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Re: Guidelines for the sites on fedoracommunity.org

Kévin Raymond — 2012-05-25T14:31:21

[snip]

Yes, and as Andrea explained, the idea is not necessarily to have
official websites.
If we provide several local communities websites, one would probably
grow faster than the other,
we should probably not limit to the registered one.


Sorry I don't have enough free time,
but I agree, having a clear process to be registered in f.comm.org
would be useful to us (websites) and you (communities).

Re: Guidelines for the sites on fedoracommunity.org

2012-05-25T08:02:42

Gianluca Sforna <giallu< at >gmail.com> ha scritto:


+1


I think the points listed by Gianluca are a good base from where we  
could start. It's also a good idea if this guidelines suggest how to  
start a new local community, because there are several countries where  
Fedora isn't present at all.
IMHO the "policy" should remain a guideline, as the decision of being  
or not the most rappresentative local community will in any case be  
taken by the end user. In my eyes the end user should ever remain the  
main goal of any Fedora related initiative.


I renew my availability to take part of this workgroup.
Cheers
Robert Mayr

robyduck
http://www.fedoraonline.it





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Re: Guidelines for the sites on fedoracommunity.org

Gianluca Sforna — 2012-05-24T15:24:43

I can see why Fedora as a legal entity can not endorse any local site
to be "Official", but I think it's in Fedora's project best interest
to promote aggregation of local communities over a single website;
IMHO that can be done even without blessing the site with an official
tag, it is enough for the project to refer new users (the the most
likely to be confused by a dozen community sites in the same country)
to a single one. The fedoracommunity.org web site seems best suited to
be the jump point between the official Fedora project and the
independent local websites so the question is how do we pick the site
to be linked from fedoracommunity.org? That's where the guidelines
part comes in.

Of  course, we all know there are times when "forks" are necessary and
healthy so these guidelines should not prevent new Fedora related
websites to born and prosper, but until there is an established and
healthy community web site it should be clear from the beginning that
it will continue to be the one referred from fed

Re: Guidelines for the sites on fedoracommunity.org

Christopher Meng — 2012-05-24T10:22:28

I think that fedora.xx, which xx means country abbreviation.

On Thursday, May 24, 2012, Andrea Veri wrote:

Re: Guidelines for the sites on fedoracommunity.org

Andrea Veri — 2012-05-24T10:08:31


From what I remember Fedora has never been in favour of granting the 
'Official' status to a localized community and that caused in a few 
places the following issues:

1. multiple localized communities got created having the same 
   objectives, target users.
2. "wars" between the localized communities of the same country, like
   it's happening in Italy.

I agree there should be a proposal since leaving things as they are 
now will just weaken the Fedora community at first and as a 
consequence the localized communities themselves.

cheers,

Andrea

P.S I explained my position about this already on the past Board's 
elections as you can see at [1], point 1.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Board_nominations&oldid=238761#Andrea_Veri_.28averi.29
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Guidelines for the sites on fedoracommunity.org

2012-05-24T09:53:05

Hello,
I see that there are some local communities who want to be included to  
the same local fedoracommunity.org subdomain, such as Indonesia and  
now Italy.
I'm directly involved in that issue, as webmaster of fedoraonline.it,  
the actual it.fedoracommunity.org and greatest italian community. I  
think this could be a problem in the future too, so why not discuss  
about some guidelines which helps the local communities but also the  
website team to define clearly the state of a community?
I'm thinking about a solution like the Ubuntu communities:
obviously, everyone can create a new local community, but only one  
community rappresent the single State. I remember there are regular  
"tests", which verify the activity of the local community and if the  
site is just online. If the test fails another local community site  
has the right to take the place of the precedent one.

Sharing resources is more efficient than spreading users I think, so  
it should be obvious that the goal of the fedoracommunity

Re: The hotdog debate continues. (Was: folks are still whining aboutnames? Rly?)

Christopher Meng — 2012-05-24T02:23:27

nice article.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Mark Terranova <Markdude< at >fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
make *everyone* happy. It’s NOT gonna happen. You are not engaged in
*reality*. I would also suggest that you may not fully understand the
greatness of the Fedora Project. We are NOT vanilla. We dont always take
the *safe route*. We live on the edge, an edge that we usually forge
ourselves. If you want to play everything safe, go ahead. I can point you
to some very nice folks, in other Distros.
common sense folks that want to create a balance (the core design team as
well as Inode0). The other two parts are extremists. I realized that some
of the push was from revisionists, and those with *no sense of humor*. I
have decided to take up the other extreme of defending ANY perceived attack
on the GLORIOUS Beefy Miracle.
this. Most likely I need to back off the cartoon hotdog thing a bit, and
also accept that we can have *mildly silly* names for releases. The other
side of the scale needs to work on your coping skills

Fedora Board, FESCo, and FAmSCo elections: Town hall meeting schedule

Robyn Bergeron — 2012-05-23T11:43:56

As you have (hopefully) heard by now, elections for the Fedora Board, 
FESCo, and FAmSCo are quickly approaching.

