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Re: Service discovery for skype.jabbim.com?

Bill Powell — 2013-05-20T19:46:41

Update: After sending this message (of course), I went back
to PSI and noticed that if, on the roster list, I clicked on
the username of a Skype contact I was chatting with, 
I got a request to "authorize" the user.

Once I accepted this request, a similar message suddenly
popped up in emacs-jabber. I clicked "Mutual" in that
emacs-jabber request -- and now I could continue the chat in
Emacs!

I'm not quite sure what's happening here, and I'm not sure
how to add a user like this without first starting a chat
with them from within Skype. But maybe this will inspire a
fuller explanation from someone more knowledgeable.

It is amazingly gratifying to be having a Skype chat within
emacs *without* a running instance of Skype. The only major
downside is that this service does not show when someone is
typing. But that's not really a huge deal.

Bill

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 03:15:11PM -0400, bill wrote:

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Service discovery for skype.jabbim.com?

Bill Powell — 2013-05-20T19:15:11

Hi,

First off, emacs-jabber is amazing. Thank you. 

I found a server, jabbim.com, that offers a gateway with
Skype. For those of us with friends and clients who prefer
Skype, interacting within Emacs would be ideal. 

I've gotten the jabbim.com service to work with Psi, but it
involves doing a "service discovery", finding
skype.jabbim.com on the list of services, and then
registering with my Skype username and password.

So far, so good, I don't mind using Psi to set things up.
But when I try to log in to jabbim.com with emacs-jabber, 
here's what I see on my jabber-roster:

  * skype.jabbim.com          <-> Online    

And that's it. Chats don't seem to happen. I have tried
signing directly into skype.jabbim.com, but that doesn't
work.

I don't know anything about XMPP, so I'm hoping this is an
obvious fix. 

Thanks,
Bill

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Is the "change password" feature implemented?

Christian — 2013-05-10T16:38:02

Hi to all!

Some days ago I wanted to change the password using Jabber.el.  Other clients 
has this feature.

Is this implemented? How I can do it?



Cheers!

Re: jabber.el 0.8.92 released

Mandar Mitra — 2013-05-08T13:37:04

Sorry for the earlier incomplete mail that got sent (emacs hung!). I
meant to say:

Many thanks for the updated version!

This release fixes a problem that I had mentioned a while back (but
hadn't gotten around to filing a bug report for). In the earlier
version, on hitting return on a name (say X) in the roster, two buffers
would open up: one a regular chat buffer, and the other a groupchat
buffer that didn't work (and would have to be killed).

mandar.

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Re: jabber.el 0.8.92 released

Mandar Mitra — 2013-05-08T13:27:18

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Re: jabber.el 0.8.92 released

Zeus Panchenko — 2013-05-08T11:42:55

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just installed with emacs-24.2

works great (native TLS support) for me!

thank you much!

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Re: jabber.el 0.8.92 released

Igor Sosa Mayor — 2013-05-08T09:30:42

thanks!

jabber.el 0.8.92 released

Magnus Henoch — 2013-05-08T01:41:52

I just uploaded the tarballs for jabber.el 0.8.92.  Notably, this is the
first release that uses the native TLS support available in Emacs 24.

Download a tarball:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/emacs-jabber/files/emacs-jabber%20beta%20versions/0.8.92/

Or if you're running Emacs 24, get it from the ELPA-style archive:

(add-to-list 'package-archives
             '("emacs-jabber" . "http://emacs-jabber.sourceforge.net/packages/"))

and hit M-x package-install RET jabber.

Bug reports are welcome as usual.  While testing the release, I saw
behaviour similar to that recently discussed, i.e. blocked connection
while using gnutls-cli.  Need to investigate.

Regards,
Magnus

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Re: Google Talk has stopped working

T. V. Raman — 2013-04-27T15:09:17

And what's worse, setting starttls-use-gnutls to t breaks the
sending of email using emacs smpt and secure connections

