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Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Satish Bonthu — 2013-05-24T04:51:59

I have been fortunate to be part of many heated and lively discussions and
at times to openings of Pandora's Box.

I never knew that EVM used in India is highly dubious piece of plastic
which can be tampered with.

Surely makes me go crazy that my vote which i have cast can be manipulated
through EVM? truly sad thing.......................if we on this forum are
so taken aback by this thing and events happening around this why has not
much spoken or even debated on larger forums like print or television media?




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[IAC#RG] Public Grievance about TRAI's functioning

Sarbajit Roy — 2013-05-24T05:29:06

To:
Dr. Rahul Khullar
Hon'ble Chairman/TRAI

24-May-2013

BY EMAIL

Dear Dr. Khullar,

On behalf of the members of India Against Corruption ("IAC") I am
constrained to bring to your personal attention that vast sections of the
Republic of India are being deprived of the opportunity to participate in
TRAIs' public consultation processes because the consultation papers are
not being made available to them in the Hindi language. Neither is the
factum of these papers being placed in public domain getting  updated on
the TRAI's Hindi version website which still dates to 8-Dec-2011.
http://www.trai.gov.in/Content/Hindi/consultationpaper.aspx?qid=13

A case in point being the recent consultation paper on Television Rating
Agencies. I had previously complained to Mr. A.M.Govil about this, as I was
informed he is responsible for Hindi language adoption in TRAI, but have
not heard anything from him.

The official language policy of the Union is pretty clear " *.. Hindi in
Devanagari script is the official language of

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Ravindran P M — 2013-05-24T01:00:19

Dear Mr Sanjeev Gupta

May I know the details- date of filing, case number, advocate representing
you and opposite parties, dates on which hearings scheduled/conducted,
present status etc. I have the least faith in our judiciary but still it is
one option (and possibly the only legally available option for a law
abiding citizen/group of citizens) to address grievances/issues.

regards n bw

ravi


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Re: [IAC#RG] Corruption in recruitment of Assistant Professor at Jiwaji University

pavan nair — 2013-05-24T02:10:01

Dear Mr Kumar,
   Thanks for your response which I appreciate. You have accepted that
hunger and poverty is mainly on account of corruption and poor governance.
You are correct. But surely most of the corrupt are hindus since hindus are
the majority. That is where the argument started. Pavan Nair


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Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Ravindran P M — 2013-05-24T01:18:53

Dear Mr Sarbajit

May I know the details- date of filing, case number, advocate representing
you and opposite parties, dates on which hearings scheduled/conducted,
present status etc. I have the least faith in our judiciary but still it is
one option (and possibly the only legally available option for a law
abiding citizen/group of citizens) to address grievances/issues.

I am also an engineer and an activist who has been interacting with
judiciary/quasi judicial organisations for the last 15 years and I know how
these 'holier than thou' lot treat litigants. In fact I took up an issue
that began in a consumer 'court' with a complaint by me and took it up to
the apex court. I got my appeal bundle after almost 6 months asking me to
file it through an advocate on record or personally. I went to delhi all
the way for the third time in relation to this case and in tehbargain also
attended the inaugural and concluding functions of a seminar of 'Access to
Justice' organised by Supreme Court Advocates on Record Assn

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Pranab Kumar Chakravarty — 2013-05-23T15:20:08

IF WHAT  you say is based on fact ,it is a matter of concern for
democracy.Please take major political parties into confidence and take up
the issue with the ELECTION COMMISSION OF INDIA  and the Supreme  Court of
India.


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[IAC#RG] Fwd: Additional Submissions of IAC post Open House Disc on Media Ownership.

Sarbajit Roy — 2013-05-23T22:40:18

To:
Shri Wasi Ahmed
Advisor BCS, TRAI

24/May/2013

Respected Sir

*Sub: Additional Submissions of IAC post the Open House Disc on Media
Ownership.
*
Please find attached a PDF file containing additional submissions of the
India Against Corruption ("IAC") pursuant to our participation in the Open
House Discussion on Media Ownership held at FICCI/Delhi on 18/05/2013.

These submissions are in addition to the IAC's written submissions sent by
email on 17/May/2013, and are lodged courtesy Hon'ble Chairman/TRAI's most
gracious offer granting all participants in the OHD time till 25/May/2013
to file additional / updated submissions.

We hope all IAC's submissions shall be duly considered by the TRAI while
formulating its recommendations on this important issue and are always
available for any clarifications.

With best wishes

yours faithfully

Er. Sarbajit Roy
on behalf of India Against Corruption, a people's movement

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Re: [IAC#RG] Corruption in recruitment of Assistant Professor at Jiwaji University

2013-05-23T16:46:49

I am tired of the Brahmin bashing. This elite group's aim was to only educate and enlighten. And they have done so, selflessly and brilliantly from the very ancient times whether it has been the discovery of 0 or guiding their nations. Those who choose to be exploited cannot whine when they lack the capacity for direction/ leadership/ guidance or indeed intellect. Nice try Mayawati but blood matters, you simply don't have it. The Brahmins have been there for 3 thousands of years and they will continue to be for the next 3 thousands. If you want to challenge them alter your genetics.

