http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14389 <pre> Ok, Mike. I'll take care of it. Thanks. Jim </pre> Jim Grisanzio 2010-08-31T03:55:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14388 <pre>[snip] There were a total of 5 people that offered votes on this. There were a total of 4 +1's and 1 -1. Given the dissolution of the OGB, I suggest that all votes count regardless of Core Contributor status for the owning community group, whatever that is. The -1 raised the following objections: - Indiana may not be dead yet and it is best to keep the list around just in case. - Alan Coopersmith had interesting posts recently - The moderation work can be done by someone else. The discussion that followed offered the following counterpoints: - Indiana is a completed project that became known as OpenSolaris, the distribution[1][2][3]. - The list can be revived in the event that circumstances change[4]. - Alan believes his interesting posts relevant to the list are done[2]. - While I offered for others to pick up moderation[5][6], no one has volunteered. 1. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-August/018061.html 2. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-August/</pre> Mike Gerdts 2010-08-31T03:32:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14387 <pre> Mike ... this thread started on indiana-discuss and website-discuss, but it's no longer on website-discuss. So, when you guys come to a final decision, please let us know on the website team with a final mail to website-discuss. Bill or I can make the change. If we deactivate the list, we can reactivate it easily enough if need be. Nothing will be deleted. People won't be able to send mail or subscribe, but the archives will remain. Jim </pre> Jim Grisanzio 2010-08-27T05:26:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14386 <pre>+1 True, and that project piece was completed by the several releases of the OSOL distribution binary CDs, IPS repository DVD, and the existence of the packaging repositories. Hence, the archival and termination of the indiana-discuss discussion forum is a valid proposal. As mentioned: "Project Indiana is an initiative to create an OpenSolaris binary distribution with single CD install and network package repository. This is a discussion forum for this project." Let us migrate and continue discussions in the existing osol-discuss and pkg-discuss mailing lists - then archive and terminate the continuance of the indiana-discuss discussion forum. ~ Ken Mays </pre> ken mays 2010-08-26T16:36:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14385 <pre> Since several people have mentioned those... for several years I'd been sending the list of changes in the X SVR4 packages that needed to be reflected in the translation to IPS packages when building the distro. Those could have gone to pkg-discuss or indiana-discuss, I chose indiana-discuss as they seemed more about the distro than the packaging system themselves - I could have also filed them in bugzilla, in which case they'd have been distro/opensolaris/packaging instead of somewhere in the pkg bug categories. When David rolled those in with the rest of the changes, the code reviews got sent to pkg-discuss though. In any case, as explained recently in my blog [1], there's no longer a reason for me to send those, as we now deliver the X packages in IPS format, so the release engineers are no longer translating SVR4 packages to IPS and there's no translation manifests to maintain. I'm still posting the changelogs for each build to http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+x_win/changelogs an</pre> Alan Coopersmith 2010-08-26T14:46:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14384 <pre>+1 Project Indiana long ago became OpenSolaris - the Distribution. Now even that is no more. New people won't even know what Indiana was, opensolaris-discuss is the place to go. I agree with everything you say. Just keep the archives available. Rob </pre> Rob McMahon 2010-08-26T13:38:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14383 <pre> As I tried to say before... The result of project Indiana was the OpenSolaris distribution. The most likely entry point for someone wanting to discuss the fruits of project Indiana is opensolaris-discuss. Newcomers are not likely to spend the time trying to figure out what project Indiana is and are more likely to go to opensolaris-discuss. I suspect that at such a time as Solaris 11 Express is available, a new separate forum will start up (outside of opensolaris.org) that is the best place to discuss it. Based on Oracle's letter to employees[1], I'd be surprised if you see any more announcements from Oracle employees on indiana-discuss or opensolaris-discuss. They may continue to appear in strictly places aimed at developers such as xwin-discuss[2] or pkg-discuss[3]. Alan's announcements in July were also sent to xwin-discuss. 1. http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html 2. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/ 3. