon-metaphors/&gt; Our conclusion of results in respect to LO is being in preparation. I hope it will be published soon. And the next test will come too... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Final-summary-of-last-Libreoffice-icon-test-tp4049127.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. </pre> Heiko Tietze 2013-04-10T19:46:30 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5729 <pre>Hi guys, I updated the status part of our whiteboard template [1] to reflect the changes we made to the Design wiki structure. Let me know what you think. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Whiteboard_Template#Status </pre> Mirek M. 2013-04-08T10:37:20 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5721 <pre>Hello im currently working on improving the template manager, just giving an update on the pending design issues of the template manager for 4.1 release if possible, so we can all make it better - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61392 - Import and Export icons are the same </pre> Rafael Dominguez 2013-04-07T23:09:37 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5710 <pre>Hi everyone, I'd like to start an initiative to finish all the shape icons for the Tango testing icon set. I've collected the SVGs of the current shape icons on https://github.com/libodesign/tango-testing/blob/master/shapes.svg. Could anyone make a list of the icons that are missing? (Of course, I realize that all the 16px icons are missing.) </pre> Mirek M. 2013-04-06T21:36:50 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/5704 <pre>Hi all; I've written a proposal for a new experimental UI for LibreOffice Writer: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:KeithCu In a few weeks Matúš Kukan will have an empty Python prototype ready to be filled in. After that, it becomes a question of what it should look like. The bitmap I included on the wiki page was just some pretty example I dug up on the web, but I could imagine others, including perhaps one that is on the top rather than the side. Anything you guys can draw could be mostly implemented in a few months (assuming one person full-time) in Python. No one is signed up to hack on that yet, Matúš is just making an empty toolbar, but it needs a bitmap first anyway. It would be nice to get a more official "next-gen" UI Writer design. Do you guys have one? Kind regards, -Keith </pre> Keith Curtis 2013-04-05T23:30:39 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design