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[Chandler-dev] Mail server switched

Jared Rhine — 2008-10-06T19:31:35

The OSAF mail servers have been switched; mail is flowing again. This message serves as a test of the OSAF mailing lists. There may be errors or problems that haven't been caught. Please report any mail-related issues. Probably in a few days we can assume that we're back to fully stable.

[Chandler-dev] Mail outage today

Jared Rhine — 2008-10-06T15:33:55

Today I'll be switching OSAF email services to a new server. Incoming email to individuals and mailing lists will be disrupted and the ability to retrieve email for those with OSAF email accounts will be on hold too. I haven't selected a particular time window yet, as I'd like to coordinate directly with some testers on IRC, but it will probably be shortly after 11am and last around an hour. DNS propagation may be unpredictable but should be resolved quickly. There is a worst case where some email is lost but generally mail should be queued. Existing email users shouldn't need to change any settings; all mail services and passwords should work on the new box.

[Chandler-dev] More Bugzilla Cleanup

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-03T16:13:08

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Re: 1.0.2 Build (Was: [Chandler-dev] Release plan for Chandler 1.0.xand priorities)

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-03T13:58:11

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Re: 1.0.2 Build (Was: [Chandler-dev] Release plan for Chandler 1.0.xand priorities)

Sheila Mooney — 2008-10-03T03:24:57

I forgot to bring this up during our check in. I have been using 1.0.2 and haven't run into any issues. Mimi, is there anything specific you wanted to spend more time testing? Cheers, Sheila On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Grant Baillie wrote: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev

[Chandler-dev] Checkin 10/2/2008

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-02T18:19:40

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[Chandler-dev] "Sharing with Yourself" versus "Sharing with Others"

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-01T23:43:46

https://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8928 One of the most common sources of user questions and issues is the lack of differentiation between "Sharing with yourself" and "Sharing with others". It affects both new user ramp up (usability) and day-to- day usefulness. Not surprisingly, this issue has turned out to be a sticky issue in the re-architecture. Jeffrey has pointed out that really, there needs to be considerable server work in order for "Sharing with yourself" to truly work smoothly. So I thought I would take the initial step of outlining what the design requirements are, and then we can work backwards to figure out what our implementation options are. 1. Users need to be able to share ALL attributes with themselves, but keep some attributes private when sharing with others. e.g. Read/ Unread/Needs reply status, when alarm's pop-up, BCC, private annotations? 2. We shouldn't display any "created by / edited by" info in the Who column if a user is only sharing wit

Re: [Chandler-dev] Re: Instructions on changing UTC time zones

Grant Baillie — 2008-10-01T22:57:56

On 1 Oct, 2008, at 14:16, Jeffrey Harris wrote: Hmm ... 1) Not all windows keyboards have a windows button (e.g. my thinkpad doesn't). It might be better to say to use the "Run..." item in the Start menu. 2) In that case, I can enter C:\Program Files\Chandler\release \RunPython.bat to run Chandler 1.0.x's python. (A long time ago, I changed my install path to be Chandler, not Chandler + version; unless you change it yourself, the windows installer will forever install into the directory you first installed into). 3) Note that the above RunPython is in the release dir, not release\bin. 4) The c:\progra1~ business is using DOS-style path mangling; I'm not sure if that is consistent across machines. I also don't think it's necessary in general(?); it certainly isn't for me. 5) The Mac instructions won't work unless you have vobject installed into your system python (Most people won't, I'd guess). Instead of "python" in the instructions, it should be something like: /Applications/Cha

[Chandler-dev] [Sum][Proposal] Triage Sort in the Re-architecture

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-01T22:46:30

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[Chandler-dev] Re: Instructions on changing UTC time zones

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-01T21:28:59

Thx Jeffrey: http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/TroubleshootChandler# (UTC)%20Events%20I%20imported%20show%20up On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Jeffrey Harris wrote: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev

[Chandler-dev] Re: Instructions on changing UTC time zones

Jeffrey Harris — 2008-10-01T21:16:04

Hi Mimi, c:\programs\chandler won't work on Windows. Something like: c:\progra~1\chandler1.0 might work for 1.0 versions of Chandler. You've also got a spurious extra space between the directory and the filename, which is liable to confuse people. Other than that, you might mention that the converted file is filename.ics.converted Sincerely, Jeffrey _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev

[Chandler-dev] Instructions on changing UTC time zones

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-01T21:05:50

Hi, I beefed up the troubleshooting directions for how to use the change_tz.py file. Jeffrey or Grant, could you take a look to make sure I didn't get something completely wrong. I know the instructions can be more generic, but I wanted them to be understandable by someone who has never done stuff in the command line before. http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/TroubleshootChandler#(UTC)% 20Events%20I%20imported%20show%20up Mimi _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev

Re: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar

Benjamin M. Schwartz — 2008-10-01T17:17:18

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mimi Yin wrote: | Hi Ben, | | An IRC chat would be good. Do you have any thoughts on discussion | topics? That's a hard question. The best I've come up with is: "what can Chandler and Sugar share?" | On our end, it will probably be another couple of months before | Grant / Jeffrey are ready to release the first round of work they've | done on the re-architecture project. In the meantime however, I can | familiarize myself a bit more with how things work in Sugar. If you're interested in the design of Sugar, I'll certainly be happy to answer any questions that I can. Also, Sugar developers, including the lead UI designer, hang out in #sugar on irc.freenode.net. I'm not always there, since I'm firewalled at work, but it's usually fairly active. | One question that springs to mind is: | | Are you thinking of Chandler as an UI layer for managing all the user's | data? Essentially providing a "task management / calendar" view that | cuts across all your "Activ

