gmane.linux.mageia.devel

Re: No packager's meeting this week, debrief next week

Colin Guthrie — 2013-05-21T10:56:57

'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 21/05/13 11:16 did gyre and gimble:

As well as "real" work, I'm half using it as a todo list, but also as a
place such that people don't complain later that "xyz was not discussed"
etc. should someone take issue with any of the changes - it's a nice
safety net to have!

I'd also like to spend some time on infrastructural things this cycle,
including doing git migration for soft (along with Neoclust) and also
doing some investigation as to how hard a packages git migration would be.

I'd also really like to put some time into systems to help automate the
QA testing procedure (e.g. public voting/ACKing of updates with the
possibility of automatic pushes for non-security updates etc). and also
a system to track freeze push requests for when that comes around with a
nice web UI to view/approve by those with power.

All of these are very hand-wavey and not overly defined and thus I've
not written them up yet as "features" but just so people know I figured
I'd write them here w

Re: No packager's meeting this week, debrief next week

Pierre-Malo Deniélou — 2013-05-21T10:38:35

Please add them. They are definitely packager tasks and worthy features 
to have :-).

Another feature might be to reduce the number of packages maintained by 
our so powerful lead developer 'nobody' ...

Re: No packager's meeting this week, debrief next week

Pascal Terjan — 2013-05-21T10:16:02

I was wondering if I should list or not quality goals which are not
features, I had decided not but now I see
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:TidyPackagingPaths
Few things I am considering:
- Fixing all packages that randomly fail parallel build (including
some docmentation about it)
- Removing before mageia4 any package that hasn't been rebuilt since
mageia2 (maybe mageia3 if we are good enough :) )

Re: No packager's meeting this week, debrief next week

Sandro CAZZANIGA — 2013-05-21T08:48:56

Le 21/05/2013 10:28, Colin Guthrie a écrit :

There's a MATE feature \o/

Re: Branching cauldron for mga3 updates?

nicolas vigier — 2013-05-21T08:53:44


Branching should be done today.


And cauldron reopening a few hours/day later.

Re: No packager's meeting this week, debrief next week

Colin Guthrie — 2013-05-21T08:28:54

Hi,

Excellent email Malo :)

'Twas brillig, and Pierre-Malo Deniélou at 20/05/13 17:54 did gyre and
gimble:

\o/ for a little break[age].


FWIW, I've already written up several of my proposed features for Mageia
4: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia4 Other
packagers who want to see something happen in Mageia 4 should likely
start thinking about doing the same (although this process will be
formalised and announced in due course no doubt :))

Cheers

Col

Re: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing ziproxy-3.3.0-1.mga3

Nicolas Lécureuil — 2013-05-21T07:35:43

Le mardi 21 mai 2013 10:34:34 Sander Lepik a écrit :

please revert because we will have consistency pb between mga3 svn and mga3 
rpms.

Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing ziproxy-3.3.0-1.mga3

Sander Lepik — 2013-05-21T07:34:34

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Why? Can't you wait until cauldron is open again?

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Branching cauldron for mga3 updates?

FundaWang — 2013-05-21T06:35:33

Hello,

I want to know when the packages subversion be branched into updates/3 so that we could begin pushing updates into 3?

And, maybe reopening cauldron for mga4?

Regards.

Re: will upgrading be a clearly explained option in mgaonline ?

David W. Hodgins — 2013-05-21T03:16:22


The icon is blue, instead of red, but the procedure is still pretty much
the same as it was with  the upgrade from Mageia 1 to 2. It is now a little
more complicated though, as the first package that gets installed is
mageia-prepare-upgrade, after which it's necessary to reboot the system,
and select the prepare-upgrade stanza from the boot loader.

Anyone maintaining a system for other people who should not upgrade should
ensure they set
DO_NOT_ASK_FOR_DISTRO_UPGRADE=true
in /etc/sysconfig/mgaapplet.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Mentoring restart

Pierre-Malo Deniélou — 2013-05-20T23:35:16

Dear fellow packagers,

It is time to refresh our apprenticeship program and start again with 
the new volunteers we have. I would like to make some changes to the 
program, notably to help apprentices graduate a bit more successfully.

I just sent a mail to the current apprentices (please write to me if you 
didn't receive mail from me today) to ask them for some feedback.

 From you, fellow mentors, it would be great if you could have a look at 
the names of current apprentices at
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager
Please erase the apprentices that you haven't seen in a while.
Please erase yourself if you don't feel like supervising anyone anymore.

Now, we need to think about improving the process. The current situation 
is not so good, with very few apprentices graduating, and many 
apprenticeship not progressing because of the absence of either the 
mentor or the padawan. Also, candidates wait waaaaaayyyy too long for a 
mentor.

