http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1181 <pre> Hi Ian. Since the resolution is only binding on SPI I read it with that limitation in mind (the wording comes from the template). Ie we aren't asserting that Stefano is an authoritative decision maker in an absolute sense but that he is the authoritative decision maker as far as SPI is concerned. Having said that, IANAL. Associated projects have a variety of internal governance structures but present a well defined interface to SPI. I'm not sure if you read the entire application but FFmpeg specify that they will have a 7 day review period of any reimbursement request on the ffmpeg-devel&lt; at &gt;ffmpeg.org list. By the time SPI receives the request it has passed through the 7 day review period and has not been vetoed by the project maintainer (currently Michael Niedermayer). [SNIP suggestion for revised wording for brevity] Resolution 2004-08-10.iwj.1 already grants SPI the ability to act if project governance has broken down: "If a Project's internal organization or procedures are unclear or d</pre> Robert Brockway 2012-05-24T22:29:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1180 <pre>Robert Brockway writes ("FFmpeg as SPI associated project"): ... I don't think this is correct. I went to look at the ffpmeg-devel list https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2012-May/thread.html https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2012-May/124311.html and Stefano is not the project's autocrat, which is what "authoritative decision maker" would mean to me. (NB I'm not accusing Stefano of some kind of power grab, or anything. But we should get this right and one of the reasons for writing this stuff down now is so that we have something to refer to in the future if there should be any kind of argument.) Given what I understand to be the internal processes in FFmpeg I would prefer to see something like this: Stefano Sabatini is recognised by SPI as the current liason for FFmpeg. SPI expects him to inform us of decisions relating to SPI made by the FFmpeg project, and we will honour his requests in accordance with the Framework for Associated Projects. Howev</pre> Ian Jackson 2012-05-24T17:56:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1179 <pre>Hi all. FFmpeg has applied to become an SPI Associated project. Comments and questions are welcome. I support and am sponsoring this application because: * FFmpeg is a genuine Free Software community project: FFmpeg is released under the GPL or LGPL licenses depending on the choice of configuration options. * FFmpeg has an established development community and history of software releases. The initial release of FFmpeg was in December 2000 and the project continues to be actively developed. * FFmpeg is used by a broad audience: FFmpeg is widely used on Linux, Microsoft Windows and many other operating systems both as a standalone tool and as part of other applications. The resolution below is proposed to be submitted to the June 14 board meeting: SPI resolution 2012-05-25.rtb.1 WHEREAS 1. FFmpeg is a substantial and significant Free Software project. 2. The FFmpeg developers would like SPI's support and assistance, including taking Donations, Holding Funds and legal assistance. THE SPI B</pre> Robert Brockway 2012-05-24T13:00:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1178 <pre>This report uses a cash-based method of accounting, recording donations when deposited (not when the check was written or received by us) and recording expenses when sent or scheduled for payment (not when incurred). Income Statement for the Period April 01, 2012 - April 30, 2012 Income Ordinary Income Arch Linux 360.00 DebConf 12 5,110.00 Debian 3,803.50 Drizzle 150.00 FreeDesktop.org 27,000.00 Gallery 50.00 Jenkins 100.00 LibreOffice 110.00 PostgreSQL 500.00 Privoxy 25.00 SPI General 205.76 SPI 5% 271.80 The HeliOS Project 200.00 YafaRay Code Sprint 127.50 YafaR</pre> Michael Schultheiss 2012-05-17T17:38:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1177 <pre> yaaay! Great work guys. /me files a whole buncha stuff in the "treasurer" queue ... </pre> Josh Berkus 2012-04-30T22:28:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1176 <pre> For a summary here: We have RT now, contributing members have read access and can find the password in the -private list. </pre> Joerg Jaspert 2012-04-30T14:33:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1175 <pre>Hi, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:30:48PM +1000, Robert Brockway wrote: NPCC seems like a great organization with lots of useful resources. If we have sufficient connections to NYC for them to want to accept us, we should join them whether or not we get the insurance from them. We do have two non-officer board members in NYC, and held one event