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

T. V. Raman — 2013-04-27T15:08:38

Ihave gnutls-cli installed -- built from source in my case.
starttls-use-gnutls didn't change anything for me in terms of breakage.
    >>> "KB" == KB Sriram <mail_kb< at >yahoo.com> writes: It would be
    >>> good to know if this affects all OpenSSL/gnutls versions,
    >>> or just some of them.  ... If anyone has time and
    >>> inclination, feel free to try a few combinations :)
    Uwe> 
    >> As Raman and Uwe indicate, there is likely more to the
    >> story. However, as I see some consistent results on my
    >> system at least, I'll dump some notes in the hope that it
    >> helps the debugging.
    Uwe> 
    >> [Uwe: did you also try the --dh-bits=768 for gnutls-cli?
    >> The default   gnutls-cli options didn't do it for my
    >> version.]
    Uwe> 
    Uwe> As it turned out I was not using gnutls at all, I even
    Uwe> did not have it installed, so jabber used
    Uwe> openssl/starttls.
    Uwe> 
    Uwe> After I installed gnutls-bin (Ubuntu) and set
    Uwe> (starttls-use-gnutls t) everything

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

Uwe Brauer — 2013-04-27T08:17:03

   >> It would be good to know if this affects all OpenSSL/gnutls
   >> versions, or just some of them.
   >>  ...
   >> If anyone has time and inclination, feel free to try a few
   >> combinations :)

   > As Raman and Uwe indicate, there is likely more to the story. However,
   > as I see some consistent results on my system at least, I'll dump some
   > notes in the hope that it helps the debugging.

   > [Uwe: did you also try the --dh-bits=768 for gnutls-cli? The default
   >   gnutls-cli options didn't do it for my version.]

As it turned out I was not using gnutls at all, I even did not have it
installed, so jabber used openssl/starttls.

After I installed gnutls-bin (Ubuntu) and set  (starttls-use-gnutls t)
everything worked as expected, with the setting I already posted[1]

But still it is odd that openssl worked till recently. I think google
changed silently its protocol.

Uwe 

Footnotes:
[1]  ("gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h" "gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h
--protocols ssl3" "openssl s_client

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

KB Sriram — 2013-04-26T19:33:24

As Raman and Uwe indicate, there is likely more to the story. However,
as I see some consistent results on my system at least, I'll dump some
notes in the hope that it helps the debugging.

[Uwe: did you also try the --dh-bits=768 for gnutls-cli? The default
  gnutls-cli options didn't do it for my version.]

Summary on my system
--------------------

System: 10.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.8.0: Tue Jun  7 16:33:36 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1504.15.3~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
emacs-version: "23.4.1"

Clients tested:

1. openssl: OpenSSL 0.9.8r 8 Feb 2011

   $ openssl s_client -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof
   FAILS

   $ openssl s_client -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof -nbio
   WORKS

2. openssl: OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013

   $ openssl s_client -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof
   WORKS

3. gnutls-cli: gnutls-cli 3.1.7

   $ gnutls-cli --insecure -p 5223 talk.google.com
   FAILS
   $ gnutls-cli --insecure --dh-bits=768 -p 5223 talk.google.com
   WORK

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

T. V. Raman — 2013-04-26T14:20:42

It "randomly" worked once for me -- so it's a combination of
openssl and timing I suspect
    Magnus> KB Sriram <mail_kb< at >yahoo.com> writes:
    >> I've been able to isolate my symptom at least to the
    >> choice of tls-program used for connection.
    >> 
    >> My default setup effectively uses openssl s_client
    >> -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof
    >> 
    >> 
    >> which stops at the stanza indicated in the previous
    >> pastebins.
    >> 
    >> However, if I tweak `tls-program' so that it uses this
    >> (admittedly insecure) set of options
    >> 
    >> /usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --insecure --dh-bits=256 -p %p
    >> %h
    >> 
    >> 
    >> Then the xmpp handshake continues normally, and everything
    >> works as expected.
    >> 
    >>> /usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --version
    >> 
    >> gnutls-cli 3.1.7
    >> 
    >> 
    >>> openssl version
    >> OpenSSL 0.9.8r 8 Feb 2011
    >> 
    >> Hope this additional info also helps!
    Magnus> 
    Magnus> Ah, that explains wh

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

Magnus Henoch — 2013-04-26T09:08:02


Ah, that explains why I couldn't see the problem - I was using the
builtin TLS support of Emacs 24.

So this looks like a problem that we really should work around or at
least detect.  It would be good to know if this affects all
OpenSSL/gnutls versions, or just some of them.  (Logging network packets
with Wireshark might reveal interesting differences between working and
non-working versions.)

I'll be offline and AFK this weekend, but if anyone has time and
inclination, feel free to try a few combinations :)

(If your Emacs is compiled with TLS support, you'd have to stop
jabber.el from using it by modifying jabber-starttls-connect in
jabber-conn.el, changing (gnutls-available-p) to nil.)