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RE: [IAC#RG] 2 "polls" say Manmohan tottering, NaMo & Clown Prince rising

vasant sardesai — 2013-05-23T14:33:34

Instead ofpointingout the longlist ofhis failures,it would have been appropriate to point out his successes in governance.
 
V. S. Sardesai
 


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Dear Mr. Singh,
Inmy opinion Dr. MMS has failed on the following counts-
1. He has not stood upto mechinations of Sonia Gandhi and her sole interest in promoting interest of Gandhi family and her son.
2.He is responsible for not laying down any longterm policy for exploitation of natural resources like oil,gas,coal,forests,rivers waters and air(spectrum). It has been accepted that these are national endowments,limited and hence should be exploited in a sustainable manner. The G

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Prakash Jain — 2013-05-23T09:17:17

As a common Citizen of India , I also believe that EC should work very
efficiently & I have a also doubt on EVM , So it should be taken into
consideration.


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Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Sukla Sen — 2013-05-23T10:08:03

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-02-02/india/36702629_1_evms-paper-trail-ballot-cast

EC ready with new-age electronic voting machines with printing unit
Bharti Jain, TNN Feb 2, 2013, 04.32AM IST

NEW DELHI: A revised version of the electronic voting machine (EVM),
complete with a printing unit to generate a voter verifiable paper
trail, is set to be cleared by the Election Commission early next
week.

The expert technical committee, which examined the viable EVM
prototypes that enable a paper trail of each ballot cast, has
completed the trials and zeroed in on the final model that will cost
an additional Rs 8,000-9,000 per machine.

Sources in the EC told TOI that around 6 lakh EVMs, all procured in or
after 2006, will be fitted with a printer that will have a drop box to
store the paper trail of the votes cast. This is expected to alleviate
concerns â€” expressed earlier by the opposition led by BJP â€” over
possible tampering of EVMs to favour a certain candidate.

The cost of up

Re: [IAC#RG] Corruption in recruitment of Assistant Professor at Jiwaji University

Vidyut Kale — 2013-05-23T10:28:15

I hear you, but unfortunately, even in a house of all obese people, someone
must promote diet and exercise - even if it is (naturally) an obese person.

We are each other's best watchdogs *if* we do it.

My philosophy is that perfection is a myth - it does not exist, what is
needed is continuous improvement.

Vidyut


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Re: [IAC#RG] Appointment of new CAG challenged in SC

Vidyut Kale — 2013-05-23T08:42:50

your point on identity of person filing petition is noted, and is important.

The ad hominem attacks detract from our credibility and should be avoided
as far as possible, in my opinion. If the objection makes sense, the
identity of the person making it should not be an issue, or the method they
use, unless the method is illegal.

Vidyut


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RE: [IAC#RG] Corruption in recruitment of Assistant Professor at Jiwaji University

Gaur J K — 2013-05-23T11:45:37

dear Sir,

all your facts are wrong.

The word Hindu is a creation of Muslim rulers.
You should ask your self what were the natives called before Islam.

Also find out when and why MurtyIdol) worship started .

When and why the temples were started, who built them how they were maintained as place of worship.

What is the journey Vedic religion has taken and survived till today.

IT IS BETTER sUCH CONTROVERIAL issues ARE NOT RAISED.

jkgAUR
 



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One is surprised how corruption is being picked up as a topic  for engagement  AT ALL . Corruption is part of Hindu psyche ! It is inbred in Brahmanical rituals . Corruption is nursed first in temples , in daily prayers to deity such as Lakshmi etc  and builds up as the strongest constituent of Hindu following. It is ripened in H

Re: [IAC#RG] Corruption in recruitment of Assistant Professor at Jiwaji University

S kumar — 2013-05-23T09:49:13

Preposterous. Hindu rule of the Country since several millenea has been exemplary and free of corruption, only service oriented.
 
Typical example is the Travancore dynasty of Kings, who owne the Padmanabhaswamy Temple now found to be the richest temple in the World and the treasury was entrusted to Lord Mahavishnu and the ruler rules the State on behalf of the deity.
 
All the wealth right from ancient Roman times of Julius Caesar or even earlier, when pepper was weighed against Gold, (proved by sacks full of Roam Gold coins) and all earnings of export of spices like Cardamom, Cloves..etc. were placed at the feet of Lord Padmanabha and there is an understanding that these chests would be opened and used only in case of famine or war to save the people.
 
Such was the integrity of the people- Hindus.
 
It is the Muslim invaders and Christian looters from East India Co. that started corruption in the Country to take away the Wealth of the Country. Where is Kohinnor diamond? Peacock throne and thousands of

Re: [IAC#RG] 2 "polls" say Manmohan tottering, NaMo & Clown Prince rising

Vidyut Kale — 2013-05-23T10:42:19

Dear Lokesh,

Al alternative view.

I appreciate how tough it must have been to survive in an apolitical forum
with such worship in your heart. I also am sad to bring further undesirable
views.

