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Re: Policy on DST

Karsten Wade — 2008-12-04T02:26:21

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Re: Policy on DST

Jon Stanley — 2008-12-04T00:22:56

Exactly my case. It's a lot easier to say "FESCo happens at 1PM on Wednesdays" than it is to say "well, you see, during the summer, we meet at 1PM, but during the winter, we decided we'd do it at noon" - which would also interfere with $LUNCH - hey, fat guy's gotta eat! (me) :) All in all, I'd prefer shifting DST, even though it's the stupidest idea ever invented, it's something we gotta live with :(

Re: Policy on DST

Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-03T22:11:19

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Re: Policy on DST

Luis Villa — 2008-12-03T22:00:56

You're right; translation->translation or other traditionally geography-tied groups. That falls into the 'probably doing something wrong' category. :) (I don't know if Ubuntu still does this, but at one time their public IRC meetings rotated by +6 hours every meeting, so that at some point all members had to attend sleepy and cranky, and vice-versa all members of 'the public' in the less favored time zones at some point or another got a chance to attend a less-lousy meeting time. May be something to consider for the public board IRC meetings.) Luis

Re: Policy on DST

Bill Nottingham — 2008-12-03T21:54:52

Luis Villa (luis< at >tieguy.org) said: It depends on the group - there's a Fedora EMEA group that I wouldn't begrudge use of the channel to, and there have been times where the entire board was in North America. Bill

Re: Policy on DST

Jeff Spaleta — 2008-12-03T21:50:40

This would feel better if we had a system with multiple irc conferences rooms...equipped with logbots so meetings and participants could just move to the next available room instead of trying to walling into a room other meetings are using. -jef

Re: Policy on DST

Luis Villa — 2008-12-03T21:44:29

If any particular group is only in one timezone (other than translators), you're probably doing something wrong ;) Luis

Re: Policy on DST

Jeff Spaleta — 2008-12-03T21:48:13

Maps!!!!!!!! If we had lat/lon or geoip data for contributors...this would be easy. You match country code to DST observance..isnt that in or tzdata already? crank over contributor locations and easily see how much and where a specific meeting time policy hurts. -jef

Re: Policy on DST

Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-03T21:47:55

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Re: Policy on DST

Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-03T21:43:17

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Re: Policy on DST

Jeff Spaleta — 2008-12-03T21:40:34

UTC is absolutely the simplest answer and most global way to deal with it. -jef"or we could something crazy and use a Fedora release schedule based clock and have meeting times listed as fractional days since last official Fedora release. Then we'd all be equally confused"spaleta .

Re: Policy on DST

Bill Nottingham — 2008-12-03T21:41:51

Mike McGrath (mmcgrath< at >redhat.com) said: Yes, but... if any particular group is only in one timezone, or one DST area... why should they move their meeting? While we should certainly keep the schedule page in UTC, I'm not sure we should hold the users to fixed slots therein, as long as they keep it updated. As a contrast, I can definitely think of large global corporations who have multi-office meetings that stay at a particular fixed local time, even when DST changes. Bill

Re: Policy on DST

Mike McGrath — 2008-12-03T21:38:10

Eh, we inconvenice everyone a bit now but knowing what time to get to in UTC isn't really that hard. While it might be easy for us in the states to say "yeah, lets just $ST it". Our time change is in a different time then other countries though they do happen around the same time, usually less then 2 months apart I think. It's hard enough to be a contributor when you're not in the US time zones. Imagine being on the the other side of the planet, having US time change. Having to adjust on your clock for a meeting. Then having your local time change, having to adjust again. To me its a bigger burden on non-US folk with questionable payoff. We're global, UTC is globally recognized. No it's not what time we use in our little bubble to ask our spouses what time we'll be home for dinner but I think Fedora is bigger / more mature then that. -Mike

Re: Policy on DST

Seth Vidal — 2008-12-03T21:31:59

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Dennis Gilmore wrote: ooo - dennis has a point about the southern hemisphere. I think I agree with him as to staying with UTC. -sv

Re: Policy on DST

Dennis Gilmore — 2008-12-03T21:26:24

Except the southern hemisphere has DST at completely different times of the year. and different countries start and stop at different times of the year also. If you record your meeting is UTC time you will always get the notification that the meeting is starting at the correct time. There is no simple answer here. the simplest thing to me seems to be stay at UTC. Dennis

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Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-03T21:23:20

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Re: Policy on DST

Seth Vidal — 2008-12-03T21:08:19

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: This falls into the giant category for me. as long as we're all on the same page, it's fine w/me either way. -sv

Re: Policy on DST

Bill Nottingham — 2008-12-03T20:59:06

Paul W. Frields (stickster< at >gmail.com) said: Well, we'll annoy one hemisphere either way. But I'm for it. Bill

Re: Policy on DST

Francesco Ugolini — 2008-12-03T20:56:08

2008/12/3 Paul W. Frields gmail.com>: The idea sounds good. It could help resolve this annoying problem. At least, like it will happen for Ambassadors, after the DST move or sunlight come back, the projects that don't want to make this automatic change could see for other solution (without disturbing the others times). I totally agree with you. Great idea! Regards Francesco Ugolini

Policy on DST

Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-03T20:48:56

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Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2008-12-02

John Poelstra — 2008-12-03T19:10:07

Recap and full IRC transcripts for the moderated and public channels are here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-12-02 Please make corrections and clarifications to the wiki page. == Upcoming Elections == * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections * The Board nominees should be appearing at 0200 UTC and 1500 UTC on Friday 2008-12-05 to take questions at #fedora-townhall and #fedora-townhall-public == Q&A Topics == * What are the lessons learned from Fedora 10? * What will be the impact from the multihead feature? * Where does Fedora as a project need to improve the most from the community perspective? * What's stickster's favorite flavor of ice cream? * Since FUDcon11 was planned in an insensitive way with respect to college football fans, is there a planned BCS championship get-together in the works? == #fedora-board-meeting == == #fedora-board-public ==