gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.project

Re: project dependencies

Administrator — 2008-12-03T10:30:10

On Wednesday 03 Dec 2008, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: Can I suggest that projects have explicitly, as part of their definition, the projects on which they depend / are built. That would allow the package dependency trees to start with a repo dependency tree. I have had different problems where two projects included new (and incompatible) versions of a package in the base system. There were no warning about the impending breakage, and it took a lot of work to unwind. David

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Henne Vogelsang — 2008-12-02T12:55:33

That is the opinion of the current board as well. But this is really a hypothetical case we try to solve here. I think we should cross the bridge when we get there. All Member applications get checked individually and we talk to the people about their contributions and reasons to apply for an openSUSE Membership. So rest assured that we wont miss any corner cases because of some rules set to stone. Henne

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Andreas Jaeger — 2008-12-02T09:37:48

IMHO if that upstream contributor is fixing bugs that are filed against the openSUSE distribution or taking care of building the upstream package in the build service, I voted for him as member. But if you don't see any openSUSE specific action at all by him - no bug reports against openSUSE, no mails on the mailing lists etc - , I'm in favor of rejection. Andreas

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

JP Rosevear — 2008-12-01T18:08:12

What I'm saying is the a significant upstream contributor is really an openSUSE contributor no matter who they are, we need their code, so if someone like that applies (and does not really contribute to openSUSE directly in the above areas), I think they should still be considered for membership. Building a better upstream relationship is a good thing. -JP

Re: FOSDEM 2009: CFP & more information ...

Martin Lasarsch — 2008-12-01T15:03:48

Right, basicly it's a talk from a non employee. There are many interesting projects going on outside the company, i think these should be put a little bit more in the spotlight. For sure. If you are willing to help at the booth, want to make a presentation ... i will add this as a note, good point.

Re: FOSDEM 2009: CFP & more information ...

Vincent Untz — 2008-12-01T12:45:11

Le lundi 01 décembre 2008, à 13:16 +0100, Martin Lasarsch a écrit : Can you define what is a "community talk"? I'm a bit unsure what it means. [...] I guess it's also an awesome opportunity to meet a lot of openSUSE people, so being on a booth is generally a good experience :-) [...] What should be put in the "what" column? Thanks for working on the organization! I can't wait for FOSDEM :-) Vincent

FOSDEM 2009: CFP & more information ...

Martin Lasarsch — 2008-12-01T12:16:07

Hi internal suse list is on bcc:, reply to: is set to opensuse-project. Today i received the confirmation that openSUSE will have a devroom < at > FOSEM 2009! Yay! Because it's a little bit earlier next year (2008-02-07/08), we should start right now with the the planing. If you have no idea what FOSDEM is: http://www.fosdem.org/2009/ http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-11/msg00025.html http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2009 (previous years linked at the end) * CFP So lets start with the call for papers. We always have quite a big crowd of SUSE/Novell staff at FOSDEM, but we want more community talks. So if you have an idea for a presentation, please send it to the list. Yes, i said idea, not if you want to make it. If you want to make it: perfect. If not: we might find someone who can. In the end it's about interesting presentations the community want to hear. Please look at the old schedules to get an idea what happened the last years, or even watch the videos. The official deadline is

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Pascal Bleser — 2008-11-29T09:27:50

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: What I meant is that it would be oriented towards hacking sessions, presentations and meetings for contributors (developers, packagers, translators, wiki editors, marketing, ...), stuff like that. As opposed to introductions to and showcasing of openSUSE (as it would be the case on "user conferences" where most visitors never heard of Linux and such). The idea is more of an "openSUSE FOSDEM" than an "openSUSE CeBIT". Or, at least, that was my understanding ;D OK :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser public.gmane.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::7+8 Feb 2009, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJMQsVr3NMWliFcXcRAt1RAJ9T+6odPueIy1vucWHZLzcOv98GxACfUyhG oPI6DTOmEvm40IwcO9UOM4Q= =qo5Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier — 2008-11-29T00:10:29

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Pascal Bleser public.gmane.org> wrote: Well, I'd hesitate to say "mere users," -- using openSUSE is the first step on the path of contribution, right? :-) But, yes -- targeted at contributors in that the program is going to be for people who are contributing to openSUSE. Best, Zonker

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Pascal Bleser — 2008-11-28T23:45:35

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos Goncalves wrote: Yeah, I'd also think it should be about contributors in general, not limited to developers and packagers. I think "developers and packagers" actually means "contributors", as opposed to "mere users" ;) Michl, Zonker: could you please confirm or correct that ? :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser public.gmane.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::7+8 Feb 2009, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJMIKfr3NMWliFcXcRAgQdAJ481c6mUkeFdz2+s/zLiQIWYuw94QCghnnl 290T5Sbl9Ro6p7xbItMP8yE= =NQ2/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Gerald Pfeifer — 2008-11-28T23:05:48

I feel this is extremely important a point: being a Novell employee should have absolutely no influence on being granted openSUSE membership as far as I can tell. Does anybody disagree?? Gerald

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Carlos Goncalves — 2008-11-28T16:22:27

If I am not mistaken, that would probably continue being a SUSE developers conference (SUSELabs) because there are not many community developers and packagers ("officially" so to speak). What about something more general to better cover other areas where community contributes actively? I'm thinking of something like Akademy and GUADEC.

