http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16922 <pre> In the Br.Up. 1.4.10 bhashya Shankara establishes avidyA for Brahman (not jIva). That one is kartA/bhoktA, sukhI, duHkhI, is what is imagined due to avidyA. That there is Ishwara as the jagatkAraNam and it is His shakti that creates the world, that Ishwara is the karmaphaladAtA, etc. are never the imagination of the jIva. It is shruti that gives / informs one on these concepts. That the entire samsaAra, bandha-mokSha vyavasthA, etc, is within mAyA is not disputed. But to say that Ishwara, shruti, etc. are all jIvakalpanA has no basis in Advaita shAstra. Shankara has, in more than one place, demonstrated that avidya is a viShaya for the jiva/aspirant, through dialogues, in the B G B and vehemently denies that avidyA is subjective. It is on the reasoning that it is objective, vishaya, for the sAkshI that Shankara establishes that it (avidyA) is dRshya, mithya. If it is subjective, it would never go. In the sUtasamhitA chapter 2 TIkA, Swami Vidyaranya says: //sA (Ishwarasya shaktiH) cha sattvar</pre> V Subrahmanian 2013-05-20T06:26:31 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16921 <pre>Namaste Sankara Vedanta is saying Avidya is natural for men. Naisargika. The Avidya is nothing but Adhyaasa. This is Superimposition of Self and not Self. The Avidyaa is making us to imagine a Ishwara and His Maayaa Shakti. The Maayaa Shakti is the cause of the World. This means the whole World is imagined through Adhyaasa. Summary - Adi Sankara is saying Adhyaasa is responsible for Maayaa. Maaya is Avidyaa Kalpitaa. Imagined through Ignorance. But Post Sankara sub-commentators are saying Avidyaa and Maayaa are both same. Good and Bad parts of Maayaa are both imagined only. They are False. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM, &lt;rajaramvenk-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Venkatesh Murthy 2013-05-20T05:11:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16920 <pre>Dear Sri Venkatesh, Please compile the references to the use of avidya and maya in the works of Gaudapada, Sankara and post Sankarite advaitins. It will help see objectively if there has been any change. IMO, Sankara uses maya in two connotations - a. positive - the aisvara or daiva shakthi (e.g. mayarupam, this divine maya) and b. negative - the crooked cause of illusion (e.g. kutastha). He uses avidya as synonymous with the latter use of maya. Best Regards Rajaram Venkataramani Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Venkatesh Murthy &lt;vmurthy36-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; Sender: advaita-l-bounces-4gKAAF5ltrLLd2BZh+9d9vvFubtSpUex2LY78lusg7I&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 10:03:39 To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta&lt;advaita-l-4gKAAF5ltrLLd2BZh+9d9jxlLJML/wxK&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.orgorg&gt; Reply-To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta &lt;advaita-l-4gKAAF5ltrLLd2BZh+9d9vvFubtSpUex2LY78lusg7I&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Do not bring</pre> rajaramvenk-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org 2013-05-20T04:58:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16919 <pre>Namaste Page 42 Essays on Vedanta - 'In the face of the above unmistakable definitions of both Avidya and Maya the sub- commentaries on Sankara Bhashya have started a procession of the blind led by the blind in emphatically affirming the identity of both Avidya and Maya and defining Avidya not as subjective ignorance but as something objective clinging to Atman and thus distorting his nature by converting the all-pure Brahman into a transmigratory soul by enveloping his essential nature'. Page 45 - 'Ramanujacharya for instance confounds Sankara's teaching of Avidya and Maya with the Post Sankara theory of Avidya and with the Maya doctrine of the Buddhists. He has considerably exercised himself in undertaking an elaborate refutation of the Avidya Theory and in calling Advaitins opprobriously 'Pracchanna Mayavadins' (Crypto Buddhists).And Dr. Murti has these remarks with regard to Sankara and Gaudapada - 'Gaudapada and Sankara merely bring out the implications of this standpoint (of the older Vedantins) whe</pre> Venkatesh Murthy 2013-05-20T04:33:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16918 <pre>Namaste Page 16 'THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH OF SHANKARA VEDANTA' By D.B. Gangolli - 'Maya is Subjective Avidya's Projection' Sutra Bhashya 2 -1 - 14 Avidyaakalpite Naama Roope Tattvaanyatvaabhyaam Anirvacaneeye Samsaaraprapanceebhoote Sarvajnasya Ishwarasya Maayaa Saktihi Prakrutiriti Sruti Smrutyorabhilapyete 'Fictitiously imagined through Avidya as though they were identical with the Omniscient Lord, Name and Form indefinable either as Ishwara Himself or distinct from Him, the cause of this manifold world of mundane life are called in the Shruti and the Smriti 'Maya', causal potentiality and Prakriti. - Sutra Bhashya 2 - 1 - 14 'Here we find Maya described as the figment of Avidya and identified with Prakriti, the original state of the world before creation. It is called 'Maya' (illusory appearance) because it cannot be defined either as identical with Ishwara or Brahman or quite distinct from Brahman, the Ultimate Reality'. 'Maya therefore according to Sri Sankara is the illusory causal seed of the world</pre> Venkatesh Murthy 2013-05-19T05:25:15 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16917 <pre>Thanks for the excellent report. It is very heartening to note that quality lectures are being delivered and scholarship is nurtured. It is this aspect that keeps a tradition live and growing. The efforts of Sri Sundararaman are indeed laudable. warm regards subrahmanian.v On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Ravisankar Mayavaram &lt;abhayambika&lt; at &gt;gmail.com _______________________________________________ Archives: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/ http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita To unsubscribe or change your options: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l For assistance, contact: listmaster&lt; at &gt;advaita-vedanta.org </pre> V Subrahmanian 2013-05-19T01:13:37 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16916 <pre>---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sundararaman Kunchithapatham &lt;kunchithapatham&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:49 AM Subject: Sankara Jayanthi 2013 To: Ravisankar Mayavaram &lt;abhayambika&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Sankara Jayanthi 2013 * * The Jayanthi programme started 0n 5th May as per schedule with Prathishta day celebration;there was a special (mahanyasapurasra) abhishekam of the idols with special alankaram followed by deeparadhana.The evening programme started with Dr R Krishnamurthi Sastrigal delivering his first lecture on Siddhi Literature ie Istasiddhi by HH Vimukthathman.Sr K Sundararaman (KSR) welcomed the audience of more than 75 vedanta students.It was a good augary that Rkji is starting the lecture programme who is a Vamsavali of Thethiyur being son of Mullaivasal Ganapadigal the illustrious disciple of Thehtiyur whose birth centenary was celebrated in last Oct;Rkji also got the prestigious title “Sastra Rathnakara” the title his Paramaguru got in his days.Understanding the signi</pre> Ravisankar Mayavaram 2013-05-18T21:24:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16915 <pre>Namaste The Teekaakaaras have taken us to a ANALYSIS PARALYSIS of Avidyaa. The Bhagavaan Bhashyakaara has said the Avidyaa - ADHYAASA is natural. Naisargikam Mithyaa Jnanam. The Teekaakaaras are saying Avidyaa is a OBJECT outside the mind and the Moola Avidyaa is attached to Brahma. It will bring about the Creation of the world. But this is wrong. Avidyaa is not outside. Avidyaa is Misconception or Wrong Understanding. Bhagavaan Bhaashyakaara has not said Avidyaa is Objective. He has said it is SUBJECTIVE. Avidyaa is natural instinct of all men. We cannot say it is outside the Mind. The Avidyaa in the mind will make us to Imagine the World, Ishwara, Maaya Shakti and other things. The Mistake of Teekaakaaras is they are saying Moola Avidyaa is causing Adhyaasa. They are saying the Moola Avidyaa is Maayaa. It is Material Cause for Adhyaasa. It is a very Confusing Theory. But Bhagavan Bhaashyakaara is saying Adhyaasa is bringing about the Maayaa Shakti by Imagination. Avidyaa Kalpitaa Eva Maayaa Shaktihi. A</pre> Venkatesh Murthy 2013-05-18T04:58:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16914 <pre>Thanks Anand. Hari Om! Sadananda </pre> kuntimaddi sadananda 