here (DebConf10), and have ties to parts of NY state other than NYC, but that's it. If they've dealt with a FOSS foundation before, that's useful relevant experience for them to understand us. Even more so if the foundation's leadership was international and mostly working remotely as volunteers. Wonderful, thank you. - Jimmy Kaplowitz jimmy&lt; at &gt;spi-inc.org </pre> Jimmy Kaplowitz 2012-04-22T04:20:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1174 <pre>Hi all. SPI is investigating options for Directors and Officers insurance. I'm interested in any recommendations for insurance companies, brokers or other organisaations who offer D&amp;O insurance packages suitable for US not-for-profit corporations. Please feel free to provide recommendations in reply to this email or via private email if you prefer. Here are a couple of recommendations I have already: Nonprofit Coordinating Committee of New York http://www.npccny.org/info/oi2.htm Using NPCC's insurance requires being a member of the organisation. Membership would cost no more than $250 and seems to provide affordable D&amp;O insurance for members. The Weiner Company http://www.weinerco.com/ A similar FOSS foundation went through this company and were apparently happy with the result. I will be getting pricing for D&amp;O insurance and presenting it for discussion. Cheers, Rob </pre> Robert Brockway 2012-04-22T02:30:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1173 <pre>Josh Berkus &lt;josh&lt; at &gt;postgresql.org&gt; Huh? When did the board ever suggest that they were waiting for this discussion to finish before deploying something? I think most of us know we were just shouting into the well here. Good luck with your new ticketing system, </pre> MJ Ray 2012-04-17T18:35:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1172 <pre>MJ, Sorry, didn't mean to imply that it wasn't a legitimate question. I was just seeing the discussion go off into a tangent, and possibly blocking deploying something several people could use *right now*. --Josh Berkus </pre> Josh Berkus 2012-04-16T17:27:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1171 <pre> Just wanted to add belated support for MJ's point here: the ability to migrate to other systems is a great advantage of open source; having SPI set an example of including it in their decision making process seems like a good idea as part of both responsible maintenance and forward planning, and as practical advocacy for free software. FWIW, as well as access via the underlying db (and the ability to look at the source code to understand how the db is setup); rt has a reasonable REST interface which is also available via a command line tool -- see http://requesttracker.wikia.com/wiki/REST and http://requesttracker.wikia.com/wiki/CLI or the rt-command deb (not separated out from the "rt" rpm in Fedora). Cheers, aj </pre> Anthony Towns 2012-04-16T07:51:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1170 <pre>josh&lt; at &gt;postgresql.org Look, it was a legitimate question and something that I felt the board should include in their decision-making. I'm not suggesting that you don't make a decision! It also seems to be that no-one in this discussion knows of anything that's notably better, so everything sucks and this point seems to be sort of a no-op. Oh well! It looks to me like the biggest thing that could have hindered the decision being made was that josh didn't show up for the meeting where this was on the agenda and didn't even send apologies. Happily, enough other board members attended to make quorum. That sounds a lot like "We must do something! This is something, therefore we must do this!" which is silly and dangerous. At least email boxes have standards (too many, but still), so it is possible to make things worse by adopting a bad system. But I agree that RT seems a fair decision in this situation and wish SPI well with it. Regards, </pre> MJ Ray 2012-04-15T11:32:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1169 <pre>Quoting Adam Sampson &lt;ats&lt; at &gt;offog.org&gt;: Guys: please don't let the perfect be the enemy of getting anything done. Currently we don't have a ticket tracking system *at all*. Regardless of the system we adopt, it will be better (and easier to migrate) than the assorted email boxes of various board members. RT is open source, it's available, our IT volunteers have experience with it, and it's neither better nor worse than most other issue trackers. It's "good enough". Please stop the bikeshedding. Thanks! </pre> josh< at >postgresql.org 2012-04-14T20:17:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1168 <pre> My hack for this was even more horrible: http://offog.org/darcs/misccode/rt-to-trac (I don't remember why I couldn't have the script do queries against the database directly; I think