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Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Bob van der Poel — 2008-09-08T00:42:53

David Baron wrote: The original noteedit program used a mup-lilke syntax. I even managed to import/export a few simple pieces (just playing around stuff). The new program nted uses a text file which appears to represent the gui display much more than the music (which probably makes lots of sense). BTW, nted is a program which I've give a go and it appears to have lots of promise. Do you folks really think a gui is important for this kind of stuff? I know that I am very happy doing mup (and mma) stuff with a text editor. I have used a number of GUI interfaces for music and find they just slow me down or get in my way. With a program like mup (or lily) one can have an editor in a window and do repetitive compiles/displays in a separate window (or in emacs, in the same). And with fast CPUs which are so common today it is very fast to do. Maybe I'm just showing my age :)

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Bob van der Poel — 2008-09-08T00:36:01

Grammostola Rosea wrote: MUP does these as well :) But, really, use what works for you! Important part is the music, not the process.

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

David Baron — 2008-09-07T20:19:22

Mup does not look bad at all, aside from not being opensource. But it certainly will not break the bank and does produce nice output if it gets decent input. You, computers ... A while back, someone was working a a minimalist scoring program, gcomposer I think he called it. His syntax was very close to MUPs idea. He was not interested in a full repertoire of music symbols, however. But a GUI for MUP in the making. it certainly could be.

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Stephen Doonan — 2008-09-07T20:05:51

I love LilyPond and notated several piano pieces with it. It is very logical, very full-featured, and does produce beautiful scores. However, I stopped trying to notate with LilyPond because of the absence of one single feature-- In piano music and music for other polyphonic instruments, it is common, in order to create a score that is less cluttered and easy to read, to split a polyphonic voice (a voice that can contain chords instead of a single note) into two or more voices, and to combine two or more voices into a single voice. Sometimes this addition or subtraction of voices is sudden and may last only a very brief time--perhaps not even a full measure. The problem with this and LilyPond has to do with ties (tied notes). When I used LilyPond (a couple years ago) it was very difficult and required rather complex coding to make even a single tie extend from one voice to another. When the complexity of voices that merge and split at arbitrary times was added, it was virtually impossible to

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

svoufff at free — 2008-09-07T19:55:33

Yes i work on Sibelius almost everyday along linuxsampler to hear my scores. I'm on Ubuntu Hardy with RT kernel 2.6.24-19-rt. Sibelius 4.1.5 Wine 1.0 LS 5.1 I installed Sibelius as usual then i trhrown the file gdiplus.dll in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32 I also put in that folder the files mfc42.dll, msvcirt.dll and msvcp60.dll but don't recall if that was really for sibelius or another win-app I installed the msttcorefonts package On wine config, audio section, i had to choose only alsa driver. Then this is time to start everything : -start jack -start LS and load some sounds, connect LS in jack if it's not done automatically -start Sibelius.Go to Play/Playback & Input Devices.In front of the device you wanna use you have a yes/no (the "use" column).Single-click or double -click or triple-click...til you have a "yes".You won't have to do it again if you start the device (LS in my case) before Sibelius. Everything should be ready.Here's a webpage at winehq that helped me : http://appdb.winehq.org/objec

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Grammostola Rosea — 2008-09-07T19:28:56

Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact that it is able to handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think there is no notation editor on linux (with gui) which can do that. So my advice, learn lilypond with the help of lilypondtool and lilykde and when you can do with it what you want to do, consider to use one of the available gui's for it... or not... If you first work all the time with one of the gui's, it will be hard to edit something fast you wasn't able to do with you gui without some basic knowledge of lilypond in my opinion... So stay 'sick' home for a week and make sure you are able to work with lilypond at the end of that week , and I promise you, you will feel much better ;) For the dutch people, I found a nice tutorial/ handleiding by the maker of lilykde: http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/cursus_lilypond

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Grammostola Rosea — 2008-09-07T18:58:52

I did know the existence of MUP, but I did not consider to use it.... The notation apps on linux seems to be more orientated towards Lilypond (even for tablature: tuxguitar). So my choice was not difficult and at the end (with all the notation apps (gui's) on linux in mind) I think Lilypond will be the easiest solution...

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Bob van der Poel — 2008-09-07T17:17:30

Atte André Jensen wrote: I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ... but: I did spend some time with a number of products in 2004 and wrote this review: http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html I know things have changed since then. But, I figure that so long as something works I'll continue to use it :) Biggest concerns for me: - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick to point out that this might just be a case of "what one knows". MUP is certainly less verbose. - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not sure if lily does now (it didn't last time I checked). It is quite possible that the final output from a lily score may be better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is very good. These days I don't do band scores anymore with multiple parts, etc. Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in various keys (for Bb, Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for this and can crank out a custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody and chord names in 20

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

David Baron — 2008-09-07T15:20:39

Some great stuff here. Jedit may become a very good friend, even when not using lilypondtool (possibly its largest plugin!). Installing a bunch of them right now!

