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Re: Liberation 2.0 font development plan based on croscore,fonts.

Mitaka — 2012-05-23T09:38:51

Hi,

It's Great idea!!! I like it very much!
I'm from Bulgaria and I use cyrillic alphabet (azbuka;-)). There is more
natural italic cyrrillic shapes in croscore fonts and they have old
cyrillic letters like 'big yus' and 'yat', that are not in use now, but
were in use before 1945.
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Re: Liberation 2.0 font development plan based on croscore fonts.

Nicolas Mailhot — 2012-05-21T17:38:40

Le Lun 21 mai 2012 08:23, pravin.d.s< at >gmail.com a écrit :


That would be great !

(but please don't add the 2.0 to the name)

Re: should we install google croscore font as a default in fedora 18?

Dave Crossland — 2012-05-15T05:56:46

I will ask the Google team who manage the croscore fonts (which are
commissioned from Monotype) about getting better public points of
contacts for these fonts.

I know the croscore fonts have improvements from Monotype over
Liberation, and a much better licence situation :) So I thin it would
be good to make them default - if patches can be taken upstream.
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Re: should we install google croscore font as a default in fedora 18?

Akira TAGOH — 2012-05-15T05:09:19

I guess you better ask on devel list as well because everyone doesn't necessarily subscribe this list.

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Hi,
|    I suppose no reply mean everyone is happy with Liberation fonts as
| a default install package.
| 
| Thanks & Regards,
| Parag.
| 
| On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Parag N(पराग़) <panemade< at >gmail.com>
| wrote:
| > Hi all,
| >   The updated package google-croscore-fonts-1.21.0-3.fc17 is now
| > pushed to stable. I have done some comparison of Liberation vs
| > Croscore fonts. See
| > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Liberation_vs_Croscore_fonts
| >   Currently, I have marked google-croscore-fonts as a optional
| >   package
| > in comps-f18. Considering it has got more orthography support
| > compared
| > to Liberation font can we install it default? But, I would also say
| > that we have active development for Liberation font and if a bug
| > comes
| > for Liberation font we can fix it. I am not sure how a bug can be
| > fixed for google croscore

Re: should we install google croscore font as a default in fedora 18?

Parag N(पराग़ — 2012-05-15T04:50:45

Hi,
   I suppose no reply mean everyone is happy with Liberation fonts as
a default install package.

Thanks & Regards,
Parag.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Parag N(पराग़) <panemade< at >gmail.com> wrote:
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should we install google croscore font as a default in fedora 18?

Parag N(पराग़ — 2012-05-03T04:01:24

Hi all,
  The updated package google-croscore-fonts-1.21.0-3.fc17 is now
pushed to stable. I have done some comparison of Liberation vs
Croscore fonts. See
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Liberation_vs_Croscore_fonts
  Currently, I have marked google-croscore-fonts as a optional package
in comps-f18. Considering it has got more orthography support compared
to Liberation font can we install it default? But, I would also say
that we have active development for Liberation font and if a bug comes
for Liberation font we can fix it. I am not sure how a bug can be
fixed for google croscore font. I can't find upstream URL as well as a
way to fix any upcoming bugs and get its fix upstream. We can fix them
in Fedora only.

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Parag.
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Maintainer searched

Paul Lange — 2012-05-01T22:34:04

Hey,

in the absence of time and motivation I'm searching for new maintainers
for my font packages. Actually I didn't update them for a while and I
think they are in better hands with someone else.

It's the following packages:
- hartke-aurulent-sans-fonts [1]
- vollkorn-fonts [2]
- yanone-tagesschrift-fonts [3]


If someone's interested please reply to this message or ask for acess in
pkgdb.

regards,
Paul


[1]
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/hartke-aurulent-sans-fonts
[2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/vollkorn-fonts
[3]
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/yanone-tagesschrift-fonts



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Re: feature proposal for handwriting font realism

Nick Levinson — 2012-04-22T16:40:51

Metrics are not critical to the programming, because the event of auto-assigning would happen only once to a character at a given position in a string and that assignment would not change unless the graphic designer either did so manually or reapplied the whole process. Metrics could be permitted to vary because a graphic designer would likely look at the result (with any character widths, any heights including ascenders and descenders, any variations in x-height, any amount of openness of loops, and so on) and adjust as appropriate by changing glyph assignments or by other means, just as they might adjust leading now, and just as a secretary checks that a memo isn't one page plus only one word on page 2. Someone could design a multiglyph font in which all glyphs for a given Unicode code point would have, say, the same character width and the font marketer could promote the convenience of consistency, but I doubt that that's important even as a perceived
 selling point. This is not like my spreadsheet with a

Re: feature proposal for handwriting font realism

Corey Richardson — 2012-04-22T03:05:47

To me, as an amatuer graphic designer, this seems like a really easy way to
get pretty good-looking handwritten designs. As a programmer, though, this
seems like hell. You're saying that all of the multiple glyphs for a single
character would have the same metrics but slightly different style and a few
variations? Would this primarily be for on-screen or print purposes? I see it
being more useful for print since screen's DPI sucks majorly. For purely print
and with identical metrics, it wouldn't be too bad.

How would you have this implemented? Part of fontconfig or freetype?
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feature proposal for handwriting font realism

Nick Levinson — 2012-04-21T19:08:53

Many advertisements have headlines in script fonts in which a given character is identical throughout the document. Real handwriting, however, has slight variations between "e" and "e" or between "n" and "n", for example. Try it yourself, especially by writing at your normal speed, not slower or more meticulously than usually.