In each election cycle, a series of town hall meetings is held to give 
community members and opportunity to ask candidates questions - and hear 
their answers - via IRC.

The town hall schedule for the upcoming election is as follows:

Fedora Project Board:
* Tuesday, May 29, 2012 at 17:00 UTC
* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 20:00 UTC

FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee):
* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 at 17:00 UTC
* Thursday, May 31, 2012 at 20:00 UTC

FAmSCo (Fedora Ambassadors Steering Committee):
* Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 16:00 UTC
* Monday, May 28 at 17:00 UTC

Not sure what time that is? Use a handy-dandy time zone calculator to 
find out when to show up:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

Important information about how you can participate in the town halls 
via IRC, as well as the details of each town hall meeting, can be seen 
on the wiki here:

http://fedoraprojec

The hotdog debate continues. (Was: folks are still whining aboutnames? Rly?)

Mark Terranova — 2012-05-22T22:16:30

*“And on the 17th release he saw the name, and YAY, it *was* good.”

It recently dawned on me that some in Fedora have a goal of trying to make
*everyone* happy. It’s NOT gonna happen. You are not engaged in *reality*.
I would also suggest that you may not fully understand the greatness of the
Fedora Project. We are NOT vanilla. We dont always take the *safe route*.
We live on the edge, an edge that we usually forge ourselves. If you want
to play everything safe, go ahead. I can point you to some very nice folks,
in other Distros.

IMHO, we have 3 camps in the *naming debate*. In the middle we have some
common sense folks that want to create a balance (the core design team as
well as Inode0). The other two parts are extremists. I realized that some
of the push was from revisionists, and those with *no sense of humor*. I
have decided to take up the other extreme of defending ANY perceived attack
on the GLORIOUS Beefy Miracle.

My offer to the other extreme; *stand down* and let the grown-ups decide
this

Board IRC Meeting Minutes :: 2012-05-16

Robyn Bergeron — 2012-05-16T20:07:20

Logs: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-16/fedora_board_meeting.2012-05-16-18.30.log.html
Minutes: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-16/fedora_board_meeting.2012-05-16-18.30.html

=====================================
#fedora-meeting: Fedora Board Meeting
=====================================


Meeting started by rbergeron at 18:30:47 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-16/fedora_board_meeting.2012-05-16-18.30.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call and Gathering of Steam  (rbergeron, 18:31:43)
   * probinson is unable to attend  (gholms, 18:32:28)
   * rdieter sends regrets, as does abadger1999; cwickert is travelling
     to fudcon kuala lumpur  (rbergeron, 18:33:09)

* Announcements  (rbergeron, 18:35:35)
   * F17 - RC1 for final/GA is available now.
     http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2012-May/000449.html
     (rbergeron, 18:36:21)
   * Please help out in testing

Re: Public IRC Board Meeting today, Wednesday, 2012-05-16 18:30 UTC

Peter Robinson — 2012-05-16T18:31:42

Apologies for the late notice but I won't be able to attend.

Peter

On May 16, 2012 4:09 PM, "Robyn Bergeron" <rbergero< at >redhat.com> wrote:
IRC
have a quorum or not at meeting time, but Q&  A at the bare minimum can
continue.
Board meeting, I would be appreciative of that - some people miss it (and
yes, I know, others detest it!). I'll be en route back from a doctor visit
around the time when we'd want to do so (approximately a half-hour prior to
the meeting.)
coordinate/lead. Perhaps that person could do a whenisgood time checkin for
the people who are interested in being involved.
Yay/Nay?
18:30 UTC
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Public IRC Board Meeting today, Wednesday, 2012-05-16 18:30 UTC

Robyn Bergeron — 2012-05-16T14:49:00

Greetings!

This is a friendly reminder that the Fedora Board will be having a public IRC
meeting Today!, Wednesday, May 16, at 18:30 UTC. This meeting is open to
everyone, participation and input is welcomed.

We do have a few people expected to be out this week, we shall see if we have a quorum or not at meeting time, but Q&  A at the bare minimum can continue.

If someone is available to do a ping in all the channels to notify of the Board meeting, I would be appreciative of that - some people miss it (and yes, I know, others detest it!). I'll be en route back from a doctor visit around the time when we'd want to do so (approximately a half-hour prior to the meeting.)

