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Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Martijn van Duren — 2013-05-25T06:59:29

Hi Patrick,

On 05/25/13 02:39, Patrick Mc(avery wrote:

I'm no expert, but based on this I'd say you're looking for a GUI 
framework, that is also build for code correctness, to write your 
application in. In that case you might look into the EFL[1][2] 
(Enlightenment Foundation Libraries). I haven't looked at the API 
myself, but from what I've read about it it's supposed to be 
(relatively) lightweight, cross-platform, modular, supports the more 
standardized ways of desktop communication, and is BSD licensed.
Furthermore I have been using E17 (Enlightenment 17 desktop environment) 
for a while and I must say that I think it's one of the more visually 
calm and easy environments (but that's pure taste of course). It does 
run quite smoothly on my (old) OpenBSD laptop. Although I tested far 
from all the features, since I prefer to spent most of my time on the 
terminal (it must be a glitch of sort of mine).

It's not the most widely used framework, so it might give you some extra 
bloat and inconsistency

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Nicolai — 2013-05-25T05:18:05


That's true.  Such window managers are user-controllable, unlike what
you typically find in Linux.  Just a hunch: the excessive number of
applications listed is meant to show possibilities and/or prompt the
user to configure fluxbox.  You can edit the appropriate file

 /usr/local/share/fluxbox/menu

to your own needs.  The syntax is clean and simple.  Have a look!


Personally if I had to use Windows I would just quit using computers.
Don't jump!

Nicolai

anoyone successfully using tircd on OpenBSD?

Erling Westenvik — 2013-05-25T02:11:06

I wanted to try tircd so I installed it from packages (-current) and
followed the instructions found in the man page and on the tircd home
page. However, it looks like I cannot authenticate against Twitter.
The irc clients I have tried (xchat, irssi, weechat) complain about:

  [nick] Unable to login to Twitter with the supplied credentials.

Would anyone out there with a working config care to try helping me out?
I've tried to do my homework and have spent quite some time on Google
trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Regards,

Erling

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

bofh — 2013-05-25T01:39:09

Have you considered HTML5 + CSS?

Seriously.

On Friday, May 24, 2013, ag< at >gmail wrote:

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

2013-05-25T01:01:12

Have you considered a thought that XFCE may be easily customizable? The non-existing program entries can be removed and the UI customized to your liking? 

From what you describe it doesn't seem you require pretty graphics. I would suggest trying out the light window managers. Customizing a window manager to your liking is pretty straightforward with the light variants (not gnome and kde - these are SAKs - Swiss Army Knives). You may possibly find one that exactly matches the job...

-ag

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sent via 100% recycled electrons from my mobile command center.

On May 24, 2013, at 5:39 PM, "Patrick Mc(avery" <spell_gooder_now< at >spellingbeewinnars.org> wrote:

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Patrick Mc(avery — 2013-05-25T00:39:28

Hi Chris

Actually spectrwm looks very cool. I really like ncurses based 
interfaces but I need to display images too. I could see a hybrid 
application fitting into this window manger.




On 13-05-24 07:29 PM, Chris Bennett wrote:

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Patrick Mc(avery — 2013-05-25T00:39:10

Hi Marti

Thanks so much for your rapid and helpful response.

I will still consider Mac OSX but it's just that it is the worst of two 
worlds for me. Labs use Windows only. If I ship something that works on 
windows, I don't have to swim against the current with this topic. I am 
willing to swim for free software but OSX is not free either :(
-Patrick











On 13-05-24 06:59 PM, Marti Martinez wrote:

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Patrick Mc(avery — 2013-05-25T00:39:17

Hi Richard

Actually I am not looking for a Windows clone, just a software-correct 
GUI. I don't need much too. I need text input widgets and a way to 
display graphs. The graphs could be grammatically created images that 
are independent of the window manager and widget toolkit but simply 
presented to the user.

XFCE was okay on Linux but I still had some issues. XFCE on Fedora was a 
train wreck.

It was really quite a lot of links to non-installed programs and it's 
not about what I can sort though, it's that I want to present an open 
source OS to people who have never used one. It has to follow the law of 
least astonishment.

Hi good0Th

I don't really need prettiness but thanks for the post.

-Patrick



On 13-05-24 07:14 PM, Richard Toohey wrote:

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Chris Bennett — 2013-05-24T23:29:34

I started out using KDE while I was leaving Windows behind.
I now hate the KDE "experience", but I constantly have to help my Dad
with it.
I am constantly bugged by desperate Windows users looking for help but
unable to make that dreadful jump into a free and secure operating
system like OpenBSD, even when I offer them a USB drive to check it out.