Less frequent uses include mimicking stone-cut fonts.

But this realism of variation disappears in computer graphics. One could change text to several similar fonts, but most of us don't install several scripts that are graphically coordinated as if they're from the same hand, if such fonts even exist. Character-by-character substitution would be laborious anyway. Bitmap art programs are a kludge at most, largely impracticable.

The solution I propose is automatic font-swapping within a subset of fonts.

A user would designate several fonts as being mutually swappable by the running executable. The principal functionality could be performable mostly by the operating system at an appli

Re: autohinter in f18

2012-04-11T09:44:24


AFAI see
For properly hinted fonts byte-code interpreter gives good result, ex.
Liberation
For not-hinted font autohint is best ex. Lohit fonts.
So yeah, depends on default behaviour one need to modify fonconfig file
accordingly.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute



Regards,
Pravin Satpute
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autohinter in f18

Akira TAGOH — 2012-04-11T02:36:25

Hi,

just for suggestion according to
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708525#c18

that may be worth trying enabling autohint by default in f18
and see how it looks better. if there are less fonts not
working properly, we could disable it in the fontconfig
config file in the specific font packages perhaps.

Any comments?

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Re: Hello!

Nicolas Mailhot — 2012-03-26T08:52:29

Le Sam 24 mars 2012 21:52, Corey Richardson a écrit :


You don't have to convert them, but I'm quite certain that packaging anything
not in OpenType format will be an exercise in frustration. If you rally want
bitmap fonts there are Opentype bitmap containers IIRC.


The technical part itself will be simple. For clean opentype fonts you only
need to get the current font package template, write a description, and insert
the font file names.

A special case if fonts built from sources which may be a bit harder depending
on the robustness of upstream's build process.

For most fonts, the bulk of the work will be in identifying the font sources
and licensing, and getting the naming right (a lot of old fonts are a legal
tangle, their metadata lies about licensing, their naming is atrocious). No
script will do that for you.

It's a lot easier if you start from an already curated font library with clean
licensing (SIL was nice but I think we've almost full coverage, I started
http://arkandis.tuxfamily.org/adffon

Re: Hello!

Dave Crossland — 2012-03-25T20:08:09

I have a feeling that with sfntly, ttx or fontforge-python it would be
possible to automate much of the process, using Zenity for the rest :)
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Re: Hello!

Corey Richardson — 2012-03-25T19:50:35

Yes, I'm very familiar with python. You're thinking point the script at a font
and out comes a spec file/SRPM? That would be very useful, after I'm familiar
with packaging fonts, it should be fairly easy to write.

Re: Hello!

Dave Crossland — 2012-03-25T16:17:01

This is a job I've also been neglecting for a long time :-)

I'm not sure if that list is fully up to date. There is also the huge
repository of Google Web Fonts -
http://code.google.com/p/googlefontdirectory/ - which are almost all
in need of packaging.

Since its a big job, I wonder if a simple tool/script could help ease
the process. Do you know any Python?
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Hello!

Corey Richardson — 2012-03-24T19:52:21

Hey there Fonts SIG!

I'm interested mainly in packaging fonts. I'm new to Fedora, both 
as a user and as a contributor, so it might be a bumpy ride ;-).

I'm consuming as much documentation as I can about the whole font
stack. I've got a few questions:

1. What's the consenus about bitmap fonts? On
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Font_rendering_and_text_layouting
I found this:

"Nowadays Fedora converges on OpenType (TTF/OTF) fonts in Unicode
encoding, and no efforts should be wasted on legacy formats. "

Does this mean bitmap fonts should be converted (possibly by hand), or
are BDF/PCF fine? (I ask this because some of my favorite fonts are
bitmap)


2. What are the most common pitfalls / What should I be aware of as I
depart on this journey?


3. Are the fonts listed on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist
purely in want of a packeger (i.e. I can get cracking)?
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Package Review needed for croscore-fonts

Parag N(पराग़ — 2012-03-22T13:19:08

Hi,
   I have created a new package review request, croscore-fonts[1]. I
will be happy if anyone can help me by reviewing it. In case anyone
needs any package review in exchange of this please tell me and I will
be happy to review your package.

Regards,
Parag.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805416
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Re: Supplemental punctuation, specifically half brackets.

Peter Easthope — 2012-03-15T17:42:08

I've learned that the default XO system has the Latin, Greek and 
Cyrillic subset DejaVu LGC.  The deficiency is rectified with four
commands.

su
yum install dejavu-sans-fonts.noarch
yum install dejavu-sans-mono-fonts.noarch
yum install dejavu-serif-fonts.noarch
exit

Your reply helped me to recognize the distinction.  Thanks,
       ... Peter E.

Re: Supplemental punctuation, specifically half brackets.

Peter Easthope — 2012-03-15T14:52:59

Thanks Akira.  This system has DejaVu LGC which, according to Wikipedia,
is a Latin, Greek and Cyrillic subset of DejaVu.  I wonder whether simply
installing a DejaVu package will make the half brackets available in the XO.

Thanks again,           ... Peter E.

Re: Supplemental punctuation, specifically half brackets.

Akira TAGOH — 2012-03-15T02:46:51

PE> Can anyone tell me which Fedora package, if any, contains
PE> a font containing half brackets?  Once a font containing the
PE> half brackets is present, what else is needed to allow
PE> Firefox
PE> to render them?

DejaVu Sans in dejavu-sans-fonts package has and it works
for me on f16.

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