gmane.emacs.emacspeak.general

Re: strange voicification of super/subscripts in LATeX documents

Peter Rayner — 2013-06-18T23:02:15

Thanks Jason.
First thing I noticed was that the problem *didn't* occur when reading
my own message so it was likely to be a mode setting. I turned of
voice-lock but that didn't fix it. Turning off font-lock, however,
did. So I'll add that to  LATeX-mode-hook and see if it's robust.
cheers
Peter

Re: strange voicification of super/subscripts in LATeX documents

John Morgan — 2013-06-18T11:46:12

I've been having the same problem as Peter for a while too with
espeak. Turning off voice lock mode did not eliminate the problem. I
turn on text-mode to get around this annoyance, but I think this
disables auctex.
John


On 6/18/13, Jason White <jason< at >jasonjgw.net> wrote:

Re: strange voicification of super/subscripts in LATeX documents

Jason White — 2013-06-18T08:03:27

You could try temporarily turning off voice-lock-mode to see whether it is
responsible for this.

I just tested the above lines with the DECTALK Express driver and was unable
to reproduce the problem. I'm running a recent version of Emacspeak from svn
and Emacs 24.3.1 from Debian.

strange voicification of super/subscripts in LATeX documents

Peter Rayner — 2013-06-18T06:06:17

This has been happening to me for a while but it didn't go away when I
upgraded emacs to 24.2.1 and updated emacspeak to rev 8358
It also happens when I start emacs as:
emacs -nw -q  -l $HOME/packages/svn/emacspeak_svn/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el 
i.e without loading my .emacs.
When I look at the following equation:
\begin{equation}\label{eq:dunc}
C^2_{d} = C^2_{obs} + C^2_{mod}
\end{equation}
and I move up or down a line onto the body of the equation I hear 
C caret 2 underscore etc etc 
as I would like.
If I right-arrow (or ctrl-F) along the line  from the left I hear
c caret raise 0.3 underscore raise minus 0.3 etc etc
which I find less useful. I noticed it mainly in latex documents but
it's doing it in this email as I prepare it as well. 
I'm running voxin as the speech-server.

Has anyone else noticed this and, if so, can I turn it off?
thanks in advance
Peter

Emacs/Emacspeak under android

Daniel Dalton — 2013-06-02T04:53:03

Hi, 

So I've seen a few posts on this in the list archives. Basically I want
a way to access Linux under android, and it seems that will only be
possible with emacs and emacspeak.

I've used complete linux installer to run debian linux on my device. It
seems the way it works is by using the terminal emulator to ssh into the
actual linux machine. Since terminal emulator wasn't accessible with
talk back to me it seems kind of pointless. The only success I had
controlling the debian running on the phone was by ssh from my laptop
into the debian running on the phone. 

Great so Linux seems to work ok. However, from what I understand there
is no means to get audio working from debian. 

As I understand from list archives it appears that emacspeak must then
use the android tts to overcome this problem. 

So some questions:
1. Is using this method of running linux appropriate for eventually get
emacs/emacspeak to work?
2. What is now required to get emacspeak talking within that Linux? As I
understand I need the a

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

T. V. Raman — 2013-05-18T01:38:54

fFixing that via a patch is faster than writing a shell script:-)
    Tim> The problem isn't adding an option, it is getting rid of
    Tim> one.
    Tim> 
    Tim> I have emacspeak-play-args set to nil, but still get -N
    Tim> passed as an argument. This is why I use the shell
    Tim> scirpt. using paplay, no arguments are required. The
    Tim> shell script simply pulls out the second argument (the
    Tim> name of the sound file) and passes it to paplay.
    Tim> 
    Tim> Tim
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> T. V. Raman writes:
    >> you can customize emacspeak-play-args to pass the
    >> additional option. >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross
    >> <tcross< at >une.edu.au> writes:
    Tim> You will need a simple shell script as there is an
    Tim> additional argument passed which is not controlled by
    Tim> customise. I use the following
    Tim> 
    Tim> #!/bin/bash
    Tim> 
    Tim> #echo $* >> /home/tcross/play-args #echo $1 >>
    Tim> /home/tcross/play-args #echo $2 >>
    Tim> /home/tcross/play-args
    Tim

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Tim Cross — 2013-05-17T22:32:12

The problem isn't adding an option, it is getting rid of one. 

I have emacspeak-play-args set to nil, but still get -N passed as an
argument. This is why I use the shell scirpt. using paplay, no
arguments are required. The shell script simply pulls out the second
argument (the name of the sound file) and passes it to paplay. 

Tim

T. V. Raman writes:
 > you can customize emacspeak-play-args to pass the additional option.
 > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross< at >une.edu.au> writes:
 >     Tim> You will need a simple shell script as there is an
 >     Tim> additional argument passed which is not controlled by
 >     Tim> customise. I use the following
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> #!/bin/bash
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> #echo $* >> /home/tcross/play-args #echo $1 >>
 >     Tim> /home/tcross/play-args #echo $2 >>
 >     Tim> /home/tcross/play-args
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> paplay $2 &
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> I have this in ~/bin/play and set emacspeak-play-program
 >     Tim> to it. emacspeak-play-args is empty i.e. "".

