gmane.os.openbeos.general

Re: Cheap Haiku Computer

Bernd Ritter — 2013-06-10T08:21:51

Hi there,

the IBM Thinkpad T42 runs perfect on Haiku Alpha 4. It is listed on ebay
around €200.

Best regards,
Bernd


2013/6/9 Ryan Leavengood <leavengood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org>

Re: Cheap Haiku Computer

Ryan Leavengood — 2013-06-09T20:11:17

At the moment the machine is quite behind, not even running Alpha 4.1.
I intend to update it soon, at least to Alpha 4.1 but more likely to a
recent nightly (I usually ask around to see what other Haiku
developers think is stable.)

I really have not used the sound, but a USB mouse and keyboard have worked fine.

I will test sound on it with whatever current revision of Haiku it is
running, then test again after updating.

I'm sorry to hear about the issues you are having. I'm of the opinion
we should do our best to make sure people running TuneTracker have a
good experience, as that is the closest thing Haiku has to a killer
application at the moment. I also think low-latency, reliable audio
should be a Haiku priority in general, but I know that can be
difficult. Haiku's scheduler may need some improvement to make that a
reality. Plus work in the audio drivers.

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Regards,
Ryan

Re: Cheap Haiku Computer

Jeff KP3FT — 2013-06-09T19:47:52

Hi Ryan,Thanks for the post.  Can you give me some specifics on your setup, such as:
which Haiku release are you using, and if there are any quirks or issues with sound, USB, etc?  I'm still searching for a problem-free multi-core computer to run Haiku with TuneTracker for our non-profit community volunteer-based FM radio station.  The multi-core computer we use now has issues, and is getting progressively worse.  I used to be able to connect via FTP and VNC remotely, but now it locks up the station's computer requiring a reboot.  It also stopped saving certian settings, requiring manually resetting parameters after every reboot.  It may just be bugs in the particular nightly build we're using, but making guesses and spending money to experiment with various computers will get expensive very fast.  Whatever computer we get, it definitely needs to be a multi-core.  I tried a single-core Pentium4 3-GHz Intel motherboard, but even that would make the audio choppy and jittery when opening applications wh

Cheap Haiku Computer

Ryan Leavengood — 2013-06-09T19:30:53

I'm not normally one to post things like this, but I thought it might
be useful to some people.

NewEgg has a refurbished Core 2 Duo Dell desktop machine with 4 GB of
RAM and a 1 year warranty for $185, free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2080RP5703

I have a similar machine (except with only 1 GB of RAM) which runs
Haiku quite well. The above machine comes with Windows 7 too, so it
could be a dual-boot machine, or maybe the Windows license could be
sold. My machine actually came originally with Linux so I'm sure the
above machine will also run Linux well.

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Regards,
Ryan

Re: Help for video cards supporting 1080p

Ryan Leavengood — 2013-06-08T18:29:55

I've had good luck with Intel Extreme and family integrated graphics
in Haiku. I run a fairly old Core 2 machine at 1080p, though I think I
may have it at 16 bit color depth. That might be fixable by increasing
the memory allocated to the video in the BIOS though, I would need to
check.

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Regards,
Ryan

Re: Help for video cards supporting 1080p

SMC.Collins — 2013-06-08T17:45:44

Radeon HD cards from 2000-7000 series are fairly well supported with HMDI, DVI VGA and to some degree I think display Port and Dual Link DVI

You can check 

www.haikuware.com

they have a tested hardware list. 

Sean

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From: Dario Casalinuovo 
To: haiku-uGLqWuYN4qMgsBAKwltoeQ< at >public.gmane.org
Sent: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:53:45 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [haiku] Help for video cards supporting 1080p

Hello,
Can you suggest some video cards (integrated and pci-e it's not important) supporting 1080p resolutions?
This is for a friend which was impressed by Haiku, and wanted to install it.

Best Regards

Re: Just an idea

Humdinger — 2013-06-08T16:56:39

Hi Marcus!

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:47:43 +0200 Marcus Jacob wrote:

Not being a core dev, but I'd be interested to hear your ideas and 
how/if we'd be able to implement them. I suggest to re-post your offer 
on the haiku-development mailing list as some devs aren't subscribed on 
this one or don't follow meandering threads too attentively.

