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The Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness

Gary Moore — 2012-05-26T13:01:38

 Reply to: Eugene Halton <Eugene.W.Halton.2< at >nd.edu>
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Thank you for your reply!
Gary Moore: I hope this phrase is a synonym for “language” because if it not language, how could it be “inferential” or “communicative”? But if it is language why did you not say “language”?  
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Gene Halton: In the Peircean perspective, language, if you mean by that linguistic language, is but a subspecies of the inferential and communicative process of semiosis, even within human communication. Two examples: “Talking about music is like dancing about architecture,” as Thelonius Monk once said to quiet a critic’s question. Or as the great modern dancer Isadore Duncan said, “If I could tell you what it meant, there would be no point in dancing it.” Or consider felt,

RE: Re: [peirce-l] ORDINARY DISCOURSE AS THE FINAL CAUSE TO ALL INTELLECTUAL ENDEAVORS OR SKEPTICISM

Eugene Halton — 2012-05-25T17:37:12

Gary Moore: I hope this phrase is a synonym for “language” because if it not language, how could it be “inferential” or “communicative”? But if it is language why did you not say “language”?

Gene Halton: In the Peircean perspective, language, if you mean by that linguistic language, is but a subspecies of the inferential and communicative process of semiosis, even within human communication. Two examples: “Talking about music is like dancing about architecture,” as Thelonius Monk once said to quiet a critic’s question. Or as the great modern dancer Isadore Duncan said, “If I could tell you what it meant, there would be no point in dancing it.” Or consider felt, wordless empathic communication. Or this. Someone I know who studied with a Native American wise man told me that the man gathered all of his students, former and current, to spend a month with him for his last teaching. His last teaching he gave to them was his death, as it unfolded over that month.

            You quo

A DEFINITION OF SIGN

Gary Moore — 2012-05-25T07:30:50

"Signs for us are sensible objects because human knowledge as discursive originates from the senses. It can be said more generally that a sign is anything generally known in which something other than itself is presented, and this is the case with an intellectual concept in presenting the intelligibility of any object, or with a percept presenting the desirability or undesirability of any object."
 
John Deely, THE FOUR AGES OF UNDERSTANDING, PAGE 337
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Re: Re: [peirce-l] ORDINARY DISCOURSE AS THE FINAL CAUSE TO ALL INTELLECTUAL ENDEAVORS OR SKEPTICISM

Gary Moore — 2012-05-25T07:12:26

Dear Stephen C. Rose,
I am sorry they are so long, and yet I really do condence them because, as I see it, if you write as a philosopher writing about language's nature, the whole of language excluding nothing which is what you have to do because language is always, in many ways, larger than what you can write about it - and therefore never even begin to cover the 'whole' subject - I keep it as short as possible, much shorter even than Peirce did, though he always wanted, and needed, to write a book. And, now after my exchanges with Dr. Eugene Halton, I have found the use of literary irony on pages 38-9 and 148-9 in THE ESSENTIAL PEIRCE. Especially since literary trope like analogy  are as important, if not more important, than so-called 'straight'
logic, and far more necessary for general communication in the ontologically necessary (and 'infinite' since it has no boundaries of either logic or experience) "ordinary discourse" - within which "philosophical discourse" is a mere 'region' - is like how Bullin

Re: Soul Lips Ism

Gary Richmond — 2012-05-25T05:45:44

Dear Jon,
It would be helpful if you would contextualize such posts. 

Thanks.
Gary

Gary Richmond
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Communication Studies
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Soul Lips Ism

Jon Awbrey — 2012-05-25T04:28:10

http://theodoragoss.tumblr.com/post/23717015911/beauty-by-charles-baudelaire

Re: Re: Help!

Benjamin Udell — 2012-05-24T20:41:53

Søren, Gary, list,

I've retrieved it and will send it to Søren.

Best, Ben

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Re: Help!

Gary Richmond — 2012-05-24T20:31:03

Søren,

Re: Andacht, Fernando. Iconicity Revisited: An Interview
with Joseph Ransdell. RSSI: Recherches
Semiotiques/RSSI: Semiotic Inquiry. 23.1 (2003):
221?240.

This was offered as the first of last year's *Slow Reads* of some of
Joe's papers. It is available in the list archives; or, perhaps, you can
contact Fernando directly as he is a list member. I'm pressed for time
since I'm preparing for travel over the next few days or I'd hunt it up
for you myself. I'm sure you'll find it easily.

Best, 

Gary Richmond

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Is there anybody that can help me with an electronic file of Ransdell,
Joseph (2003): Iconicity revisited. Recherches
Sémiotiques/Semiotic.Inquiry,  vol. 23 No. 1-2-3, 2003.p. 221-240.? I
seem to have lost mine and need it urgently!