Re: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar

Mimi Yin — 2008-10-01T16:17:49

Hi Ben, An IRC chat would be good. Do you have any thoughts on discussion topics? On our end, it will probably be another couple of months before Grant / Jeffrey are ready to release the first round of work they've done on the re-architecture project. In the meantime however, I can familiarize myself a bit more with how things work in Sugar. One question that springs to mind is: Are you thinking of Chandler as an UI layer for managing all the user's data? Essentially providing a "task management / calendar" view that cuts across all your "Activities"? (I imagine that currently, this is the primary function of the Journal?) Or, would Chandler be one of the Activities that is logged in the Journal? Mimi On Sep 29, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev

[Chandler-dev] Checkin 9/30/2008

Mimi Yin — 2008-09-30T18:29:37

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RE: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar

Nitin Gupta — 2008-09-30T06:13:11

Hi Ben, Chandler is also accompanied with a PIM Server which is called Cosmo. I am not very sure but may be you can also integrate a locally running Cosmo application's variant with the Sugar software. A scale down web app should not take much memory. Regards, Nitin -----Original Message----- From: chandler-dev-bounces-qjLDD68F18NQjKuuocTa10qCLAeBNdoH< at >public.gmane.org [mailto:chandler-dev-bounces-qjLDD68F18NQjKuuocTa10qCLAeBNdoH< at >public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin M. Schwartz Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:10 AM To: chandler-dev-qjLDD68F18NQjKuuocTa10qCLAeBNdoH< at >public.gmane.org Subject: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Chandler devs, My name is Ben Schwartz, and I'm a volunteer with OLPC (the One Laptop Per Child foundation) and Sugar Labs, the spinoff charitable foundation working on the OLPC system software. That software is called Sugar, and it implements a new UI for mobile devices. Its design is intended to enable easy collaboration, c

Re: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar

Benjamin M. Schwartz — 2008-09-29T21:35:47

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mimi Yin wrote: | Hi Ben, | | I'm the product designer on the Chandler Project. Chandler on OLPC | sounds interesting indeed. Wow, cool! | As Davor pointed out, porting the existing codebase isn't practical. | However, we are in the midst of a re-architecture effort that might of | interest to your development team. Oh well. That's not unexpected; most desktop applications today are too heavy for our target hardware. | Grant recently kicked off a thread about it on the dev-list: | http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/chandler-dev/2008-September/010300.html That is definitely interesting. It might be fun to have an IRC meeting, at least, to learn about each other's projects. The problems that we are trying to solve are ostensibly very different, but the solutions we are designing have some striking similarities. Many of the features described there are things we are trying to integrate directly into our OS/environment infrastructure. For example, a

[Chandler-dev] Re: Builds offline temporarily

Jared Rhine — 2008-09-29T20:34:10

The move is basically complete. I've moved DNS to the new server and broken the paniolo tree so it doesn't get used accidentally. Tinderbox is completely offline. I've built Chandler Desktop from source on the Mac and that completely successfully. The /maven and /maven2 directories are still available, and that's about the extent of the testing I'm planning at this point. During testing, there are definitely some things that are a bit weird (the homepage for the builds site is out-of-date) but those should be reflecting things that aren't used anymore or were broken before the move. Please report any issues you have with builds.osafoundation.org. We definitely want people to be able to continue to build OSAF software easily. Developers, if you have problems (say Cosmo devs uploading jars), just let me know.

Re: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar

Mimi Yin — 2008-09-29T20:12:58

Hi Ben, I'm the product designer on the Chandler Project. Chandler on OLPC sounds interesting indeed. As Davor pointed out, porting the existing codebase isn't practical. However, we are in the midst of a re-architecture effort that might of interest to your development team. Grant recently kicked off a thread about it on the dev-list: http:// lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/chandler-dev/2008-September/ 010300.html I imagine though that the OLPC's target user (young students in developing countries) will have different use cases for Chandler than the target user we envisioned when designing the current app. I'm happy to talk more about how you envision OLPC users making use of an app like Chandler. It might be interesting to build a "Lite" version of Chandler on the re-architecture branch that is more suited to the needs of your user base. Best, Mimi On Sep 28, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "

[Chandler-dev] Builds offline temporarily

Jared Rhine — 2008-09-29T18:18:13

I'm doing some OSAF server shuffling. In particular, builds.osafoundation.org is getting moved. The Chandler Desktop and Cosmo build processes rely in part on downloading things from builds.osafoundation.org, so while this server is moving, building OSAF software from source is likely to be broken. After the move is complete, the process may continue to be broken until I fix something in the configuration or you adjust your build process somewhat (I'm thinking of uploading via ssh keys on the new box or so forth). Technically, builds.osafoundation.org is moving from paniolo, hosted at 543 Howard St, to webapp2, the same box hosting downloads, bugzilla, etc hosted at a colocation facility. The tinderbox continuous builds were shut off last Friday to minimize changes to paniolo while the data was copied over the weekend.

Re: [Chandler-dev] Chandler and Sugar

Davor Cubranic — 2008-09-29T17:51:10

I am not a developer on the project but I've been using Chandler daily for a couple of years now and I also own an XO-1 laptop. Based on my experience with the app and the laptop, I don't think they would be a good match right now. XO just doesn't have the CPU power or memory to run Chandler. Davor On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Open Source Applications Foundation "chandler-dev" mailing list http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-dev