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Re: משחק להפיץ

Dotan Cohen — 2012-05-25T08:00:01

That is unbelievable. How does something like that even get written?
Can that even be called a website? Is serving a pseudo-HTML page over
port 80 all that it takes to call a page a webpage?

Re: משחק להפיץ

Dotan Cohen — 2012-05-25T07:58:01

The idea is to break the "Internet Explorer only" attitude of Israeli
websites, especially the government. The idea is not to increase
Chrome's marketshare, but to reduce the marketshare of IE.

Re: משחק להפיץ

Udi Finkelstein — 2012-05-25T06:04:35

5 Minutes ago I saw perhaps the most blatant example of the sad state of
Israeli government websites:

http://gemelnet.mof.gov.il/Tsuot/UI/DafMakdim.aspx

Now, when you press one of the links, what URL are you referred to?

vbscript:ow(1,500,670)

I don't think I need to say anything more.

Udi


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Re: משחק להפיץ

Omer Zak — 2012-05-24T21:52:14

All those nitpicking arguments, in my opinion, overlook the white
elephant in the saloon:

Getting people and Websites off IE6-only support is doing them huge
favor.

If in doing them this favor, one needs to temporarily renounce the
prohibition of "works only in our browser" style behavior (even if it is
to uphold W3C standards without IE6 compatibility hacks), let it be.

--- Omer

Re: משחק להפיץ

Michael Vasiliev — 2012-05-24T21:25:52

So how's getting them off one proprietary insecure browser and onto 
another is going to help them? Especially with the all-too-familiar 
tactics like "it works only in our browser".

--
MichaelV

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Re: a game to publicise [was Re: משחק להפיץ]

Dotan Cohen — 2012-05-24T20:31:47

Tzafir, you are right in assessing the reason that the site was built.
But this can be used to get people off of IE. Remember, the goal is to
get Israeli websites cross-browser compatible. That will only happen
when Israeli users get IE stats down below the 94% that it currently
is, when the rest of the world is <50% IE.

Only send it to your IE-using friends!

Re: a game to publicise [was Re: משחק להפיץ]

Tzafrir Cohen — 2012-05-24T09:12:27


The real reason is to make people abandon any brwser other than
Chrome/uim.

Which gives me all a good reason not to use it.

Re: a game to publicise [was Re: משחק להפיץ]

Amos Shapira — 2012-05-24T08:10:20

+1, +1, +1....

You hit the nail on the head - the more people abandon *old* IE, the more
Israeli web site will have to cater for them and in the process they'll
become compatible with the rest of us.

I see it first hand every day - I live in a Window-less world - Desktop
Linux at home and work, Android with Android/Chrome/Firefox on my mobile,
and even my wife uses Firefox on her Windows. And I never, ever, have
trouble accessing any web site, including (Australian) government web sites
except when I happen to access Israeli sites. Even the open-source sites
are backwords in their support for mobile (but at least they appear OK on
my desktops).

--Amos

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Re: a game to publicise [was Re: משחק להפיץ]

Dotan Cohen — 2012-05-24T08:01:31

Thank you for the insight, Shlomi. I happen to agree with everything
that you've mentioned!

However, the goal of promoting this site is not to provide a web
application for any use or entertainment. Rather, the goal is to give
people a reason to install and use a browser other than Internet
Explorer. This is especially critical here in Israel where as a Linux
user with no access to IE I cannot use many government websites. We
need to get a critical mass off of IE.

Re: a game to publicise [was Re: משחק להפיץ]

Shlomi Fish — 2012-05-23T18:11:26

Hi Dotan,

On Tue, 22 May 2012 02:23:30 +0300
Dotan Cohen <dotancohen< at >gmail.com> wrote:


I've spoken with someone from Mozilla-Israel (BCCed to this message) now and he
told me that Angry Birds works fine in Mozilla Firefox too (though it may not be
mentioned there and may require changing the User-Agent header). In general, I
think that restricting features to particular browsers, even if they are
open-source (which is the case for the Google Chromium project and not for
Google Chrome itself), hurts the open web and causes web fragmentation:

http://shlomif-tech.livejournal.com/2010/08/31/

That put aside, I don't mind if sites will be displayed or behave in a
somewhat broken manner in old versions (or even new version) of Microsoft
Internet Explorer, as I explained here:

http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/

This is because Microsoft is not doing enough to conform to the web standards,
and there are open-source alternatives for MSIE everywhere it runs.

I should also note that with all the noise surrounding

משחק להפיץ

Dotan Cohen — 2012-05-21T23:23:30

As probably most people on the list do, I try to get friends and
family off Internet Explorer. Recently on Slashdot there was mention
of a game that only works in Chrome:
http://getcrackin.angrybirds.com/

Angry Birds is a popular game, and just sending this link to people
gets most of them to install Chrome! So I encourage other list members
to "suggest" this game to friends and family. Don't even mention
Chrome, let them discover that detail on their own.

Fw: [Israel.pm] Fw: Perl 5.16.0 is now available!

Shlomi Fish — 2012-05-21T13:27:07

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:33:37 +0300
From: Shlomi Fish <shlomif< at >shlomifish.org>
To: Perl in Israel <perl< at >perl.org.il>
Subject: [Israel.pm] Fw: Perl 5.16.0 is now available!

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 18:54:47 -0400
From: Ricardo Signes <perl.p5p< at >rjbs.manxome.org>
To: perl5-porters< at >perl.org
Subject: Perl 5.16.0 is now available!