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

T. V. Raman — 2013-05-17T21:20:37

you can customize emacspeak-play-args to pass the additional option.
    Tim> You will need a simple shell script as there is an
    Tim> additional argument passed which is not controlled by
    Tim> customise. I use the following
    Tim> 
    Tim> #!/bin/bash
    Tim> 
    Tim> #echo $* >> /home/tcross/play-args #echo $1 >>
    Tim> /home/tcross/play-args #echo $2 >>
    Tim> /home/tcross/play-args
    Tim> 
    Tim> paplay $2 &
    Tim> 
    Tim> I have this in ~/bin/play and set emacspeak-play-program
    Tim> to it. emacspeak-play-args is empty i.e. "".
    Tim> 
    Tim> Tim
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> T. V. Raman writes:
    >> Jason, Try setting up emacspeak to use paplay instead of
    >> aplay for auditory icons, -- you can do this most easily
    >> by customizing emacspeak-play-program
    >> 
    >> -- 
    >> Best Regards, --raman
    >> 
    >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> To unsubscribe from the emacspeak list or change your

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

2013-05-14T07:15:50

+1 for pulseaudio.  I think its unfairly maligned. I find it stable
and useful.  I like playing music on speakers and listening to TTS
onUSB headphones, and being able to easily move between them.


Tim Cross writes:
 > 
 > While I seem to be the exception, I find pulseaudio to be really good.
 > I've not observed the latency issues reported by others and really
 > like the simplicity of being able to set different volume levels for
 > different devices. I enjoy being able to now have TTS at the same time
 > as playing some background music or half listening to a podcast etc. I
 > also enjoy not having to tweak an .asoundrc file on every system I use
 > just to get the sound quality out of viavoice to be OK. 
 > 
 > Tim
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Jason White writes:
 >  > Tim Cross <tcross< at >une.edu.au> wrote:
 >  >  
 >  > > I'm running espeak 1.47.05, which I built from source and which is
 >  > > configured to use pulseaudio. The distro supplied versions of espeak
 >  > > have never worked well for me. I always have t

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Jason White — 2013-05-14T04:42:10

per-application volume control is one of its unique features.

According to what I've read on LWN and elsewhere, most of the problems that
people have experienced are attributable to issues in audio drivers that
PulseAudio exposes, rather than to problems with PulseAudio itself.

The simplification of real-time scheduling priority should help too.

This is a sufficiently common configuration that I think it ought to be made
to work, and I'll play my part with bug reports.

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Tim Cross — 2013-05-14T02:51:37

While I seem to be the exception, I find pulseaudio to be really good.
I've not observed the latency issues reported by others and really
like the simplicity of being able to set different volume levels for
different devices. I enjoy being able to now have TTS at the same time
as playing some background music or half listening to a podcast etc. I
also enjoy not having to tweak an .asoundrc file on every system I use
just to get the sound quality out of viavoice to be OK. 

Tim

Jason White writes:
 > Tim Cross <tcross< at >une.edu.au> wrote:
 >  
 > > I'm running espeak 1.47.05, which I built from source and which is
 > > configured to use pulseaudio. The distro supplied versions of espeak
 > > have never worked well for me. I always have to recompile and set to
 > > use pulseaudio before espeak works well and does not chop off words
 > > and crash every few lines. 
 > 
 > I think that will be due to the packaging bug I just fixed in Debian. I would
 > expect the bug fix to find its way to the corresponding Ub

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Jason White — 2013-05-14T02:35:24

 

I think that will be due to the packaging bug I just fixed in Debian. I would
expect the bug fix to find its way to the corresponding Ubuntu package as
well.

I'm using a USB headset, which identifies itself as a standard USB audio
device. HOwever, I'm running PulseAudio 2.0, not the latest version, which is
now 3.0. Whenever I can upgrade without breaking lots of dependencies (as is
currently an issue with the state of Debian shortly after a release, with lots
of new packages being uploaded), I'll test again.

To be clear, I don't need PulseAudio as such; this is basically an effort to
help the community a little with an increasingly common configuration that
will be with us for a long time. An article on LWN a while ago indicated that
the PulseAudio developers are keen to resolve remaining issues, and it also
appears that Luke Yelavich, known for his accessibility work in Ubuntu and
elsewhere, is a PulseAudio developer too.

Emacspeak And Speech-dispatcher

Tim Cross — 2013-05-14T02:34:02


I have thought about it, but not done anything. It would be quite
possible, though you may lose some functionality due to the need to
map between emacspeak speech commands and those supported by
speech-dispatcher. 

