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T- 2 Weeks Until SELF 2013 ... Tons Of Important Updates!

georgia_tech_swagger — 2013-05-25T00:30:52

Important info about attending, avoiding long check-in lines, our final
schedule, the party featuring musical guest MC Frontalot, the beer list,
and more!
http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/news/t-2-weeks-...-tons-important-info

If there is somebody who is attending SELF 2013 willing to take any
leftover swag (tshirts, lanyards, etc) from the event and distribute them
to the LUG, please send me an email offlist.

The only stipulations are:
1) You must be at SELF on Sunday (at least until say noon-ish).
2) You must give everything away for free to LUG members ... reselling is
SERIOUSLY not cool.

Cheers
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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Ken Cochran — 2013-05-24T12:05:31

In this (my) particular case it was good data on the media but
a complete no-spin & the filesystems were (Free)BSD.  Either
the spindle motor or its associated electronics had failed.
I was not exactly comfortable with the idea of recovering
*that* myself...  -kc

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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Ken Cochran — 2013-05-24T03:38:18

Oops, sorry, was in a hurry...

http://www.cherrysystems.com/

They're in Marietta, IIRC pretty close to Dave & Buster's, hmm... ;)
I'm a pleased client from a few years ago.

-kc

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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Ron Frazier (ALE — 2013-05-24T03:30:37

Hi all,

I agree with what Brian said, but wanted to add some explanatory notes.

Regarding damaging the drive further, if the drive has mechanical problems, or has had a head crash or hard error, any data recovery program could cause further damage.  This is particularly true if there is crash residue on the platter surface or if, horrors, the head remains in contact with the platter.  Spinrite uses  very aggressive head movement in data recovery mode, so it shouldn't be used if you think there is physical damage to the drive.  I would think that even using ddrescue could kill a drive in that case.

I personally own Spinrite and have had good results with it.  I also recommend it.  You can find out about it at

https://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm
https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm
https://www.grc.com/cs/prepurch.htm

although some of the documentation there is a bit dated.  Steve Gibson, the inventor, also sometimes quotes user testimonials on his Security Now podcast.  Those are interesting and I believe the

Re: Numbers 8 and 9

Jeff Hubbs — 2013-05-23T16:38:36

The term that gets batted around is 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraint_of_trade.

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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Brian Mathis — 2013-05-23T16:37:32

If you wanted to try DIY, take a look at ddrescue.

There's also Spinrite, which costs money but so far it has worked really
well for me.  Some people don't like it because it writes back to the "bad"
drive and could make things worse, but I think that will mainly be an issue
if there is physical damage to the drive.

I would try to make an image using ddrescue, then you could try spinrite
and if it makes things worse, then you've already got the backup image.



❧ Brian Mathis


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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Mike Ivey — 2013-05-23T15:43:47

I'll give a +1 on SpinRite.  I've used it at my previous job and it did
bring some pretty bad drives back to life long enough to backup the data.


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Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Beddingfield, Allen — 2013-05-23T15:43:32

There really is no reason I can think of for someone to do this.  It used to be that there was a correlation in the SLES 10.x and earlier days, but that has not been the case for a long time.
Allen B.
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From: ale-bounces-S6NtOCTnm14< at >public.gmane.org [ale-bounces-S6NtOCTnm14< at >public.gmane.org] on behalf of James Taylor [James.Taylor-i2hSTF3S091baj9gzE0k7wC/G2K4zDHf< at >public.gmane.org]
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Subject: Re: [ale] SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

I'm may have missed the beginning of this, but why do you need to try match opensuse versions to sles versions?
There really is no direct correlations anymore.
I work with SLES daily as part of my business, but I always run the latest opensuse on my desktop.
-jt



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I could (or should) have gone that route.  However

Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

James Taylor — 2013-05-23T15:40:50

I'm may have missed the beginning of this, but why do you need to try match opensuse versions to sles versions?
There really is no direct correlations anymore.
I work with SLES daily as part of my business, but I always run the latest opensuse on my desktop.
-jt
 
 

James Taylor
678-697-9420
james.taylor-i2hSTF3S091baj9gzE0k7wC/G2K4zDHf< at >public.gmane.org



I could (or should) have gone that route.  However I thought that staying
in the Open SUSE11.4 will be close to SLES 11.1

Having said that, I am trying to install jdk 1.6.x and maven on Open SUSE
11.4 and I was able to get jdk installed
zypper in -y -l java-1_6_0-sun java-1_6_0-sun-devel && update-alternatives
--set java `rpm --eval %_libdir`/jvm/jre-1.6.0-sun/bin/java


Maven on the other hand I am just not able to install.  I am not able to
find an OpenSUSE 11.4 private repo so I can pull maven in.  Any suggestions.

-Narahari



On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Beddingfield, Allen <allen-h0oRs45ZYI8< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:



If this is an unsolicit

Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Beddingfield, Allen — 2013-05-23T15:39:25

FYI, this is from SUSE's slide deck regarding Java for SLES 11 SP3, which is coming out soon.

‒ Removed IBM Java 1.4.2
‒ Keeping IBM Java 6
‒ Added IBM Java 7 (1.7.0 sr4)

Allen B.
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Systems Engineer
The University of Alabama

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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [ale] SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

You can probably still get the Java 1.6 JDK from Oracle's site but you should know they've EOLed it and it has security issues.  If possible you should be moving on to 1.7.