What exactly are you looking for when you say a "GUI"?
That really covers a huge field.
What does it need to cover?

I use spectrwm. Fits me perfectly. Fast and low memory.

But it might not be right for you.
Try a bunch of different window managers.
There are a lot of crappy ones. A few good ones.

Chris Bennett

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

goodb0fh — 2013-05-24T23:17:44

I have been an OpenBSD user since 2.3 or 2.4 and I agree.  If you want a pretty GUI, go with OS X.

There is another route.  Have your collectors be OpenBSD.  Write a pretty GUI in Objective C for iOS.

Sent from my magical iPhone 7

On May 24, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Marti Martinez <martinezah< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Richard Toohey — 2013-05-24T23:14:15

Which Windows GUI is that?

Last version I liked was Windows 2000; XP was OK, 7 a disaster, and 
sounds like Microsoft are backpedaling on Windows 8 and the tile-based 
approach.

Not sure there is any perfect GUI - if you are looking for something 
exactly like Windows, then you are going to have Windows (but as I say, 
"Windows" is a moving target - you talking about XP, 7 or 8, or "Blue"?)

KDE 4 and Gnome 3 have been big jumps from their previous versions.

I've been through KDE 3.5.10 to Gnome 3 to cwm, currently on XFCE which 
suits me personally.

If you get put off by a few links to non-installed applications, then 
don't think much is going to help you.

OS X looks nice, but there are a few frustrations in there, too. And if 
your customers prefer the Windows experience, then it's no help - it's 
not Windows, it is different.

Anyway, everything is meant to be on the cloud, Web 2.0 (or is it 3.0), 
iOS, Android, etc. so no-one cares about the desktop anymore. Yeah, right!

Good luck!

Re: Seeking GUI refuge

Marti Martinez — 2013-05-24T22:59:30

Gnome isn't bad on OpenBSD, but depending on what you don't like about
linux, that may not live up to your expectations.

Frankly, though, as an almost life-long Windows user both personally
and professionally, if I had GUI concerns I'd seriously consider
whether OSX was a viable option rather than Windows. With that said, I
wouldn't target either platform for X11.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Patrick Mc(avery
<spell_gooder_now< at >spellingbeewinnars.org> wrote:

Seeking GUI refuge

Patrick Mc(avery — 2013-05-24T22:48:05

Hi Everyone

My name is Patrick, this is my first post here.

I switched my primary computer from Windows to Linux about 9 years ago.

I service scientific instruments. About 12 years ago I became aware of 
the brutal conditions scientific software is sold under. I have been 
slowly writing my own application to work with these instruments, it's 
taken a long time because I have had to learn to code.

I had always planed on deploying on Linux.

While about 7 out of the 9 years with Linux have been good, the 
graphical experience on Linux has plummeted for me. I don't really want 
to send prospective customers to Linux any more. I am fearing that 
Windows may end up being my only option.

It looks like OpenBSD is all about software correctness and I am sure it 
will be great to work with, in a sort of "back end" way but is there a 
desktop manager to work with it that can match the reliability of OpenBSD?

I tried to load Fluxbox and was disappointed with it. It had several 
menubuttons for application that w

Re: Xephyr bug with Firefox

Charles Evans — 2013-05-24T20:28:43

I also run Firefox in Xephyr - on debian 32bit.
I _often_ have had the capslock or shift get stuck, 
and I too always had to restart Xephyr.

IIRC it always got stuck when I alt-tab away from (or back to) Xephyr
(maybe because I hit the shift key accidentally? 
or maybe the capslock was on? )

I hope you can find an answer; please let me know.
If you file a bug, please forward it to me &/or send me a link.

Thanks
Charles

Re: BCM5719C/BCM5720 partially working

Mike Belopuhov — 2013-05-24T21:37:24

Hmm, rx is screwed up for sure. take a look at "-s 200": it won't
lock up, but messages are received incorrectly, part of the payload
gets duplicated.  

So it looks like that chip gets hung when it's receiving, but since
we don't transmit anything and don't reset the timer watchdog fires.



It confirms my suspicion that it's not IPMI related.


I'm not OR'ing it in, I'm overwriting the value.


That chunk should be removed.  It collided with other changes
and didn't make it into the diff by mistake.