Regards,
Magnus

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Re: Google Talk has stopped working

Uwe Brauer — 2013-04-26T08:34:46

   > I've been able to isolate my symptom at least to the choice of tls-program used
   > for connection.

   > My default setup effectively uses
   > openssl s_client -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof

Hm my setting is 
("gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h" "gnutls-cli --insecure -p %p %h
--protocols ssl3" "openssl s_client -connect %h:%p -no_ssl2 -ign_eof")

And I run into the same problems as you do.
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Re: Google Talk has stopped working

T. V. Raman — 2013-04-26T03:14:45

I spoke too soon -- a few minutes later I couldn't repeat the
successful connection:-(

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

T. V. Raman — 2013-04-26T01:48:44

Good catch. It works on my laptop because I think it's using
emacs' built-in tls support. On the Jaunty box, emacs from git
head (emacs 24.3.50) is compiled without gnutls  support. 
    KB> I've been able to isolate my symptom at least to the
    KB> choice of tls-program used for connection.
    KB> 
    KB> My default setup effectively uses openssl s_client
    KB> -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof
    KB> 
    KB> 
    KB> which stops at the stanza indicated in the previous
    KB> pastebins.
    KB> 
    KB> However, if I tweak `tls-program' so that it uses this
    KB> (admittedly insecure) set of options
    KB> 
    KB> /usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --insecure --dh-bits=256 -p %p
    KB> %h
    KB> 
    KB> 
    KB> Then the xmpp handshake continues normally, and
    KB> everything works as expected.
    KB> 
    >> /usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --version
    KB> 
    KB> gnutls-cli 3.1.7
    KB> 
    KB> 
    >> openssl version
    KB> OpenSSL 0.9.8r 8 Feb 2011
    KB> 
    KB> Hope this addit

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

T. V. Raman — 2013-04-26T03:01:13

I was able to get things working on Jaunty by  installing gnutls
2.12.0 -- versions newer than that wouldn't build on Jaunty.
Jabber is back
    KB> I've been able to isolate my symptom at least to the
    KB> choice of tls-program used for connection.
    KB> 
    KB> My default setup effectively uses openssl s_client
    KB> -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof
    KB> 
    KB> 
    KB> which stops at the stanza indicated in the previous
    KB> pastebins.
    KB> 
    KB> However, if I tweak `tls-program' so that it uses this
    KB> (admittedly insecure) set of options
    KB> 
    KB> /usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --insecure --dh-bits=256 -p %p
    KB> %h
    KB> 
    KB> 
    KB> Then the xmpp handshake continues normally, and
    KB> everything works as expected.
    KB> 
    >> /usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --version
    KB> 
    KB> gnutls-cli 3.1.7
    KB> 
    KB> 
    >> openssl version
    KB> OpenSSL 0.9.8r 8 Feb 2011
    KB> 
    KB> Hope this additional info also helps!
    KB> 
    KB> B

Re: Google Talk has stopped working

KB Sriram — 2013-04-25T22:51:02

I've been able to isolate my symptom at least to the choice of tls-program used
for connection.

My default setup effectively uses
openssl s_client -connect talk.google.com:5223 -no_ssl2 -ign_eof


which stops at the stanza indicated in the previous pastebins.

However, if I tweak `tls-program' so that it uses this (admittedly
insecure) set of options

/usr/local/bin/gnutls-cli --insecure --dh-bits=256 -p %p %h


Then the xmpp handshake continues normally, and everything works
as expected.


gnutls-cli 3.1.7


OpenSSL 0.9.8r 8 Feb 2011

Hope this additional info also helps!

Best regards,
-kb


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Re: Google Talk has stopped working

KB Sriram — 2013-04-25T20:24:44


Magnus Henoch <magnus.henoch< at >gmail.com> writes:


Sure -- this is the output from an attempt a few minutes back.

*fsm-debug*
http://pastebin.com/c6XurNNz


(and the corresponding jabber console debug log is here.)
http://pastebin.com/jbWpuHGd


FWIW, I'm on Mac OS X.
10.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.8.0: Tue Jun  7 16:33:36 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1504.15.3~1/RELEASE_I386 i386

Best regards,

-kb

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Re: Google Talk has stopped working

Mandar Mitra — 2013-04-25T15:56:17

T. V. Raman wrote (Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 07:32:05AM -0700):

Similar experience: jabber.el works fine on quantal, but I get a blank
roster on natty.

mandar.

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