RedHat recently announced they're leaving 1.6 in their repositories but won't be doing any bug or security fixes any longer.





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Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Lightner, Jeff — 2013-05-23T15:33:38

You can probably still get the Java 1.6 JDK from Oracle's site but you should know they've EOLed it and it has security issues.  If possible you should be moving on to 1.7.

RedHat recently announced they're leaving 1.6 in their repositories but won't be doing any bug or security fixes any longer.





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To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

That's because 11.4 has been de-supported.  It is rather old.  Check out this URL for more info on the OpenSUSE support lifecycle.
https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

While true that it is closer to SLES11, if you are going the OpenSUSE route, it is best to run 12.3.
Allen B.

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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Pete Hardie — 2013-05-23T15:22:25

Ken, do you have a link or such for Cherry?

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Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Beddingfield, Allen — 2013-05-23T15:20:49

That's because 11.4 has been de-supported.  It is rather old.  Check out this URL for more info on the OpenSUSE support lifecycle.
https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

While true that it is closer to SLES11, if you are going the OpenSUSE route, it is best to run 12.3.
Allen B.

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From: ale-bounces-S6NtOCTnm14< at >public.gmane.org [ale-bounces-S6NtOCTnm14< at >public.gmane.org] on behalf of Narahari 'n' Savitha [savithari-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:11 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

I could (or should) have gone that route.  However I thought that staying in the Open SUSE11.4 will be close to SLES 11.1

Having said that, I am trying to install jdk 1.6.x and maven on Open SUSE 11.4 and I was able to get jdk installed
zypper in -y -l java-1_6_0-sun java-1_6_0-sun-devel && update-alternatives --set java `rpm --eval %_libdir`/j

Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Narahari 'n' Savitha — 2013-05-23T15:11:39

I could (or should) have gone that route.  However I thought that staying
in the Open SUSE11.4 will be close to SLES 11.1

Having said that, I am trying to install jdk 1.6.x and maven on Open SUSE
11.4 and I was able to get jdk installed
zypper in -y -l java-1_6_0-sun java-1_6_0-sun-devel && update-alternatives
--set java `rpm --eval %_libdir`/jvm/jre-1.6.0-sun/bin/java


Maven on the other hand I am just not able to install.  I am not able to
find an OpenSUSE 11.4 private repo so I can pull maven in.  Any suggestions.

-Narahari



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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Ted Wood — 2013-05-23T15:11:02

I'll throw another +1 in for myhaddrivedied.com. Scott is a great guy
and he really knows his stuff. If he can't recover it, chances are it's
not going to be recoverable.

On a side note (and some may call me crazy) I've had good luck using
SpinRite (yes, the SpinRite from Steve Gibson of Security Now! fame).
Say what you will but I've used it on several occasions and had it get a
disk working well enough to read the data off to another medium. Scott
will tell you it's a waste of money and it might cause more harm than
good (in some cases this may be true) but I've had luck with it so I
thought it was worth a mention.

</$0.02>

Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Ken Cochran — 2013-05-23T14:44:16

Heard good things of them too (Moulton).
(Excellent) personal experience with Cherry, In Marietta.
Evidently we're fortunate to have some *good* local choices.

-kc

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Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Beddingfield, Allen — 2013-05-23T14:40:52

Why not install a more modern version of OpenSUSE if you are going that route?  12.3 is the current version.  A quick search of software.opensuse.org (build service) shows the version you are looking for as being available for 12.3.

Allen B.



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From: ale-bounces-S6NtOCTnm14< at >public.gmane.org [ale-bounces-S6NtOCTnm14< at >public.gmane.org] on behalf of Narahari 'n' Savitha [savithari-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:37 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

I installed Open SUSE 11.4 on another VM and I am working on it.  It seems to be a bit more saner than 11.1

I installed subversion on it and it looks good.

However when I am trying to install maven a java build tool, I am not able to find it.

I dont expect OpenSUSE repos to host this package but how to find private ones ?

-Narahari


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Bedd

Re: SLES, OpenSuse and the 11.1 conundrum

Narahari 'n' Savitha — 2013-05-23T14:37:15

I installed Open SUSE 11.4 on another VM and I am working on it.  It seems
to be a bit more saner than 11.1

I installed subversion on it and it looks good.

However when I am trying to install maven a java build tool, I am not able
to find it.

I dont expect OpenSUSE repos to host this package but how to find private
ones ?

-Narahari


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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Pete Hardie — 2013-05-23T14:35:45

Thanks for the link,  I will check them out

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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Mike Ivey — 2013-05-23T14:20:38

I have heard good things about Scott Moulton's myharddrivedied.com. I have
not used him personally, but I have been to a few of his talks. This guy
really knows his stuff.


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Hard Drive data recovery services?

Pete Hardie — 2013-05-23T13:56:06

ISTR that the topic of data recovery has come up before on the list.  Does
anyone have recommendations for good places to get data recovered off a
laptop drive?  The wife's laptop appears to have crapped out and she did
not have the latest set of photos backed up

TIA,

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