gmane.ietf.tools

Re: Mailing List Filters

Alexa Morris — 2008-10-03T16:18:32

Stephane, Several months ago we presented the IETF leadership with various options for how to configure the mail server settings in order to most effectively minimize the amount of spam that moderators had to deal with, while still being as flexible as possible for the community. We then implemented the option that was selected. However, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to achieve a balance that pleases everyone. That said, we are always happy to make changes to the server configurations if directed to do so by the leadership. Alexa On 10/2/08 1:43 AM, "Stephane Bortzmeyer" nic.fr> wrote:

Re: Mailing List Filters

Stephane Bortzmeyer — 2008-10-02T08:43:33

On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:25:07PM -0700, Alexa Morris amsl.com> wrote a message of 131 lines which said: Great for Lars but this is not the point. The point is that IETF mail servers are blocking SMTP servers on a very bad basis, with a test that most IETFers regard as meaningless and which is not sanctioned by any RFC. See for more information.

Re: Mailing List Filters

Alexa Morris — 2008-10-02T05:25:07

Lars, It's very simple for us to note your email address as an exception to this rule, and we have done so now. In fact, because we realized that this might be an issue for some community members, we created a form for people to let us know if they had difficulty sending email, see here: http://www.ietf.org/contactform.html (this is accessible from the Secretariat contact area of the website) Hopefully your problem should be resolved, but please let me know if you experience any further difficulties. Regards, Alexa On 10/1/08 1:28 PM, "Lars Eggert" nokia.com> wrote:

Re: permission error in trac

Henrik Levkowetz — 2008-09-11T22:22:46

Hi Mark, On 2008-09-09 03:38 Mark Nottingham said the following: ... Permission denied ... Mph. Must be an artefact from the 0.11 upgrade script. Fixed now. Henrik

permission error in trac

Mark Nottingham — 2008-09-09T01:38:27

I tried to set a default state for issues and got: -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss< at >ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss

Re: minor problem with dhc WG issues tracker

Ralph Droms — 2008-09-09T17:51:22

Thanks, Henrik! Works fine now... - Ralph On Sep 9, 2008, at Sep 9, 2008,11:36 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

Re: minor problem with dhc WG issues tracker

Henrik Levkowetz — 2008-09-09T15:36:03

Hi Ralph, On 2008-09-08 23:09 Ralph Droms said the following: Oops. Fixed. (No, the notification settings aren't part of the online admin interface, yet. Hopefully soon.) Henrik

minor problem with dhc WG issues tracker

Ralph Droms — 2008-09-08T21:09:19

It seems the dhc WG issues tracker sends announcements to dhc< at >ietf.org, while the official mailing list for the dhc WG is dhcwg< at >ietf.org . Is there a configuration knob I can use to fix that issue? - Ralph

Re: Nits (was:I-DACTION:draft-ietf-avt-seed-srtp-04.txt)

2008-09-08T05:12:29

Thanks! I've reported this to the secretariat (ticket rt.amsl.com #10514) who're responsible for maintaining the source page. Best regards, Pasi

Nits (was: I-DACTION:draft-ietf-avt-seed-srtp-04.txt)

Frank Ellermann — 2008-09-07T14:18:00

Something for Bill or one of the famous code sprints... ...still no link to the rfcmarkup version, but clearly the five authors S. Yoon, J. Kim, H. Kim, H. Jeong, and Y. Won don't include "I. Property" ;-) ###################################################### Unrelated, I forgot to report it, in one of the last daily overdoses two new "narrative minutes" went to the same page. Checking what's going on I found that the source page got it wrong, three narrative minutes, but only one link: The two missing narrative minutes exist, but they did not get their links on this page. Frank

Re: draft name changes

Frank Ellermann — 2008-09-07T02:04:31

[33- 5 - 14] LOL, I completely missed the point, thanks for info. Frank

Re: abnf extracting code?

Alice Hagens — 2008-09-04T20:41:42

Yes, thanks, Henrik. http://tools.ietf.org/abnf/ is useful. It would also be helpful if a file could be uploaded to it or a URL entered (as for example on http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff) so that ABNF could be extracted from a document that is not a posted I-D or published RFC. Alice for the RFC Editor On Aug 20, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Tony Hansen wrote:

Re: draft name changes

Henrik Levkowetz — 2008-09-03T09:00:14

Hi Frank, On 2008-09-03 08:02 Frank Ellermann said the following: The utility I use to produce bargraphs gratuitously calculates average figures, but you should ignore them if it's not obvious what they mean. They are always the average bar length calculated over the slots corresponding to the bars above, and in this case you can even calculate the percentages from the number of years displayed: 3 years => the average submissions per year were 33% of the total submissions -- impressive, no? ,,;-) Ignore the 14% -- it just means that there were 7 years in the input. Henrik

Re: draft name changes

Frank Ellermann — 2008-09-03T06:02:41

[...] [xml] [...] [txt] [...] [pdf] Lies, damned lies, statistics. I'm mystified, what does this mean ? 95% of all users somehow managed to submit Internet-Drafts without the required TXT (5%) versions ? And for what purpose do they submit PDF (14%) versions ? Frank

Re: draft name changes

Tony Hansen — 2008-09-01T17:47:34

+1 Note: it's not just WG drafts, but also individual drafts that can have more than one precursor individual draft. There's also the case of individual drafts starting as WG drafts and turning individual when a WG decides (or is forced) to disband. Another twist that could be captured is when a draft is split apart into multiple drafts. The taxonomy progresses in many ways. Tony Hansen tony< at >att.com

Re: draft name changes

Tony Hansen — 2008-09-01T17:40:31

Spencer, this is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of. It requires you to think about the question and provide an answer one way or another. Exactly why it can't be "require". There's *always* an exception and whatever we put in to place *must* allow for such exceptions. Tony Hansen tony< at >att.com

Re: draft name changes

Jari Arkko — 2008-09-01T15:07:18

I did not mean to imply that you have to give an individual draft name as the predecessor of the wg-00 draft. But I do want that question to be asked upon submission time. Jari (who has sent in countless mails to the secretary to add a history link between drafts)

Re: draft name changes

Henrik Levkowetz — 2008-09-01T14:56:37

On 2008-09-01 16:18 Thomas Morin said the following: Quite so. Henrik

Re: draft name changes

Thomas Morin — 2008-09-01T14:18:18

Henrik Levkowetz : By the way the submission tool field has to be named in terms of "draft being replaced: " rather than "replaced by", or that will certainly cause some confusion (usability nitpicking). Cheers, -Thomas

Re: draft name changes

Thomas Morin — 2008-09-01T14:11:34

Henrik Levkowetz : I would support this. If, at some point, it makes it easier for xml2rfc users, then wouldn't it be nice to work on a such new field today ? Also, independently of the submission tool, adding this type of precursor information to the XML2RFC format could be applicable to the RFC editor, as a way to store the name of the draft before it became an RFC, couldn't it ? -Thomas

Re: draft name changes

Thomas Morin — 2008-09-01T14:00:13

In the same line of thinking (making it easy to do the right thing without enforcing any new processes), it seems to me that it would make sense to allow a WG draft to have *more than one* precursor individual drafts. Indeed, there are cases where a WG draft results from the "merger" of individual drafts aiming at solving the same issue, or proposing very similar solutions. Forcing to state zero or one precursor would force author to settle for zero (loss of information) or to arbitrarily choose one of the precursors (the latter being possibly difficult if the merger resulted from a non obvious consensus). -Thomas Henrik Levkowetz :