I've followed FreeBSD here. If you inspect the Linux driver you'll
find the same:

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.c#n16149
http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.c#n1479

I guess we need to think about it a bit more.
Tests will help though.


For bge I'd guess that FreeBSD is an upstream, yet we don't sync
with it very often.  But anyways this surely have to be tested.  


I g

Re: Thinkpad X230t convertible and openbsd

Christian Weisgerber — 2013-05-24T14:25:51


Where would I find this information?  It's not on the invoice and
there is no sticker.

Linux Xorg security issues

Jan Lambertz — 2013-05-24T13:55:01

Thanks Paul for this information. OpenBSD developers are fast as lightning.
Great !

Re: BCM5719C/BCM5720 partially working

David Imhoff — 2013-05-24T13:48:15

Mike Belopuhov wrote on 2013-05-23 21:55:

I also tried fixing auto-polling mode, but it kept giving me a lot
of bogus interrupts(few hundred) after bringing the link up. Using
the LNKRDY signal just gives 2 interrupts.


In my setup the problem seems RX related. Sending a 1450
byte ping to a non-existing host using a forced arp entry works.
But when i do the same on the remote host and run tcpdump on
the BCM5719 interface, the controller crashes and the
watchdog will trigger when trying to send a (small) packet.

My steps to reproduce:
  - connect bge host to a remote host using a hub or direct link
  - on bge host:
    # ifconfig bge0 192.168.1.1
    # tcpdump -n -i bge0
  - on remote host:
    # ifconfig ??? 192.168.1.2
    # arp -s 192.168.1.4 02:11:11:11:11:14
    # ping -c 1 192.168.1.4
    # ping -s 1450 -c 5 192.168.1.4
  - on bge host, tcpdump shows only 1 packet received
  - on bge host: ping -c 1 192.168.1.2
  - wait a bit, and notice the watchdog reset


Both of my BCM5719 cards are PCI/E expansi

Linux Xorg security issues

Jan Lambertz — 2013-05-24T13:33:32

Hi,
reading a news post
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM3ODA
it turned out that there might be a number of security issues with xorg on
linux (really ? Lol ). I wonder how that affects the openbsd xorg. Can
anyone with more insight share his knowledge ?

Jan

HP Pavilion a1516in : Minitower...

Rajneesh N. Shetty — 2013-05-24T10:16:47

Dear Peter &/or Miscelleneous < at > bsd,
I purchased my HP Pavilion in India, (it
was actually a present from Dad) had the full version of MS media centre
edition.Due to various reasons I had to uninstall it...did however back it up
to external drives.

I've tried loading Debian 6.5 (Squeeze), Fedora 18 but
they refuse to install, Even Knoppix 6.5 refuses...

I have bought the
following card for the PCI-E slot 
64-bit, 589/1200MHz. DVI,VGA,HDMI,
GF 210 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR3 64-bit, 589/1200MHz. DVI,VGA,HDMI, DX10.1,
LOW PROFILE SILENT
numbers are:

For internet access
I only have the University wireless service provider, so therefore I bought;
TP-LINK TL-WN951N Advanced 300M wireless N PCI Adapter, Atheros, 3T3R,
2.4GHz, 802.11n/g/b, with 3 detachable antennas $39
Advanced wireless N PCI Adapter, Atheros, 3T3R, 2.4GHz,
detachable antennas
3 receiving MIMO infrastructure compared with the
3 receiving infrastructure brings improved
stability.
in long
and 11b equipment, Intel Centrino Compatibility

My HP specs althou

Re: OpenBSD on Ouya/Tegra3

Patrick Wildt — 2013-05-24T12:58:33

I don't know much about Ouya or the Tegra3, but usually you'll
need to ask the following:

a) Can I access the bootloader? (Is it u-boot? Can I boot my own stuff?)
b) Is there an (easily) accessible serial console?
c) How good is the documentation?

Once that's solved it's probably not that hard to port OpenBSD.
You just have to adjust some addresses and write drivers.
UART is the starting point there.

Also, see inline comments.

\Patrick

Am 24.05.2013 um 05:17 schrieb jordon <openbsd< at >sirjorj.com>:


Beagle- and PandaBoard don't seem to have on-chip flash, the whole
system is stored on external storage (sdcard, usb).
There are other boards though, which have their system on on-chip flash.


All BeagleBoard, BeagleBone and PandaBoard. They all work with
the beagle port.


No idea. It really depends on how accessible it is (in terms of booting
custom stuff and having a serial console). And, of course, if blobs
are needed for (proper) usage.