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Re: ebay sale

Cliff Proctor — 2013-05-17T21:41:28

Fassbinder disc looks very discoloured.  i sold mine a few weeks ago and it was still perfectly clear vinyl – not brown 

From: Chris Owen 
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 9:05 PM
To: tadream< at >yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [tadream] ebay sale

Decided to auction/sell off some rare TD vinyl (*wink*) if anyone’s interested....

one example....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290917760157?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

click on ‘seller’s other items’ to view the rest....a few are signed too. Some sold already so be quick!

- Chris 

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Re: Re: Encore original CD

2013-05-17T21:02:14

Hi:

Haven`t heard any of my remastered Kraftwerk Cd`s in ages, I
remember the sound quality was great, the dissapointing fact on
those is that german sung, they just does not sound familiar
anymore. "Minimum-Maximum" DVD has the best sound quality I can
get out of my 5.1 equipment, aboslutely amazing.

As for Klaus remasters, its so noticeable they are meant to be
beautiful releases to keep and enjoy over and over, nice packaging
and full of bonus tracks,

TD`s "encore" deserves a new release of that kind, being that is
the result of a very long tour,  plenty of other great music
was played worldwide those days, much of it on our beloved TT`s

Rick


El 2013-05-17 09:22, feline1973 escribio:




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ebay sale

Chris Owen — 2013-05-17T20:05:41

Decided to auction/sell off some rare TD vinyl (*wink*) if anyone’s interested....

one example....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290917760157?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

click on ‘seller’s other items’ to view the rest....a few are signed too. Some sold already so be quick!

- Chris 


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RE: Re: Encore original CD

2013-05-17T19:30:05

The original was an excellent rendition of the original vinyl, resplendent
with the original noise/hiss (and therefore atmosphere and dynamics) on the
master tapes.
The definitive edition remaster is a disaster.


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Hmmm... I had most of the old 1980s Virgin CDs, and I bought the new Virgin
boxset bundles last year, and took the trouble to rip all the discs to my PC
and do A/B comparisons in an audio editor.

The 'Encore' remaster is certainly, um, the one I had the most technical
"issues" with, but the original 1980s CD also had many issues and to be
honest on balance I felt the remaster was still an improvement (just still
well short of a excellent job!). I would at least compare both and see which
one you prefer, before throwing one away!

I'm afraid that by this point in time I now forget the details what the
pa

Re: please ignore

earyck — 2013-05-17T18:22:17

it worked 
im good 
thanks

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please ignore

eric — 2013-05-17T18:21:32

this is a test 
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Songs I'd like to hear live

2013-05-17T15:16:42

As long as we're going to have a drummer and flute player:
Fly and Collision of Comas Sola
White Clouds
Journey through a Burning Brain


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http://www.discogs.com/Tangerine-Dream-The-Electronic-Journey/release/2547389

Frédéric Yargui — 2013-05-17T14:38:20

Hi Dreamers,
Does anyone know the source of each track of this best of CD ? Especially
the "re-rec" ones.
Already looked at the voices-in-the-net page.
I expect from DVDs like londonx astoria, 35th phaedra etc. Right ?
Thanks for the answers in advance !
Dream on :)
Fred



Tangine Scales 9-1 After The Call (Re-rec)

Composed By – Edgar Froese <http://www.discogs.com/artist/Edgar+Froese>, Paul
Haslinger <http://www.discogs.com/artist/Paul+Haslinger>

5:11 9-2 Barbakane (Re-rec)

Composed By – Franke<http://www.discogs.com/artist/Christopher+Franke?anv=Franke>
*, Edgar Froese <http://www.discogs.com/artist/Edgar+Froese>,
Schmoelling<http://www.discogs.com/artist/Johannes+Schm%C3%B6lling?anv=Schmoelling>
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6:01 9-3 Horizon (Warsaw Gate Mix) (Re-rec)

Composed By – Franke<http://www.discogs.com/artist/Christopher+Franke?anv=Franke>
*, Edgar Froese <http://www.discogs.com/artist/Edgar+Froese>,
Schmoelling<http://www.discogs.com/artist/Johannes+Schm%C3%B6lling?anv=Schmoelling>
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8:13 9-4 House Of The Risi

Re: Encore original CD

feline1973 — 2013-05-17T12:22:13

Well, I dipped my toe in the water with the remastered CD of Kraftwerk's "Autobahn".
I have to say I was appalled by the amateurish job.
Whilst they hadn't f*cked with the dynamics (plus point) and they had usefully removed some pretty obvious mains hum from some of the quieter tracks on side two (again, a plus point), they'd also applied utterly ham-fisted noise/hiss reduction, totally cranking the settings too far so that there are now really glaringly obvious digital "gurgle-wurgle" artefacts all over it. It's a total schoolboy error, and I really struggle to understand how a band so conscientious about "sound" could let something like that go on mass release!

As for the sound quality of Tangerine Dream "definitive edition" masters -
do bear in mind how those original recordings were made!  A lot of the sound sources are *mellotrons*, which involve low-bandwidth 5th generation tapes with wonky capstans! (lol which is what makes them sound so GOOD! ;)   ..... and there's tons of tape-echo and filtering a

Re: Encore original CD

Cyaron — 2013-05-16T22:38:48

Yeah, Virgin really cocked up the liner notes pretty bad.