Venlig hilsen/best wishes

Søren Brier

Professor of semiotics of Information, Cognition and Communication,

Re: Re: [peirce-l] ORDINARY DISCOURSE AS THE FINAL CAUSE TO ALL INTELLECTUAL ENDEAVORS OR SKEPTICISM

Gary Moore — 2012-05-24T18:53:16

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[Unfortunately my first and now overdue letter to you disappeared in the mail, and this one is much, much worse if that is imaginable.]
Gary Moore: Only I can die my death, or have my cancer if that is better. Any information about death or cancer comes from comparison, analogy, likeness, but like my body is ontologically different from everyone else’s body so my death or my cancer is different from everyone else’s. 
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Gene Halton: It seems to me that you are treating the inferential communicative process of semiosis as not inclusive of the process of one’s own death. 
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Gary Moore:  The way you phrase this is intriguing to me, though I do not know if I really get your meaning: “the in

Re: Re: [peirce-l] ORDINARY DISCOURSE AS THE FINAL CAUSE TO ALL INTELLECTUAL ENDEAVORS OR SKEPTICISM

Gary Moore — 2012-05-24T10:13:16

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Gary Moore: Only I can die my death, or have my cancer if that is better. Any information about death or cancer comes from comparison, analogy, likeness, but like my body is ontologically different from everyone else’s body so my death or my cancer is different from everyone else’s. 

Gene Halton: It seems to me that you are treating the inferential communicative process of semiosis as not inclusive of the process of one’s own death. “Ordinary reality,” the practical, is admittedly more concrete than theoretical philosophical discourse, as Peirce explicitly admits. That is why it is inadequate for a philosophy of the long run, just as a theoretical philosophy of the long run is inadequate for living one’s life in a mortal limi

Fwd: Peirce Society Facebook Group

Gary Richmond — 2012-05-23T16:08:09

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RE: Re: [peirce-l] ORDINARY DISCOURSE AS THE FINAL CAUSE TO ALL INTELLECTUAL ENDEAVORS OR SKEPTICISM

Eugene Halton — 2012-05-23T15:34:14

Gary Moore: Only I can die my death, or have my cancer if that is better. Any information about death or cancer comes from comparison, analogy, likeness, but like my body is ontologically different from everyone else’s body so my death or my cancer is different from everyone else’s.

Gene Halton: It seems to me that you are treating the inferential communicative process of semiosis as not inclusive of the process of one’s own death. “Ordinary reality,” the practical, is admittedly more concrete than theoretical philosophical discourse, as Peirce explicitly admits. That is why it is inadequate for a philosophy of the long run, just as a theoretical philosophy of the long run is inadequate for living one’s life in a mortal limit, with all the passionate resources that go far deeper than language available. But death remains a biosemiotic and social process nonetheless. The concreteness of one’s death is not an isolate instance.

Alfred North Whitehead: “...among the primary elements of natu

Conference: The American Style in Philosophy

Khadimir — 2012-05-23T15:12:22

The American Style in Philosophy

*Two Day International Conference*
*June 11th-12th, 2012*
*University College Dublin*

Supported by:
The IRCHSS (“New Ideas” Award in the Humanities and Social Sciences)
UCD School of Philosophy
UCD Clinton Institute for American Studies
International Journal of Philosophical Studies
 http://www.american-voice.org/Conference Outline

In comparing the styles of American and French philosophical writing, James
Conant has noted the characteristic “diffidence” of writers like Thoreau
when compared to the characteristic “brilliance” of intellectuals like
Derrida. Conant provocatively suggests that this Parisian brilliance most
typically registers “what is now taken as the sound of philosophy”. “The
sound of much of the language in Thoreau’s *Walden*”, he writes, “is apt to
strike a reader – at least on a first encounter – as not particularly
philosophical at all, as not even trying to sound like philosophy”.
(Conant, J., “Cavell and the Concept of

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Gary Moore — 2012-05-23T06:56:20



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From:Catherine Legg <clegg< at >waikato.ac.nz>
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Catherine Legg: Hello list! Here we are at IU - thank you to all those who put work into moving us over. 
It seems the instigators of this thread have tired of it but I’m just catching up. 
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Gary Moore: I have not. It seems the main problem is “ordinary reality” which all human beings must overridingly deal with above and beyond mere philosophical discourse. Probably I did not make this perfe

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Benjamin Udell — 2012-05-22T04:50:14

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Re: Testing Archive Links To See If They Are Public

Jon Awbrey — 2012-05-22T04:44:19

Nope, you have to be registered and logged in to access archive links.

Jon

Testing Archive Links To See If They Are Public

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Re: A Petition to Require Free Access over the Internet to Scientific Journal Articles Arising from Taxpayer-Funded Research

Benjamin Udell — 2012-05-22T04:12:01

Also the research data sets and, where technically feasible, specialized 
programs/code used to process the data. - Best, Ben

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A Petition to Require Free Access over the Internet to Scientific Journal Articles Arising from Taxpayer-Funded Research

Jon Awbrey — 2012-05-22T04:04:32

A Petition to Require Free Access over the Internet to Scientific Journal Articles Arising from Taxpayer-Funded Research

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❝The highly successful Public Access Policy of the National Institutes of Health proves that this can be done without 
disrupting the research process, and we urge President Obama to act now to implement open access policies for all 
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Register (if not already) and sign on this page:

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