Re: [LAU] Drum samples

Dave Phillips — 2008-09-07T14:33:13

Use a soundfile editor (Audacity, Snd, ReZound, etc) to adjust relative volume. Normalize or add gain, save it as a WAV, then load it into Gigedit Best, dp

Re: [LAU] Drum samples

Grammostola Rosea — 2008-09-07T14:21:32

I tried to make an gig of the G&S Custom Work Drum Kit Sample Library, but the Cymbals have a very weak sound (not loud). Is it possible to make it better with gigedit?

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Grammostola Rosea — 2008-09-07T13:41:53

sudo aptitude install musescore lilypond nted rosegarden where my steps i did follow... ;) No experience with Sibelius on linux. I only worked for a while with Finale wine. But I didn't use finale much on linux. I'm learning now Lilypond with the help of some useful tools e.g. lilykde (excellent templates and fast) and lilypondtool (great debugger and a lot of options) http://code.google.com/p/lilykde/ http://lilypondtool.organum.hu/ and till now I can do everything I want, also with help of the lilypond user mailinglist.... If you can work with lilypond, you can use the Notation editors (nted, rosegarden, musescore, denemo or noteedit) to work with a gui, and if needed you can improve the score (adding chord symbols for example) by hand. What I try to say, learn lilypond and you don't 'suffer' much if an notation editor lacks a feature you need...

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Atte André Jensen — 2008-09-07T12:11:20

A sidestep: Has anyone been able to run sibelius under linux? If so, what steps did you have to follow?

Re: [LAU] Notation: The State of the Mess

Atte André Jensen — 2008-09-07T12:09:39

Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup over lilypond?

Re: [LAU] Renoise

James Stone — 2008-09-06T21:44:58

You might also look at schism tracker, which is based on impulse tracker. It can be driven entirely from the keyboard.

Re: [LAU] First commercial VSTi for Linux released

Nedko Arnaudov — 2008-09-06T13:18:48

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Re: [LAU] First commercial VSTi for Linux released

Fons Adriaensen — 2008-09-06T12:58:26

I've found no reference to that in the DBUS docs. And the interface, being designed to allow all sorts of bindings, is horribly bloated. Does LASH use DBUS in a network-aware way ? Can it launch an app on a remote machine ? The *last* thing I want is to have layer upon layer of protocols and abstractions. And XML. Once the apps have the OSC fucntionality build-in (and they need that anyway), they can talk network wide to each other and to a session manager, it just needs definition of the protocol. No need to add anything else. Ciao,

Re: [LAU] First commercial VSTi for Linux released

Pieter Palmers — 2008-09-06T10:54:59

For the record: AFAIK DBUS is perfectly capable of networked operation. As far as I know Arnold Krille already has it running networked for one of his experiments. It's a rather undocumented feature though, and I could be wrong. I didn't try it myself (yet). And even if it's not, there is no reason why a simple OSC<->lash bridge could not be built. IMHO that definitely beats writing a custom session manager. Greets, Pieter

Re: [LAU] [ANN] Virtual MIDI Piano Keyboard 0.1.1

hermann meyer — 2008-09-06T04:16:47

Am Freitag, den 05.09.2008, 23:45 +0200 schrieb Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas: Hello Nice, now vmpk is fast enough. :) One more sugestion I have, could you make it posible that vampk dont loose the mouse event when I move the mouse out of the widget with the button pressed ? regards hermann

[LAU] [ANN] Virtual MIDI Piano Keyboard 0.1.1

Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas — 2008-09-05T21:45:44

This is a maintenance release, trying to solve the performance problems reported by some people for the first public release announced last week. Thank you very much for your comments! Virtual MIDI Piano Keyboard is a MIDI event generator and receiver. It doesn't produce any sound by itself, but can be used to drive a MIDI synthesizer (either hardware or software, internal or external). You can use the computer's keyboard to play MIDI notes, and also the mouse. You can use the Virtual MIDI Piano Keyboard to display the played MIDI notes from another instrument or MIDI file player. Changelog: 2008-09-05 0.1.1 * Bugfix: crash at startup when no MIDI input devices were available. * Changed default key bindings map: the new default one is equal to Impulse Tracker and other programs. More keys are mapped now. * Several optimizations in keyboard handling code and display updates. 2008-08-31 0.1.0 * First public release Copyright (C) 2008, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas License: GPL v3

Re: [LAU] Renoise

garryo — 2008-09-05T21:34:39

Grammostola wrote: Hi, Dirk, Frank, everybody! Dirk, your question has been puzzling me too. Now that Soundtracker appears to be broken on debian/lenny, I've been looking for a replacement. Renoise is pretty good but its not free ( as in speech or beer ) and it didn't seem to synch long samples too well against a rhythm section built of one-shots. Frank B. wrote: Of the free trackers available Milkytracker is IMHO my opinion the front runner. some of the others are promising but most seem to be suffering from lack of development work. The GUI is a bit fiddly on Milkytracker, but its no more difficult to use than soundtracker, just different. And it sounds good. The developers seem very keen on reproducing the sound of the Fasttracker II audio engine. I don't know FT II but Milkytracker sounds tight and crispy. My main problem with MT was that the jack driver didn't work. Frank B. just provided the solution to that one: [2] above. ( Frank i kiss your cheeks! :-) ) which also solved my other pr