Regards,
Humdinger

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Help for video cards supporting 1080p

Dario Casalinuovo — 2013-06-08T12:53:45

Hello,

Can you suggest some video cards (integrated and pci-e it's not important)
supporting 1080p resolutions?

This is for a friend which was impressed by Haiku, and wanted to install it.

Best Regards

Re: Just an idea

Matt Hood — 2013-06-08T09:27:35

I was having a bit of a think today. Given BeOS's media focus, it would make sense to target the creative crowd. What if the devs could implement some kind of distributed computing system? Essentially a Beowulf cluster (or render farm), but built into the OS. It would need to be very easy to set up, I'd imagine it'd need a good API to go with it, and work over LAN. This would be a great way for people to reuse old computers laying around; just install Haiku, and enable distribution.

I realise that it'd be a pretty massive job, but it'd be worth it to have that kind of niche. What do you think?

On 07/06/2013, at 10:16, Alan Burkes <firstakir-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: Just an idea

Dale Raby — 2013-06-07T21:08:49

I would say that 10" is too big for a tablet.  You can't put it in your
pocket.

Re: Just an idea

Ari Haviv — 2013-06-07T21:00:05

Technology isn't the limiting factor, it's the ergonomics. 10" is too small
a screen and anything bigger is too heavy and harder to deal with.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Dale Raby <daleraby-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: Just an idea

Dale Raby — 2013-06-07T20:34:32

I recently acquired an Android minitablet (Proscan PLT7, $69.99 at
Wal-Mart), just for experimental purposes.  I found that for any real
work, I still prefer either a Dell Latitude D630 or one of my
desktop/tower machines that are mostly cobbled together from roadside
scrounge machines and run either Linux Mint or Fedora. 

The comparison of tablets to desktops or laptops is analogous to
comparing handguns to rifles.  I.e.: the 12-gauge shotguns I have in the
gun shop where I work are much more versatile (and lethal) than the 19th
century Colt conversion revolver I have holstered on my hip right now,
but it isn't practical to walk around a gun shop carrying a shotgun.  So
for ruffed grouse hunting, I'll take the shotgun and for the unlikely
event that some fool would come in and threaten my life, I have the
ancient revolver which may not be the best in a very unlikely gunfight,
but it will work if need be.

The tablet can do email (even encrypted email), video, web browsing and
several other tasks, though no

Re: Just an idea

Ryan Leavengood — 2013-06-07T19:55:01

Sure, at some point, if someone did the work.


People love to say that, but I don't think it is true. I have two
tablets, yet if I want to do any real work (or any amount of typing),
I go to my laptop or desktop machines. I sure as heck wouldn't be
typing this email on my iPad.

I convinced my wife that for a new computer she could get by with a
tablet, which was replacing an old MacBook. We bought an Asus
Transformer and the associated keyboard (making it almost like a
laptop), but after a little while she couldn't stand it for any kind
of real work (like writing simple documents for her job.) Now it sits
around mostly unused while she spends most of her time on a Windows 8
laptop. Of course in this case the main issue is Android sucks as an
OS for getting real work done, at least for my wife. Things like
switching between apps and copy and paste are damn near medieval. iOS
is as bad or worse.

The way Android and iOS are dumbed down make them difficult to do real
work on. They are designed as content con

Re: Just an idea

stewart woods — 2013-06-07T19:35:23

does anyone think haiku could run on smart phones, the OS war for the 
desktop is over.
people only buy tablets and smartphones, no one wants a desktop anymore.

stu...

On 06/06/2013 02:42 PM, lelldorin-Mmb7MZpHnFY< at >public.gmane.org wrote:

Re: Just an idea

Marcus Jacob — 2013-06-07T18:47:43


I'm a product manager and used to also  have been acting head of a marketing team. It is therefore up to the core devs to decide, if they would like me to get involved in the marketing related activities. ;-) I fear my coding skills have degraded over the last 15 years, therefore my code isn't up to par for contributing currently and I'm busy with StreetPainter and CodeWack anyhow.