When: 18:30 UTC (2:30pm US-Eastern), on May 16, 2012
Where: in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net (assuming no conflicts)
Meeting Info:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC
Meeting Secretary: Robyn Bergeron

Today's agenda is:

* Announcements
* Open Q&  A
* Open Discussion items:
   ** Release Naming: Checking in to see if someone is wi

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail — 2012-05-12T02:01:28

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Kévin Raymond
<shaiton< at >fedoraproject.org> wrote:

ok then :-) .. in the meantime fedora.my will be using this for our
events (FADs, Release Party, etc) .. and I'll be improving it as it
goes, and when it matures a bit more, create a generic deployment
buildout in case fudcon.fp.o or other communities/conference  want to
run their own setup ..

p/s: just another idea, but this might be cool too .. of course, it
will need system made/customized for it ...

events.fp.o/fudcon/<region>/year
events.fp.o/fad/<location>/<MMYY>
events.fp.o/releaseparty/<location>/<relnum>

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Kévin Raymond — 2012-05-11T15:32:28

[snip]


No I mean for the infra maintainers.
We need to have a team dedicated, really involved.

[snip]

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail — 2012-05-11T15:19:32

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Kévin Raymond
<shaiton< at >fedoraproject.org> wrote:

yeah understandable .. though I myself has expertise on Plone as its
part of my dayjob, and i'm contributing there too .. So I can help out
in the setup and some maintenance ..


you mean for ACL? .. Plone permission infrastructure is hierarchical
.. each content in Plone may have its own set of people who are
allowed to add/edit/delete them .. permissions on folders are
inherited by its contents ..

so what we can do here is , use Plone's OpenID support to integrate it
with FAS (or I can write a Plone Auth plugin for directly integrate it
with FAS, but imo, OpenID is simpler) .. for each FUDCon, assign an
owner to it .. everything under the FUDCon folder are fully controlled
by the new owner .. he/she may share the folder to his team ..

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Kévin Raymond — 2012-05-11T15:13:40

And the major problem is that FUDCon teams change every years… :(

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Kevin Fenzi — 2012-05-11T15:02:41

On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:54:33 +0800
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail <kagesenshi.87< at >gmail.com> wrote:

...snip...


Not too well off hand. ;) 

We like everything to be managed by our package management system. 

It's possible we could be talked into a setup like above, but it would
require at least the rest of the request for resources process and some
convincing. The thing we 100% wish to avoid with any of these solutions
is "hey, here's this solution" and then people wandering off and
leaving US to maintain something long term without help or expertise. 

Any solution should be long term maintainable. 

kevin
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Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail — 2012-05-11T13:58:08

to try out .. you can run these commands

git clone git< at >github.com:inigoconsulting/collective.conference.git
cd collective.conference
python2.6 bootstrap.py
./bin/buildout -v
# after buildout successfully run
./bin/instance fg # this runs the zope server in foreground ..

the conference tool is installable as an addon ..

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail — 2012-05-11T13:54:33

Hi Kevin,

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Kévin Raymond
<shaiton< at >fedoraproject.org> wrote:

Plone (http://plone.org) is a CMS written on top of Zope Application
Server .. which is written using Python language.



The database is and object database called ZODB and it is bundled
together with the Zope installation. ZODB default storage is file
based, but optionally, ZODB may use MySQL or PGSQL as its backend
storage, allowing replication/backup through the SQL backend ..

Infra requirement for latest Plone,

* Python2.6 (so should be ok on RHEL/CentOS .. but if its a Fedora
server, will need compat-python26)
* ability to listen to a port
* gcc, g++, python2.6-devel, libxslt-devel, libjpeg-devel, zlib-devel
for buildout to build some python eggs (what is buildout?, covered
below)


There used to be RPM for Fedora, but it was orphaned, and for EPEL,
its outdated.

However,  the best method (and also the recommended method by the
Plone community) of deployment of Plone is using Buildout
(http://www.buildout.

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Kévin Raymond — 2012-05-11T13:24:28

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail
<kagesenshi.87< at >gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

Never heard about Plone before…
What are the infra requirement, on which language is it running, which
database…?
Is there an RPM?
Does it support multi-language?

Re: Subdomain request: fudcon.fedoraproject.org

Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail — 2012-05-11T11:45:42

just mentioning another alternative for a system.

FUDCon KL (http://fedora.my/events/fudconkl2012) uses an addon on
Plone which I develop myself ..
https://github.com/inigoconsulting/collective.conference ..

Its a bit basic right now, and only enough to run FUDCon KL and not as
mature as the drupal systems ... though more features will come as
theres some NGO interested to fund it ..

currently what it can do :

- anonymous registration + session submission
- organize sessions using arshaw's jquery fullcalendar
- session, participant, and agenda listing
- simple session approval
- multiple events per site
- utilize plone's built in document management features

This system is also going to be used by the malaysian team for our
future barcamp style FADs  ..

Perhaps fp.o might be interested to use it to.. but of course, the
community should decide on this .. as I understand that Plone is not
exactly familiar to many people.