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/pkg-discuss</pre> Mike Gerdts 2010-08-26T12:38:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14382 <pre>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Yiannis Mavroukakis &lt;imavroukakis-rDw8/qMNagEYEXuyYHC4Mw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: Yep, I would be interested in that answer, too. Unfortunately Oracle killed off Indiana. And much worse: Not only that .com distro, but unfortunately the entire .org src community interaction process! See here, for example: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/opensolaris_is_dead/ Some few had always been very skeptical and critical from day 1 on, concerning - then Sun´s - claims regarding Project Indiana´s nature as an ^^open^^, ^^free^^ and ^^community-driven^^ FOSS project. I was one of them, as some might recall. Now the entire world can finally witness, that it was a farce. And you still say, ^^we are not quite sure that Indiana is dead^^?? Have you just returned from a months-long (or longer) summer holiday? ;-) I give a +1 for closing down indiana-discuss, as I see no future for it. With the following important addition: Of course the archives must remain intact. But I am </pre> Martin Bochnig 2010-08-26T11:20:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14381 <pre> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And that's based upon what information? </pre> Yiannis Mavroukakis 2010-08-26T10:00:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14380 <pre>-1 I would like it to continue to exist. Even if non moderated it could be a point of interest at some moment in time, since we are not quite sure that Indiana is dead. Maybe at contrary things are just going on and it might be the wider thing than Opensolaris binary distribution itself. There wer several interesting Alanc posts in July and i am not sure what purpose will be of killing it. If it is not maintained, all right then. Let it be unmaintained. If only technical job of deleting spam is the point, then I am sure that technical thing could be done by someone else etc. Anyway, if you think there is some other reason to kill it beside spam etc, say so, I don't like to see it go away. </pre> Nikola M. 2010-08-26T09:56:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14379 <pre> +1 </pre> Manuel Trujillo (TooManySecrets 2010-08-26T06:42:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14378 <pre> +1 </pre> Robert Milkowski 2010-08-26T06:20:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14377 <pre>For the past couple of years I have been a moderator for indiana-discuss. In my view, the usefulness of this list was eclipsed when Sun renamed the project known as "Indiana" got a formal distribution named OpenSolaris. Oracle's recent decision to discontinue the OpenSolaris distribution in favor of Oracle Solaris 11 Express (forgive me if I butchered the official name) further speaks to the notion that the indiana-discuss list has outlived its usefulness. As I write this message, there have been no messages to indiana-discuss in August. In that same time there have been 22 spam messages that were not caught by automatic spam detection, requiring manual action by a moderator to stop getting nag mail. July was a bit more active, with one thread asking where the MIA update to the OpenSolaris distro was, one unanswered plea for help, and three threads spawned by announcements by Alan Coopersmith. The spam to the moderators outnumbered these legitimate messages in July as well. http://mail.opensolaris.org</pre> Mike Gerdts 2010-08-26T00:48:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14376 <pre> "Quite a while"? Two weeks hardly seems like a long wait for a new mail about our biweekly X build. I know phoronix has confused a lot of people, but there's nothing new here. I'm sorry I missed one build (143), but you can clearly see in the archives I've sent them for every other biweekly build for a very long time: 144: July 9: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-July/018047.html 143: oops! was busy finishing the huge X IPS conversion project for 144 and forgot to send it 142: June 12: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-June/018025.html 141: May 29: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-May/018010.html 140: May 18: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-May/017983.html 139: May 1: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2010-May/017922.html and so on... </pre> Alan Coopersmith 2010-07-22T17:12:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14375 <pre>I sure waited, silent and patiently, quite a while for a new biweekly mail. Does this mean... when will there... Oh almost forgot, breath deeply and wait patiently .... </pre> F. Wessels 2010-07-22T11:35:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14374 <pre>Just when you thought you'd never see another one of these biweekly mails.... These changes in the X packages in Nevada build 145 will need updates to the IPS distro-import package definitions for those packages. (This is an early heads up - the list is subject to change if any issues are found in pre-integration