  All I have is a voice
  To undo the folded lie,
  The romantic lie in the brain
  Of the sensual man-in-the-street
  And the lie of Authority
  Whose buildings grope the sky:
  There is no such thing as the State
  And no one exists alone;
  Hunger allows no choice
  To the citizen or the police;
  We must love one another or die.

    -- W.H. Auden, September 1, 1939

The Perl 5 development team is gratified to announce the release of
Perl 5.16.0!

You will soon be able to download Perl 5.16.0 from your favorite CPAN
mirror or find it at:

https://metacpan.org/release/RJBS/perl-5.16.0/

SHA1 digests for this release are:

Re: Finding recent new Debian packages

Amos Shapira — 2012-05-20T12:44:35

Thanks! Condor was the package I was after. I'll keep a watch on that link.
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Re: Finding recent new Debian packages

Baruch Siach — 2012-05-20T11:20:06

Hi Amos,

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 09:12:35PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:

Try here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/main/newpkg.

baruch

Finding recent new Debian packages

Amos Shapira — 2012-05-20T11:12:35

Hello,

I use aptitude to maintain packages on my desktop Debian wheezy system.
This morning I saw an interesting package in the list of "new packages" but
didn't install it.
In the evening I stumbled into someone who might be interested in this kind
of a package, but I can't remember its name.
The only thing I know about it is that it was added to Debian in the last
24 hours or so (previous update happened yesterday).

Is there a way for me to find Debian packages listed by time of upload?

For what it's worth - it was something related to distributing processing
load across multiple computers (e.g. office desktops) and taking advantage
of their CPU power while they are not used for anything else. I'm not
talking about distributed.net and friends but something which can allow a
corporate to take advantage of the processing power of its own desktops for
its own purposes.

Thanks,

--Amos

Re: [Israel.pm] Tel Aviv Perl Mongers Meeting on 30 May, 2011

Shlomi Fish — 2012-05-20T09:09:23

Hi all, another update: 

There was a problem with the old building (where we usually meet). There
are no available rooms at all.

Instead we're assigned to room 2205 in the new building (Mitchell building).
The entrance is through Yeda Am street, on the corner with HaMelakha street.

Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

On Fri, 18 May 2012 23:09:55 +0300
Shlomi Fish <shlomif< at >shlomifish.org> wrote:

Re: [Israel.pm] Tel Aviv Perl Mongers Meeting on 30 May, 2011

Shlomi Fish — 2012-05-18T20:09:55

Hi all,

(I'm sending this to all lists out of convenience. Please don't reply, or reply
only in private or to a single list.).

As opposed to what was said in the title, and in some places inside the message,
the meeting will take place on 30 May, *2012* - instead of in 30 May, *2011*,
which will require time travel to attend.

Sorry!

Shlomi Fish  

On Fri, 18 May 2012 22:43:24 +0300
Shlomi Fish <shlomif< at >shlomifish.org> wrote:

Tel Aviv Perl Mongers Meeting on 30 May, 2011

Shlomi Fish — 2012-05-18T19:43:58

## Tel Aviv Perl Mongers Meeting on 30 May, 2011

(The Hebrew text will be followed by an English one).

ב-30 במאי 2012 (יום רביעי) נערוך את מפגש הפרל החודשי שלנו. אנו נפגשים ב-18:30
ומתחילים ב-19:00. כתובת: מכללת שנקר, בניין ראשי ברחוב אנה פרנק, רמת גן, חדר 300.

פרטים נוספים ניתן למצוא [באתר של שוחרי הפרל של תל
אביב](http://telaviv.pm.org/), [ובדף הבית של פרל בישראל](http://perl.org.il/).

במפגש זה יהיו ההרצאות הבאות:

* **מלקוח לביצוע** - - עידו קנר ההרצאה תסביר מה הוא Redis במילים אחדות, תוכנית
  הלקוח שכתבתי עבורו, ואילו כלים יש בפרל כדי להשתמש בו. (40 דקות)
* **פרל למתחילים חלק 5** - שלומי פיש - שלומי ישתמש בקהל בתור שפני נסיונות
  לבדיקת ואימות החלק החמי

Re: doesn't a gov.il site supposed to support more than just MSIE ?

Alon Barzilai — 2012-05-15T14:42:11

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Fw: August Penguin Conference 2012 - in Haifa! And a Call forLecturers

Shlomi Fish — 2012-05-14T20:14:46

Hi all,

The August Penguin Conference was announced in the Hebrew announcement forwarded
below. Here is the summary of the message in English:

On Friday, 3 August, 2012, the August Penguin conference
( http://august.penguin.org.il/ ), the annual Israeli conference for Free
Software, Linux and Open Source, will take place.

The conference will be held in the Haifa Auditorium - Rapaport (sp?) Hall,
Hanasi Bouleverads, the Central Carmel, Haifa.

It will take place between 09:00 and 14:00 .

Those who wish to propose talks can send an E-mail to board-8fVK6v2op8h+3Tr40/nsqA< at >public.gmane.org .

The cost of the conference is 50 ILS, while Hamakor friends and members can
enter free-of-charge (as long as they have paid their yearly memberships).
Soldiers, students and people under the age of 18 pay 50 ILS for an annual
membership to Hamakor, so they may opt to become Hamakor members or friends
without additional payment.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish   

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:47:57 +0300
Fr

Re: Semantic C code indexing and query tool

Baruch Siach — 2012-05-14T07:53:20

Hi Dov,

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:55:46AM +0300, Dov Grobgeld wrote:

Of all mentioned alternative this one seems to be the closest. clang has full 
knowledge of all tags and references types. Exporting this info to an external 
tags database doesn't look too hard to do. Has anyone done this already?

baruch