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Pavol Rusnak — 2008-11-28T14:42:30

http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/${AUTHOR}/feed/

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Bryen — 2008-11-28T05:08:14

The question came up more for those of us who are new on the board and grasping an understanding of how membership applications were approved in the past. It was not a declaration of a hard and fast rule that applies to any Novell employee. What we were asking was whether or not a blanket rule should be applied where if you're a Novell employee, do you automatically get approval if you apply? Although we're still sifting through the backlog of applications, we have found that generally the Novell applicants have met the test for approval, as any other applicant. The requirements for anyone, Novell employee or not, is that there has to be some meaningful contribution to the project. Some examples include: - Filing bug reports - Participating on the mailing lists - Contributing to the wiki - Providing online support (e.g., IRC support channels) - Advocacy/evangelism/projects that promote the use of openSUSE - Coding/Packaging/etc. The above list of examples is definitely not exhaustive and we look at

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Stephan Binner — 2008-11-27T22:11:57

How shall this work? What do you think news offers that lizards doesn't? Bye, Steve

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Stephan Binner — 2008-11-27T21:55:04

Of course it does. Have a look at the site, look how Planet SUSE aggregates. Bye, Steve

Re: openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

JP Rosevear — 2008-11-27T19:41:05

To clarify - this means the current opinion is that upstream project developers who are only users of openSUSE wouldn't qualify? -JP

openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19

Michael Loeffler — 2008-11-27T17:49:22

openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes Nov 19th, 8pm - 10:30pm CET Participants: Federico Mena Quintero (federico1) Hendrik Vogelsang (henne) Michael Löffler (michl) Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs) Pascal Bleser (yaloki) Joe Brockmeier (zonker), for the 1 hour Advisory Board Zonker suggested to have an advisory board to enhance direct communication with sponsors. This board shouldn't be limited to sponsors ony but open to people having interest in openSUSE. This is kind of additional value for sponsor and was brought up by company which show interest to sponsor openSUSE. Discussion about pros and cons. Just for political reason, does it works, what is the benefit? Adds two-way for interaction and exchange for sponsors and people with a key role. It may add bureaucracy to the project also. At what cost does an advisory board comes? The existence of such a Board filled with nice names may add prestige, visibility and credibility to the project. openSUSE deserves some broader backing that we have today. Would

openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/11/20)

Rodrigo Moya — 2008-11-21T12:14:25

Contrib and G:C update • Judging from recent ML threads, there's increased interest on Contrib • Discussion about G:C drops/updates/moves in G:C on the opensuse-gnome ML: • packages obsoleted by ones in factory (banshee, f-spot, pidgin, python stuff, tomboy, tasque) • other obsoleted (gnome-vfs-obexftp) • If no more feedback by Monday, all this will be done Promotion of GNOME within openSUSE 11.1 • Addition of opensuse-specific developer info to GNOME wiki (http://live.gnome.org) Wiki work • Wiki mockup updated soon • Icons are going to be difficult to pull off (tango icons) • Meeting agendas will get more attention Dropping/adding packages • Postponing this to the beginning of 11.2, too late to remove from 11.1 1-click install for 2.24 • Still some build problems preventing ymp creation

Re: Projects

Susanne Oberhauser — 2008-11-20T11:13:27

yes. see, you understand what I want to say :) oh puleese, ankle comes close enough to angle doesn't it ;) ? I'd volunteer to start that effort, along the lines I've described iff I can anticipate interest and contribution for such writings. I love the technology we create and I think it will greatly benefit from a more structured description of whom we are doing this for, what we want to achieve for these users, how they interact using the build service and how specifically it's supposed to be used. S.

Re: Projects

Patrick Shanahan — 2008-11-19T02:22:05

* Susanne Oberhauser public.gmane.org> [11-18-08 12:40]: s/simi/semi :^) Ahhh, your spelling resembles mine :^) or you have another agenda Appears the need for another wiki page with a call for collaboration. There definitely needs to be an easy way to help channel work efforts away from duplications.