I didn't have access to the database myself.) It did work, though... </pre> Adam Sampson 2012-04-13T17:38:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1167 <pre>josh&lt; at &gt;postgresql.org I do run it on postgresql whenever I can (I really believe in SPI's affiliated projects, you see). There's still something like 25 tables to extract from and I seem to recall that the foreign key relationships (such as a transaction to its creator) are not explicit, probably because it also runs on databases that don't handle foreign keys so well. Have you tried one? I think some RT users are basically stuck in it so I'd like the board to consider how SPI will move on if/when the time comes. I always tell people to think about the exit routes with most software, whether proprietary or FOSS. The exit route from RT that I've used in the past was basically dumping the live tickets to text and reparsing that. It's not great. I don't remember if I used rt2mbox or a script that hammered the rt client. I've seen something similar done when a project moved from bugzilla, so it may be that few bug trackers do better. I've used a lot but not migrated between that many combinations of them s</pre> MJ Ray 2012-04-13T15:27:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1166 <pre>MJ, Run it on Postgres. Since PostgreSQL is an Affliliated project, you can then count on having someone to do a direct database extraction, if required. --Josh </pre> josh< at >postgresql.org 2012-04-13T13:21:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1165 <pre>Watch out for the move to 17th May for next meeting and the call for help with the PHP membership management system. Share and enjoy! HIGHLIGHTS 21:01:06 &lt;bdale&gt; *GAVEL* 21:01:06 &lt;bdale&gt; [item 1, Opening] Welcome to today's Software in the Public Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order. Today's agenda and details of pending resolutions can be found on the web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/meetings/agendas/2012/2012-04-12/ [item 2, Roll Call] 21:01:17 &lt;Noodles&gt; Jonathan McDowell 21:01:17 &lt;Clint&gt; Clint Adams 21:01:18 &lt;zobel&gt; Martin Zobel-Helas 21:01:19 &lt;Hydroxide&gt; Jimmy Kaplowitz 21:01:21 &lt;bdale&gt; Bdale Garbee 21:01:21 &lt;Ganneff&gt; Joerg Jaspert 21:01:24 &lt;Solver&gt; Robert Brockway 21:01:26 &lt;schultmc&gt; Michael Schultheiss [item 3, President's Report] 21:02:21 &lt;bdale&gt; My apologies to the board for my absence from our last meeting, I suffered an unanticipated airline flight delay that day. [item 4, Treasurer's Report] 21:02:34 &lt;schultmc&gt; standard report was mailed out and is in the agenda.</pre> MJ Ray 2012-04-13T09:14:49 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1164 <pre>In case you're wondering what the difference is between the initial report and the corrected report, the initial report was missing an expense for Jenkins. </pre> Michael Schultheiss 2012-04-12T16:46:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1163 <pre>This report uses a cash-based method of accounting, recording donations when deposited (not when the check was written or received by us) and recording expenses when sent or scheduled for payment (not when incurred). Income Statement for the Period March 01, 2012 - March 31, 2012 Income Ordinary Income Arch Linux 518.94 DebConf 11 270.00 Debian 21,965.41 Drizzle 100.00 FreeDesktop.org 25.00 Gallery 105.00 LibreOffice 141.00 PostgreSQL 861.00 SPI General 100.00 SPI 5% 212.87 The HeliOS Project 1,440.00 YafaRay Code Sprint 256.00 YafaRay 15.00 Total Ordinary Income 26,010.22 </pre> Michael Schultheiss 2012-04-12T06:00:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1162 <pre>This report uses a cash-based method of accounting, recording donations when deposited (not when the check was written or received by us) and recording expenses when sent or scheduled for payment (not when incurred). Income Statement for the Period March 01, 2012 - March 31, 2012 Income Ordinary Income Arch Linux 518.94 DebConf 11 270.00 Debian 21,965.41 Drizzle 100.00 FreeDesktop.org 25.00 Gallery 105.00 LibreOffice 141.00 PostgreSQL 861.00 SPI General 100.00 SPI 5% 212.87 The HeliOS Project 1,440.00 YafaRay Code Sprint 256.00 YafaRay 15.00 Total Ordinary Income 26,010.22 </pre> Michael Schultheiss 2012-04-12T03:26:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.spi.general/1161 <pre> I don't believe any options have been considered. I've run quite a few RT instances over the last 12 years or so at different organisations. They've all been very long lived. The only time I've retired an RT instance it was left running on a virtual box for reference and no attempt was made to migrate the data. Cheers, Rob </pre> Robert Brockway 2012-04-11T11:25:03 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.org.spi.general