gmane.linux.arch.general

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

Tom Gundersen — 2013-05-23T05:04:52

So far no comments, so I'll go ahead with my plan as soon as I find time.


I didn't look much into this at all (I'm currently suffering from a
bad internet connection, so will get back to this next week), but at
least libbluedevil still uses Bluez4.

Cheers,

Tom

Re: Building packages from AUR/ABS

Mariano Verdú — 2013-05-22T21:26:00

2013/5/14 Joaquin Villanova <joaquin.villanova.romero< at >alumnos.upm.es>



Remember the Arch Rolling Machine

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Downgrading_Packages#ARM

Re: [arch-dev-public] Perl 5.18 in [testing]

Florian Pritz — 2013-05-22T21:04:53

http://git.server-speed.net/users/flo/bin/plain/module-to-dist.pl

Re: [arch-dev-public] Perl 5.18 in [testing]

Jonathan Hudson — 2013-05-22T16:27:34


Where might I find the required module-to-dist.pl ?

Thanks

-jh

Re: Arch Linux Community on Gittip

Allan McRae — 2013-05-22T01:07:18

I don't think it needs our blessing.  I think people will understand the
difference between donating to an individual and the distribution.

Allan

Arch Linux Community on Gittip

Karol Blazewicz — 2013-05-21T20:45:01

http://archlinux.me/dusty/2013/05/21/arch-linux-community-on-gittip/

Does this initiative have the Uber Archers blessing? Does it need one?

I recall that there were issues regarding the official Google+ page
even though it was started by an Arch dev, the info was posted on the
forums https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=129923 and things
seemed OK.

Re: [arch-dev-public] Perl 5.18 in [testing]

Florian Pritz — 2013-05-21T08:30:02

Should have tested the link first...

http://git.server-speed.net/users/flo/bin/plain/find-broken-perl-packages.sh

Perl 5.18 in [testing]

Florian Pritz — 2013-05-21T08:28:03

Hi,

Perl 5.18, as any other new perl version, requires all modules that are
not purely perl code to be rebuilt. We did that for all packages in our
repos.

For a list of upstream changes please refer to `man perldelta`.

Since users probably installed some from AUR or with
CPANPLUS::Dist::Arch, I wrote a script[1] that generates a local rebuild
list.

[1]: http://git.server-speed.net/bin/plain/find-broken-perl-packages.sh

 - raw.txt contains a list of files that generated an error
 - perl-modules.txt contains a list of modules the files belong to
 - perl-dists.txt contains a list of distributions
 - pacman.txt contains a list of pacman packages the files belong to

Binaries linking with libperl.so will also need to be rebuilt. You can
use lddd from devtools to find those.

Please report any issue you encounter.

Re: [arch-dev-public] Dropping compiz?

Eric Bélanger — 2013-05-21T01:44:30

Yes. I just removed emerald and emerald-themes.

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

Karol Babioch — 2013-05-21T01:06:27

Hi Tom,

Am 13.05.2013 18:02, schrieb Tom Gundersen:


I'm quite interested in Bluez 5 and would like to have it running as
soon as possible ;). Any updates on the progress of your RFC? Do you
have a list of applications currently not ready to work with Bluez 5 and
still requiring Bluez 4 and its API?

Best regards,
Karol Babioch

Re: [arch-dev-public] Dropping compiz?

Bjoern Franke — 2013-05-20T23:26:31


Shouldn't emerald be dropped, too?

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

satisficer — 2013-05-19T23:51:32


Many of the [Squeezebox forums](http://forums.slimdevices.com/) are mirrored
with a Mailman list, which I access with slrn through gmane.org. There's so
much noise on there that using a newsreader is the *only* way I can keep
up with any topics. It would be nice to have an email option with the Arch
Forums, but I don't know if there's any easy way to extend FluxBB like that.

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

phani — 2013-05-19T13:46:16

On Sun, 19 May 2013 18:29:48 +0530, Ralf Mardorf  
<ralf.mardorf< at >alice-dsl.net> wrote:




apart from privacy issues, googlel groups isn't a real mailing list. i do  
manage one, and i hate that it's interface encourages people to use HTML  
and senseless quoting. i would use GNU's mailman, unless somebody else has  
a better idea.

and i'm still not sure that another mailing list really is a good idea,  
because simply by existing it would contribute to fragmentation of the  
available knowledge base.

[sorry for the unintended private reply earlier.]

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

phani — 2013-05-19T11:55:51

On Sat, 18 May 2013 21:57:03 +0530, Ralf Mardorf  
<ralf.mardorf< at >alice-dsl.net> wrote:



i've thought about this several times, but the thought that's always  
stopped me is fragmentation. there's already (at least) two mailing lists,  
the forums, and of course the wiki to research if one is looking to solve  
a particular problem. adding another mailing list, another archive to  
search, wouldn't make things easier.

apart from that, my personal preference would be a _slightly_ more  
"chatty" mailing list, as i was used to from openSUSE, per example. the  
arch-general list feels more like an extension of the bug tracker, really.  
anything except the bare minimum tech. information is frowned upon, and  
unless you're part of a small core group of members, even technical  
questions that haven't already been answered in the wiki are likely to be  
answered with, "...do your own research and don't waste everybody's time."

i also prefer the mailing list or newsgroup format, but for those who do  
use a gr

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

Bardur Arantsson — 2013-05-19T08:56:29

Good point, but that needs the forum to support it(*) and leads to a
proliferation of RSS feeds. IME feed readers aren't as good as handling
large numbers of subscriptions as news readers, so I always prefer the
NTTP way :).