And I don't know much about Kraftwerk, but Ive heard some of the Klaus Schulze remasters, and they sound amazing. I don't have both versions to compare side-by-side, but if the originals sound anything like the remasters, then man, that guy had more advanced production in those days than TD or Alan Parsons or maybe anyone else for several years after that. That opening track on Dig It alone (doesn't get enough recognition, for one) is just so clear and smooth, yet full and punchy at the same time ... very impressive.

If that's just due to remastering, then whoever it is in charge of that should start redoing a lot of other artists' material as well.


Cyaron



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I-Box for sale

Cliff Proctor — 2013-05-16T18:31:58

Selling my I-Box as I need to get a new passport for holiday !

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140977397456



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Re: Re: Encore original CD

2013-05-16T17:02:35

Never had others rather than all the "definitive edition" `s, so thanks
for you review. I still think the "definitive`s" sound could have been
much better, all of them are OK but pale a bit compared to my other
remasters such as Klaus Schulze`s and Kraftwerk, with fantastic sound
quality and with complete and mistakes-free liner notes !

El 2013-05-16 09:07, feline1973 escribio:




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Re: Edgar & TD calling it quits. . . . .touring that is.

Cliff Proctor — 2013-05-16T12:23:00

lol !


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I keep thinking of that scene in "Spinal Tap" where Ian explains that a 
smaller tour means its a more "selective audience".

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Re: Encore original CD

feline1973 — 2013-05-16T12:07:56

Hmmm... I had most of the old 1980s Virgin CDs, and I bought the new Virgin boxset bundles last year, and took the trouble to rip all the discs to my PC and do A/B comparisons in an audio editor.

 The 'Encore' remaster is certainly, um, the one I had the most technical "issues" with, but the original 1980s CD also had many issues and to be honest on balance I felt the remaster was still an improvement (just still well short of a excellent job!). I would at least compare both and see which one you prefer, before throwing one away!

I'm afraid that by this point in time I now forget the details what the particular problems were, though (I did think I muttered about them on an Amazon review, but I had a brief hunt there and couldn't find my comments!)

Pretty much all the other albums I compared seemed like clear improvements though - e.g. Phaedra's 1980 CD had some dreadful digital clipping which was nicely fixed on the 'Definitive Edition' remaster.

David

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Re: Edgar & TD calling it quits. . . . .touring that is.

2013-05-16T11:55:39

I keep thinking of that scene in "Spinal Tap" where Ian explains that a smaller tour means its a more "selective audience".

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Re: Edgar & TD calling it quits. . . . .touring that is.

Cliff Proctor — 2013-05-16T10:43:59

It’s a bit of a misleading thing to be honest.

They’ve not really properly toured for a good number of years now.

Last year’s European/North American trip was the longest tour since 1997 !!

Other than that there have been mini-tours of 3/4 dates and the rest have been one-off concerts.

So, not only has it been coming, it’s actually been happening already for the past 15 years..

http://www.voices-in-the-net.de/vitn_concerts.htm



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Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar & TD calling it quits. . . . .touring that is.

  
I'm sure that if there had been all sold out venues on the last tour moving out of the limelight would be inconceivable.  

A big tour with marketing problems, then not long after a serious injury would put one at a low ebb.  

If the last tour had ended in Europe, not with the turnouts in California things might be more upbeat.

Gary C.

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Re: Edgar & TD calling it quits. . . . .touring that is.

Gary Conrod — 2013-05-16T03:07:18

I'm sure that if there had been all sold out venues on the last tour moving out of the limelight would be inconceivable.  

A big tour with marketing problems, then not long after a serious injury would put one at a low ebb.  

If the last tour had ended in Europe, not with the turnouts in California things might be more upbeat.

Gary C.


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Subject: [tadream] Edgar & TD calling it quits. . . . .touring that is.
 


  
I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up here yet. In the recent Progression Magazine edition Edgar was interviewed. 

http://www.progressionmag.com/

I dont have the magazine but a few others on other TD sites do. 

He will take the band on a farewell tour and probably continue with one off gigs in the future. 

We all knew this was coming. 


 

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RE: Re: Encore original CD

2013-05-15T16:45:05


So, should I get rid of my remastered CD edition (white CD stamping) 
and go for
the grey framed photo cover old release from Virgin ? Is there any 
other case
on this "remastered" series that I should replace it for the older ones 
?

Regards
Rick, Argentina

El 2013-05-15 06:41, michaeljean escribio:




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RE: Re: Encore original CD

michaeljean — 2013-05-15T09:41:45

There was never a question back in the old days when you could shop in real
stores.   ;^)

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I should probably mention, before someone says that they're on the .com as
well, that every time I saw the cover with the grey border around it, it was
just a stock photo and the description gave a release date of late 1994.

:)

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Re: Encore original CD

Cyaron — 2013-05-15T00:20:58

I should probably mention, before someone says that they're on the .com as well, that every time I saw the cover with the grey border around it, it was just a stock photo and the description gave a release date of late 1994.

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Re: Encore original CD

Cyaron — 2013-05-15T00:15:26


Aye, indeed I didn't consider the .co.uk address, only the .com one. Thanks much. :)



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