http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9090 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Orlando Leibovitz 2008-12-04T03:16:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9089 Steve sent this url along: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html .. which addresses the previous threads on the election, and why folks vote one way or another. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Owen Densmore 2008-12-03T21:58:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9088 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Don Begley 2008-12-03T18:33:31 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9087 I just downloaded the OpenJDK: http://openjdk.java.net/ for Mac -- named SoyLatte http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ .. and it works like a charm! This is really nifty: in the past, Mac users had to wait for ages for Apple to catch up, mainly due to window manager / swing porting. Now we have a java that is latest and greatest using Apple's X11. It also allows you to start trying 64-bit versions on the Mac. I suspect various Linux users will also like this, they likely have similar problems with the old releases. Cool! -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Owen Densmore 2008-12-03T01:29:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9086 (sorry if this is a repeat) A robust theory would then be one that is accessible by many explanations, unifying them by showing how they could make equivalent paths through an heuristic. It would serve to maintain open questions by allowing them to be more local. A theory with only one explanation would be a crappy theory; mistakes would propagate more globally instead of getting metabolized more locally. I liked Phil's second question, which I take to lead more towards using models to make sense of the present, rather than to "predict" ; Another one would be "who's environment?", which I think leads one back to ontology formation/niche construction. Is it not so much that prediction is "bad" but rather that it is quaint for the types of questions we want/need to ask? Carl Phil Henshaw wrote: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://ww Carl Tollander 2008-12-02T21:03:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9085 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Carl Tollander 2008-12-02T19:28:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9084 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Nicholas Thompson 2008-12-02T18:56:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9083 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Phil Henshaw 2008-12-02T18:09:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9082 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Nicholas Thompson 2008-12-02T17:31:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9081 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Phil Henshaw 2008-12-02T15:28:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9080 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Robert Holmes 2008-12-02T01:41:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9079 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Nicholas Thompson 2008-12-01T20:03:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9078 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Phil Henshaw 2008-12-01T18:48:06 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9077 Thus spake Russ Abbott circa 11/30/2008 09:31 PM: Speaking from ignorance, as I usually do, it strikes me that the concepts "robustness" and "consistency" are related. It sounds like that definition of robustness biases it toward the concept of consistency. I would accept "things are (relatively) consistent if they are accessible (detectable, ...) in a variety of independent ways." Formally, a stronger sense would be "things are consistent if they obtain regardless of the way they're accessed." There's part of the concept of robustness that is left out of that definition (which biases it toward consistency). I think that might be something more like "vigor" or emphasis -- the capability of surviving onslaught. And that sort of concept lends itself nicely to the type of technophilic scientific discoveries you refer to above. Even if there's only a single path to a result, if that result has intense meaning, emphasis, or "vigor" as a concept, then it is robust. E.g. a long sought after datum validating glen e. p. ropella 2008-12-01T16:48:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9076 Fair point if he was talking about science and how its done. But it seems to me this was about ontology. (Yeah, he's got some chops in science and engineering, and yeah, the referral was from Corfield who worries a lot about how math communities work, but this is maybe not about science per se, but only by way of illustration of a more philosophical point). The footnote on the mesosome re instrumentalities example might be of interest. I do like the robustness definition. I did not see where secondary properties were accessible only through 'one sense' (in any case, there are a lot of taste buds and the brain areas they're connected to overlap - yeah, salt tastes salty, but what is necessary and sufficient (re Okham's safety razor) for that? Access 'points' (I want another word but its late) here are not necessarily people or even agents). best, C. Russ Abbott wrote: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11 Carl Tollander 2008-12-01T06:44:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9075 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Russ Abbott 2008-12-01T05:31:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9074 Of late, I've become interested (AKA "mildly obsessed") in/with William Wimsatt's work. (hmmm, U of Chicago, aren't some folks recently in the news from there?) Always liked the notion of processes selecting for accessibility (to maybe see what I'm talking about, study the Hasegawa dyptich at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_(negative_space) for a few minutes/hours). Not to mention the whole Occam's Razor show at the SF Complex continues to reverberate with the local Taiko folk and Wimsatt's paper has some insights there in the first several pages. So anyhow, "interested", so here, have a pod... From N-Category Cafe, originally - http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2008/11/mathematical_robustness.html Thence to the eminently devourable paper: http://www.institutnicod.org/Reduction/7.OntComplSys.pdf (pictures are worth several hundred words). and then to the interviews at: http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/071004/limited-beings.shtml (Nicely assembled, short, pithy.) which refer to his Carl Tollander 2008-12-01T04:46:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9073 See the editorial and the interview.... http://tinyurl.com/57ovw4 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Carl Tollander 2008-12-01T03:43:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9072 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Tom Johnson 2008-12-01T02:45:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/9071 "Even Albert Einstein found himself misled by preconceptions when, in 1917, he fudged his equations describing a mathematical model of the universe to make it static and unchanging, as he though it should be. When, 12 years later, Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe is expanding, Einstein admitted his ‘blunder’ – if he’d not been blinkered by expectations, he’d have been able to predict Hubble’s finding." If that's the "intro".. then perhaps is the post script is.... -If only we were so lucky as to be as unassuming as Einstein... 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