Tim


Haden Pike writes:
 > Hi all,
 > 
 > I came across a thread about this a while back, but given the discussion 
 > about the instability of the Espeak server, I thought I'd re-visit it.
 > 
 > Is someone working on implementing a Speech-dispatcher server?  Is it 
 > even doable, currently?
 > Haden
 > 
 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > To unsubscribe from the emacspeak list or change your address on the
 > emacspeak list send mail to "emacspeak-request< at >cs.vassar.edu" with a
 > subject of "unsubscribe" or "help".
 >

Re: Emacspeak And Speech-dispatcher

2013-05-14T01:59:15

You can run speech-dispatcher system wide by changing some configs in
the spd.conf file.

Bart Bunting <bart< at >bunting.net.au> wrote:

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

2013-05-14T02:06:59

I has this when I first started using emacspeak about a year ago, with
Ubuntu 11.10, stock everything. Speech  stuttered whenever any key was
struck, to the point it was unusable.  The only fix was to use Voxin +
Outloud.



Jason White writes:
 > The problem turned out to be an error in the Debian packaging that probably
 > also affects Ubuntu users. I've submitted a patch.
 > 
 > This doesn't solve my Emacspeak speech server/Espeak problems - in fact, it
 > makes them worse: I now get very broken up audio as soon as I interrupt speech
 > for any reason. Has anyone else seen this when using PulseAudio for output?
 > Any suggestions?
 > 
 > On the positive side, if we can call it that, I haven't lost speech entirely
 > during the few minutes that I've tested with PulseAudio properly enabled.
 > 
 > We aren't out of the woods but I hope we're starting to get a map of the
 > terrain.
 > 
 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > To unsubscribe from the emacspeak list

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Tim Cross — 2013-05-14T02:04:04

You will need a simple shell script as there is an additional argument
passed which is not controlled by customise. I use the following 

#!/bin/bash

#echo $* >> /home/tcross/play-args
#echo $1 >> /home/tcross/play-args
#echo $2 >> /home/tcross/play-args

paplay $2 &

I have this in ~/bin/play and set emacspeak-play-program to it.
emacspeak-play-args is empty i.e. "".

Tim



T. V. Raman writes:
 > Jason, Try setting up emacspeak to use paplay instead of aplay
 > for auditory icons, -- you can do this most easily by customizing
 > emacspeak-play-program 
 > 
 > -- 
 > Best Regards,
 > --raman
 > 
 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > To unsubscribe from the emacspeak list or change your address on the
 > emacspeak list send mail to "emacspeak-request< at >cs.vassar.edu" with a
 > subject of "unsubscribe" or "help".
 >

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Tim Cross — 2013-05-14T01:55:56

I'm running espeak 1.47.05, which I built from source and which is
configured to use pulseaudio. The distro supplied versions of espeak
have never worked well for me. I always have to recompile and set to
use pulseaudio before espeak works well and does not chop off words
and crash every few lines. 

I'm running a totally default pulseaudio setup on both my systems (one
Linux Mint 14 and one Ubuntu 13.04). 

Both systems are using integrated intel audio cards. However, on a
previous system, using an Sound Blaster card (can't remember what it
was, but it had an unusually high input sample rate), I did have to
tweak the pulseaudio configuration to get reliable audio. In
particular, I had to set sample rate and some other settings. I worked
out what was needed by increasing the log level for pulseaudio and a
long test, tweak, restart, test cycle. However, this was quite a while
back with considerably older versions of pulseaudio and when there was
still some flux in how linux was dealing wiht real time schedul

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

T. V. Raman — 2013-05-14T01:34:29

Jason, Try setting up emacspeak to use paplay instead of aplay
for auditory icons, -- you can do this most easily by customizing
emacspeak-play-program

Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

Jason White — 2013-05-14T00:58:19

The problem turned out to be an error in the Debian packaging that probably
also affects Ubuntu users. I've submitted a patch.

This doesn't solve my Emacspeak speech server/Espeak problems - in fact, it
makes them worse: I now get very broken up audio as soon as I interrupt speech
for any reason. Has anyone else seen this when using PulseAudio for output?
Any suggestions?

On the positive side, if we can call it that, I haven't lost speech entirely
during the few minutes that I've tested with PulseAudio properly enabled.

We aren't out of the woods but I hope we're starting to get a map of the
terrain.

Re: Emacspeak And Speech-dispatcher

Bart Bunting — 2013-05-13T23:46:26

HADEN,

I don't see why it would not be possible.  It may not be possible to get
a totally full featured speech server but certainly a working one should
be achievable.

I am not aware that anyone is currently working on this but I may be
wrong.

Bart
 

Haden Pike <haden.pike< at >gmail.com> writes:

Bart

Emacspeak And Speech-dispatcher

Haden Pike — 2013-05-13T23:37:19

Hi all,

I came across a thread about this a while back, but given the discussion 
about the instability of the Espeak server, I thought I'd re-visit it.

Is someone working on implementing a Speech-dispatcher server?  Is it 
even doable, currently?
Haden