I am therefore open to suggestions. My current thoughts

Re: mageia 3 fails to install / update : usb addressing problem

André Salaün — 2013-05-20T23:30:25

Le Mon, 20 May 2013 23:13:04 +0200
José Jorge <lists.jjorge-GANU6spQydw< at >public.gmane.org> a écrit:


I am stupid !

nolapic (with update or dvd installation) resolve the problem.

Sorry for the noise.

And thank you for the job.

will upgrading be a clearly explained option in mgaonline ?

PhilippeDidier — 2013-05-20T21:43:04

I saw last updates coming for Mageia2 concerning urpmi dracut mgaonline
and mageia-prepare-upgrade...

I'm wondering if this implies that the "upgrade" option will be proposed
to everybody through mgaonline ...

I have a bad remembering of an upgrade option of mdkonline that induced
big problems to my old mother's computer ( Mandriva 2008.1 to 2009 ?):
eighty years old, French speaking, she didn't really understood the
difference between update and upgrade and clicked the blue button
(without having noticed it was not red as usual...)

not enough free space on the hard disk, slow internet => everything was
distroyed by an aborted upgrade... I had to reinstall the old version
and to suppress the upgrade option :
 modifying the file /etc/sysconfig/mdkapplet by changing the value false
to true variable for the line "DO_NOT_ASK_FOR_DISTRO_UPGRADE".


Will there be a clear distingo between updating Mageia2 (still
maintained) or upgrading to Mageia3 (through internet ... which is not
affordable for lots of people)

Re: mageia 3 fails to install / update : usb addressing problem

José Jorge — 2013-05-20T21:13:04

Le 20/05/2013 09:49, André Salaün a écrit :

You should open a bug report, as this looks like a kernel bug on your 
hardware. And the mga2 kernel should still boot nicely for now.

Re: How do we reboot?

David Walser — 2013-05-20T20:01:29

The reboot command *is* in the systemd package in Mageia 3.  It uses polkit
to determine the privileges.  In Mageia 2, it was in the usermode-consoleonly
package and used a different method to determine privileges.

Re: How do we reboot?

Frank Griffin — 2013-05-20T19:35:46

Turns out that "reboot" had been given the heave-ho by POSIX several 
years back, and the command technically shouldn't have been there. 
Several distros have not dropped it.

The official "old" way to do it is with "shutdown -r", but the newer 
systemd way to do it is "systemctl reboot".

Re: make menuconfig does nothing

Thomas Backlund — 2013-05-20T19:27:49

Richard Couture skrev 20.5.2013 22:20:

Thats intended.

If you read the description on kernel-desktop-devel it will tell you:

This package contains the kernel files (headers and build tools)
that should be enough to build additional drivers for
use with kernel-desktop-3.8.13-1.mga3.

If you want to build your own kernel, you need to install the full
kernel-source-3.8.13-1.mga3 rpm.

make menuconfig does nothing

Richard Couture — 2013-05-20T19:20:01

I wet to recompile my kernel and after editing my makefile and copying 
/boot/config .config and make oldconfig I type make menuconfig and it 
returned the prompt with no menu, nada....

I have installed:
kernel-userspace-headers-3.8.13-1.mga3
kernel-desktop-devel-3.8.13-1.mga3-1-1.mga3
kernel-desktop-3.8.13-1.mga3-1-1.mga3
kernel-firmware-nonfree-20130307-1.mga3.nonfree
kernel-desktop-devel-latest-3.8.13-1.mga3
nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest-319.17-4.mga3.nonfree
kernel-desktop-latest-3.8.13-1.mga3
kernel-firmware-20130307-2.mga3
nvidia-current-kernel-3.8.13-desktop-1.mga3-319.17-4.mga3.nonfree

I get nothing for make config as well. For make xconfig, it wants to 
install qt4-devel

I verified that libncurses and libncursesw devel is installed

Any ideas



Richard

How do we reboot?

Richard Couture — 2013-05-20T18:54:07

The reboot command, which in MGA2 was in the systemd-sysvinit package, 
does not seem to be present in my install of MGA3 and I have verified 
that the Package systemd-195-22.mga3.x86_64 is already installed

Is there a new way to reboot?




Richard

Re: mageia 3 fails to install / update : usb addressing problem

David W. Hodgins — 2013-05-20T18:30:09


Ouch.  Do you still have a Mageia 2 system (or livecd/dvd) available?

Please open a bug report, and attach the output of lspcidrake to the
bug report.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Re: Kernel Exploit published

David W. Hodgins — 2013-05-20T18:27:36


Also, when I was testing the kernel update, I tried the exploit (before
installing the update), and for some unknown reason, it doesn't work
in Mageia 2.

Before the update was installed, running the exploit just printed "killed".
It did not open a root shell.  After the update, the exploit fails with
an assertion error. That's on x86_64.  On i586 it failed with the assertion
error before and after installing the update.

Regards, Dave Hodgins