IME this is even more annoying -- you usually can't reply directly to
such emails and it's often a multistep process to be able to reply
(requiring login, and so forth).

Regards,

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

Ralf Mardorf — 2013-05-19T09:20:49

Ok, this time I won't reply off-list.

Remember the systemd flame war. Some discussions simply don't belong to
Arch general. Even some questions don't belong to this list, e.g. "How
can I use dd to backup my Windows?", "Can anybody recommend a good USB
coffee cup warming plate?".

A _user_ mailing list for similar questions and subjective discussions
_must_ be separated from Arch general.


Setting up filters is a good idea, when having a _user_ list with
threads that don't belong to Arch general.

When using a forum, you can't easily post using a MUA, you need to use
the online form.

For good reasons Arch general is a moderated list. If you take a look at
the archive, you can see the advantage. The disadvantage is, that for
dumb questions a user list is missing, but users sometimes need to ask
dumb questions, take a look at e.g. Ubuntu or Debian mailing lists.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

Karol Blazewicz — 2013-05-19T08:44:02

+1


You can subscribe to rss feeds of these forums and your rss reader
will then show you "everything new in all the
forums I'm a member of". You can subscribe to individual threads, so
you shouldn't miss replies - you'll get an e-mail notification.

Re: Sound broken, using pulse audio

BlissSam — 2013-05-19T01:58:21


I am the submitter of that kernel bug. I am having Intel sound card and the
problem only happened after upgrading to 3.9 kernel.

That problem is in fact initialization failure for Conexant codec. Does your
sound card use Conexant codec, too?

You may get everything needed for troubleshooting by looking at [1] for
alsa-info.sh scripts. Run it with --no-upload. If your sound works in 3.8
kernel, run it in both 3.8 and 3.9 kernel. That is useful if you really
decide to submit a bug report or just wonder whether your problem is the
same as mine.

Hope to get your problem solved.


Note:
[1]: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA#Reporting_problems

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

Bardur Arantsson — 2013-05-19T03:25:35

There are two solutions to this:

a) Use a mail reader which can actually handle a larger mail volume more
sanely. (Filters, or a mail reader which can "kill" threads so that you
don't receive future replies on a given thread, etc.)

b) Use Gmane.org to give you an NNTP interface to mailing lists and use
a news reader -- high-volume lists is what NTTP and news readers were
meant for. (I'm using Thunderbird.) It's trivial to set up and
effortlessly lets you follow along in lots and lots of mailing lists
without having to set up any mail client magic.


You still have to actively go to the specific Arch forums to keep up
with replies, etc. There's no unified "show me everything new in all the
forums I'm a member of" page where I can go to keep up.

That's a much bigger problem for many mail-oriented users than setting
up a filter or two.

Regards,

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

Whiskers — 2013-05-18T22:01:57

On Sat, 18 May 2013 18:27:03 +0200 Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf< at >alice-dsl.net> wrote:


Even more efficient and comfortable, a usenet newsgroup.  I /really/ don't
like the clunky sluggish and bloated things that web forums are.  Mailing
lists are better, but the combination of a newsgroup with a good
newsreader program (or even with a combined email+usenet client such as
'Thunderbird' or 'Claws Mail') is still more convenient.  The Arch
depositories include a good selection of usenet software.


[...]

The infrastructure for newsgroups is very well established (it predates
the internet, but is of course accessed via the internet now).  Unless
'moderation' is required, no particular effort or commitment is required
from anyone once a new newsgroup has been 'created'.

Participants do have to set up their software to 'subscribe' to the new
newsgroup, but I don't think any Arch users would be daunted by that.
Some ISPs have ceased to include a usenet service, but there are plenty of
public news-servers to choose

Re: Arch mailing list for subjective discussions

Ralf Mardorf — 2013-05-18T21:32:24

Hi Joan,

it's nearly impossible to discuss something and to stay objective and
straight to the topic, this only is possible, if everybody has got the
same opinion and when discussions are completely about technical issues.

The way Arch general is moderated at the moment does provide the
advantage, that developers can focus important technical issues. The
developers make the distro and that is ok, I don't want the right to say
for users.

What's IMO missing is a place for users, where we can share opinions and
workarounds to customize our Arch Linux or even ask dumb question.

I neither know, if there is an interest for a user mailing list by many
Arch users, nor how to set up a list, assumed there should be an
interest.

Off-list I didn't get much mails, but until now at least one mail and
the reply is pro an user mailing list.

This thread shouldn't become a discussion on the list, I only want to
know if there are more users interested and if so, I hope somebody has
got the ability to set up a list.

So,