Modi - or for that matter BJP have zero clout in the south, north east and
Kashmir. Modi has only enough support to be a nuisance in the BJP - if he
had a clear majority, BJP wouldn't be dithering like that.

A leader who needs an ad agency to connect with the masses is clearly
incompetent. A leader who remains controversial even after using heavy
professional promotion is beyond useless. The only reason Modi must
continue to struggle and BJP must tolerate is that if he sinks and the
activists get their teeth into him, he may take rest of BJP affiliates down
with him. Don't mistake this for anything relevant on a National level. He
and Swamy can't really ditch BJP as the whispered rumors go either, because
then winning elections gets even further away. His lack of ability to
compromise has literally driven BJP into a

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar — 2013-05-23T09:55:34

Dear Mr. Roy,

You must have control over what you say!! How much ever you are right,
 people will always try to belittle you!! I am not against you or your
answer but I am against the style of your answer. You till date have
attacked many of us but from last 02 years you are not same cool guy, your
style of writing is getting *more aggressive and abusive*.

After brief moments at this list and in my brief experience, I have arrived
at a conclusion, "When Elephant walks, Dogs Barks" more dogs bark at you,
you are moving in the right direction. There is no point in you chasing
each and every dog, end loser is you!! you waste your energy!!

I sincerely request you to please focus on people who we would like to
work. Not on convincing people that you alone are doing right!! It is same
thing that you had said to me during the "secularist" discussions "Every
Cause is a cause if there is a fool ready to die/fight for it" (please
correct as it may not be word to word).

If you have a cause, you are ready to fight f

RE: [IAC#RG] Appointment of new CAG challenged in SC

M.N.Seshadri — 2013-05-23T09:02:39

It is well known fact that the Defence Secretary and the Army Hq. never got
along well and we can now expect quite a lot of Audit  Para concerning Army
and connected  welfare measures like canteen and ECHS and so on!!  Will
someone point this out quickly before more damage is done to the Army and
India . 

 

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Subject: [IAC#RG] Appointment of new CAG challenged in SC

 

Dear IAC members / patriotic friends on other channels

The appointment of the new CAG has been challenged in the Supreme Court a
few hours back by Advocate Manoharlal Sharma (the original Petitioner in
COALGATE). After mentioning before the Vacation Bench today it was directed
the PIL be listed to be taken up on 01.07.2013 the moment the court resumes
after summer vacations.

Although the petition has been filed by Adv. Sharma,

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Sainiksangh — 2013-05-23T10:11:24

Every thing is rigged,little doubt,the very political system is planted with purpose. It is serving that purpose. Many attempts have been made to correct but none to reveal the genesis of the mother of ills. This is the role money plays in keeping it throbbing. Rest is all incidental and peripheral. 
This cannot be corrected by mere writs.This needs dismantling the system, which needs upheaval, which needs guts in society , which is not a forte with ours. Pak despite all the mayhem 
and mess seems to have better chances of cleaning its system as seen by dug in position that its judiciary can take to. Why can't our SC haul up our PM and throw him in   jail for all the scandals that have collected in his basket! IF Gilani could go and Musharraf in  their box then that's a feather in their cap. Does Islam have a a strain for governance better than Hindus ? For Islam governed here for 7 centuries Hindus never , perhaps one reason
Chauhan
Ps. I have a worms eye view of the pillaging that goes in the name of elect

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Sarbajit Roy — 2013-05-23T08:57:45

Dear Sanjeev

I am also an engineer. Unlike you I have been filing / arranging PILs in SC
since last 30 years without any need for advocate.

In fact filing a PIL in SC and getting relief is so ridiculously simple
that even my 3 year old son could file a PIL there, get it listed and argue
it personally to get his relief in first hearing which benefited so many
people and children in India and stopped a massive BJP scam. The Court was
so pleased that they even dubbed my minor son  "Ld. Counsel" in their
orders for his efforts.

Therefore it is very unlikely that you are more expert in social reform
than we are. I was not appointed as National Convenor of IAC for my
pleasant personality

PS: the exit link is at the foot of every message sent from this mailing
list

Sarbajit

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RE: [IAC#RG] 2 "polls" say Manmohan tottering, NaMo & Clown Prince rising

Gaur J K — 2013-05-23T06:15:36

Dear Mr. Singh,

Inmy opinion Dr. MMS has failed on the following counts-

1. He has not stood upto mechinations of Sonia Gandhi and her sole interest in promoting interest of Gandhi family and her son.

2.He is responsible for not laying down any longterm policy for exploitation of natural resources like oil,gas,coal,forests,rivers waters and air(spectrum). It has been accepted that these are national endowments,limited and hence should be exploited in a sustainable manner. The Govt. he has been heading has no right to exploit them without any restrain or policy laid down by parliament. The Sc has said the same thing.

3.The PM has failed to put in place proper checkes and balances to plug the leakages,As a result, all the scams are tumbing out during thr last 4-5 years. And when CAG when points out the lacunae, he is accused of going beyond his brief, promoting interest of rival political parties.

4. Dr. singh is hung up on growth model of 10% and talks of inclusive growth. But it is confined to the 100 l