testing.) As usual, this only lists the changes that need distro-import changes, the full list of X changes in these builds can be seen at: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+x_win/changelogs-nv_140#HBuild145 6939384 X delivered SMF manifests should be relocated to /lib/svc/manifest 144/i386/driver:graphics:nvidia currently contains: depend_path /var/svc/manifest/application/opengl/ogl-select.xml If pkg RFE 9739 is fixed before 145 closes, this should change to depend_fmri svc:/application/opengl/ogl-select otherwise, it should change to depend_path /lib/svc/manifest/application/opengl/ogl-select.xml The only other package I see that listed that depend_path in dist</pre> Alan Coopersmith 2010-07-21T01:10:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14373 <pre>I forgot to mention that part of the refactoring was merging the developer &amp; documentation packages into the base packages, so if you pkg install terminal/xterm you get the xterm man page, and if you pkg install x11/library/libx11 you get the libX11 header files. To control which components are installed, you use the "facet" system built into the pkg(5) system, as described in: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/pkg/gate/doc/facets.txt To see the current facet settings on your system, run "pkg facet". If you've not set any, it will normally print an empty list. Any facet not set defaults to "true" so the files will be installed. To change a facet setting, run "pkg change-facet &lt;name&gt;=&lt;value&gt;" such as "pkg change-facet facet.doc*=False" to remove/not install any form of documentation. For now, the pkg command will always create a new BE to make these changes in - a fix for that is in progress from the pkg(5) team. </pre> Alan Coopersmith 2010-07-16T01:29:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14372 <pre>[I know that for external users this isn't very useful while /dev is frozen, though at least one person outside Oracle has built our 144 repo so it is possible to start testing these now if you build them yourself. I could post the repo snapshot we delivered to build 144, but it was built on snv_142 so contains dependencies on ON &amp; SFW packages that aren't externally available, so wouldn't be installable.] Starting with build snv_144, the X consolidation has converted from building packages in SVR4 format (which the IPS team &amp; WOS RE then converted to IPS) to building directly in IPS format. At the same time, we have refactored our packages to better match functional groups, follow upstream source boundaries from the X11R7 modularization, and better allow sensible minimization. The archives of the OpenSolaris.org mailing lists xwin-discuss &amp; pkg-discuss can provide more insight into the decisions made there. (Of course, further changes are possible as we find out what works and what does not.) F</pre> Alan Coopersmith 2010-07-16T01:14:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14371 <pre>Don't know if you have seen this http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/ but looks like teddies are being thrown out of prams! </pre> Paul Johnston 2010-07-13T12:37:03 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14370 <pre>These changes in the X packages in Nevada build 144 will need updates to the IPS distro-import package definitions for those packages. As usual, this only lists the changes that need distro-import changes, the full list of X changes in these builds can be seen at: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+x_win/changelogs-nv_140#HBuild144 6941932 X should be able to build IPS packages natively 6964006 X package boundaries are all wrong 6966504 lndir [PSARC/2010/219] 6967081 X package names need adjusting See http://cr.opensolaris.org/~alanc/xnv-ips/pkg-gate-v2/ for the changes I believe are necessary for the above set. 6963906 NVIDIA graphics driver support for OpenGL 4.0 [PSARC/2010/133] Information about the version bump &amp; driver aliases additions needed has already been sent to David. </pre> Alan Coopersmith 2010-07-09T22:02:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana/14369 <pre> I have begiu to love the word "polymorphism". With Steven Hahn now gone, and ditto most of Sun's Beijing team members who were primarily responsible for the desktop portion of Solaris/OpenSolaris, it is probably very naive to insist that OpenSolaris, as in the "OpenSolaris liveCD", is not already dead, or at least in an indefinite sleep state. (For those of us who are using OpenSolaris laptops, the experiences abound that a sleeping OpenSolaris laptop may never wake up.) :-( However, when the word OpenSolaris is used as in the context of the "OpenSolaris project", then it is definitely alive and kicking. In many aspects, more vivid than ever. Among many other things, no doubt we are seeing substantially increased interests in Milax, and more particularly, the NexantaOS. Keep in mind that the Solaris proper (Solaris 10u8) is also part of the OpenSolaris project. </pre> W. Wayne Liauh 2010-07-08T19:47:15 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.indiana