But I would be willing to spare some time for Haiku, where I could use my current skill set.

Cheers,
Rossi

Re: Just an idea

Ryan Leavengood — 2013-06-07T17:14:09

Indeed developers should be developers, but Haiku could use some
marketers. If anyone is interested in providing help in this role
(even a little help is better than no marketing at all), please speak
up.

--
Regards,
Ryan

Re: Just an idea

Marcus Jacob — 2013-06-07T10:59:48


Hate it or not, if you want to use current hardware there is often no way around it. I for example would love to try Haiku on a (x86) based tablet, but those which I would consider all require full UEFI support to even get started.

And let's face it, this is only going to get more commonplace, as the most preinstalled OS in the world requires UEFI and OEMs tend to skip the CSM if they don't see any value in providing it.


Yeah, but most of the core contributors are developers not marketeers. And the current priorities seem to be, rightfully though, on the development side.

Cheers,
Rossi

Re: Just an idea

Marcus Jacob — 2013-06-07T10:53:33


Totally agreed, but is there anything in sight? Do we have ideas? Could we try some evangelism in this direction?


I would love an improved and up-to-date version of Pe ;-)


I would add:
- a basic implementation of security (multi-user, firewall, etc.) so that the system could act as a development staging server
- being able to boot natively on modern hardware, which nowadays not always supports BIOS anymore, i.e. UEFI boot


Cheers,
Rossi

Re: Just an idea

Sean Collins — 2013-06-07T01:16:54

/Marcus Jacob wrote:/


   I think your totally right, and trying to work with large 
multinational corporations who have lock in contracts for software 
distribution doesn't make even a iota of sense.If you wanted to do this, 
it will be all about the grass roots promoting, getting haiku into the 
local computer repair shop, getting the word out to tech and IT people. 
Its not something that we are going to solve by trying to uproot a very 
entrenched and monopolistic "abusive one at that" market holder. For all 
of the value "har har" apple has, they can't really make a dent in that 
market share.


OEM's, they support to much and not enough training and rtfm upfront.


Most of the haiku devs, are superviros and managers in some regard from 
my observations. The biggest challenge I see for Haiku is having the 
funding to pay the developers enough to finish the project into R1 
reasonably soon.

I hate uefi and efi, it solves a problem that didn't need a solution.


I doubt trying to court OEM's is even a r

Re: Just an idea

Alan Burkes — 2013-06-07T00:16:19

TuneTracker, which we've been using for years to run our FM radio station.
 With the upcoming LPFM application window that the FCC is opening, there
may possibly be some increased interest in Haiku/TuneTracker by people who
are looking for an inexpensive and dependable radio-automation system.
audio-editing program similar to Audacity would be nice.  I remember BeOS
being promoted as the "Media OS", but don't know if Haiku is promoted as
the same.
would probably become serious Haiku enthusiasts if there was Amateur Radio
software written for it. Much of Amateur Radio is heavily based on
software... the Amateur frequencies are loaded with all kinds of digital
communications using a computer connected to a transceiver, including for
example weak-signal digi communication via reflecting signals off the Moon
back to Earth (Earth-Moon-Earth, or "EME").
try new things.  I remember using software many years ago written for DOS
to communicate around the world with an old IBM XT and a homemade interface
connecting th

Re: Just an idea

Jeff KP3FT — 2013-06-06T23:57:02

I agree, targeting niches would help.  One niche it already has is TuneTracker, which we've been using for years to run our FM radio station.  With the upcoming LPFM application window that the FCC is opening, there may possibly be some increased interest in Haiku/TuneTracker by people who are looking for an inexpensive and dependable radio-automation system.
I would love to see software geared towards media.  A user-friendly audio-editing program similar to Audacity would be nice.  I remember BeOS being promoted as the "Media OS", but don't know if Haiku is promoted as the same.
Also, for a possible and likely niche, several in the Amateur Radio crowd would probably become serious Haiku enthusiasts if there was Amateur Radio software written for it. Much of Amateur Radio is heavily based on software... the Amateur frequencies are loaded with all kinds of digital communications using a computer connected to a transceiver, including for example weak-signal digi communication via reflecting signals off the