2013-05-17T16:33:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16913 <pre> Greetings Shri Sadanandaji, You will find the shvetAshvatara upaniShad with Shankara's commentary and 3 others and many, many, more ebooks at: http://www.sanskritebooks.org/ The direct link for the shvetAshvatara upaniShad is https://ia801704.us.archive.org/2/items/Anandashram_Samskrita_Granthavali_Anandashram_Sanskrit_Series/ASS_017_Svetasvatara_Upanishad_with_Sankara_Bhashya__3_Commenataries_-_VG_Apte_1927.pdf Anand </pre> Anand Hudli 2013-05-17T16:22:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16912 <pre>PraNAms   I do not see in the lists, Shankara's bhaashya on swetaswatara Upa. mentioned. Anyone knows if this available on line. Thanks Hari Om! Sadananda </pre> kuntimaddi sadananda 2013-05-17T11:05:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16911 <pre>On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Venkata sriram P &lt;venkatasriramp-jtpRmYsQNJU&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: I have only one comment to make here: As per the shankaravijayaH, upon the request of the kApAlika, Shankara happily agreed to oblige him. He even asked him to come to a place which His disciples would not know/suspect and at a time when they would be away. At the appointed time, Shankara sat in nirvikalpa samadhi and thereby enabled the kApAlika's plan to go ahead smoothly. There is no question of Shankara being in trouble. Here is Shankara's response to the kApAlika's request: //I do not get angry hearing your words. I shall part with my head with pleasure. That which is destructible one day or other, and that which is subject to afflictions from many causes, and for those who know the transitoriness of the same,the body, who will hesitate to part with it for those who desire the same? // Sarga 11, 'ugrabhairavavadhaH' verse 25. regards subrahmanian.v </pre> V Subrahmanian 2013-05-17T10:39:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16910 <pre>Sri Kailash &amp; Sri Keshav, thanks for the help; could download the file. Best Wishes, Vinayaka On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Keshava PRASAD Halemane &lt; k_prasad_h-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> vinayaka ns 2013-05-17T10:28:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16909 <pre>  // bhashya on the Nrsimha-Uttara-Tapaniya was written by Shankara Bhagavadpada. Do you think this is possible? //   Sri Vidyaranya is said to have wrote a book called "upanishad deepika" which consists of commentary on aitreya upanishad and Nrisimha-uttara-tapineeya upanishad.  This was published by Ananda Ashram, Pune.   BTW, i don't think Gaudapada might have touched the upanishads related to Nrisimha etc. If we go by His style of writings, He neither compromised nor stooped to our vyavahAra levels.  His authentic work seems to be commentary on mAND.upa.  However, there are certain works on srividya too that are ascribed to Gaudapada. But i don't know how far it is true.   AFIK, this narasimha upAsana occupy special place in Sringeri Peeta and all the acharyas worship Narasimha anustup mantra and narasimha salagrama.  When Sankara was in trouble, it was Narasimha avEsha in Padmapada who saved from Kapalika.   In Sringeri Amnaya Peeta, it is the nArasimha sUkSma rUpa that guards the Acha</pre> Venkata sriram P 2013-05-17T10:05:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16908 <pre>http://ia600509.us.archive.org/22/items/CompleteWorksOfSriSankaracharyaIn20Volumes1910Edition/WorksOfSriSankaracharya10-Brihadaranyaka3.pdf </pre> Keshava PRASAD Halemane 2013-05-17T06:30:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16907 <pre>Please download volume 10 from the below Google drive share. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0bU8DDxezzwQ2pHLTNkQ1pESG8/edit?usp=sharing With Best Regards, kailas On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM, vinayaka ns &lt;brahmavadin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> kailas 2013-05-17T06:26:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16906 <pre>Namaste, Unable to get the 10th volume; they are not in order too. Can you help? Best Wishes, Vinayaka On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Venkata sriram P &lt;venkatasriramp-jtpRmYsQNJU&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: </pre> vinayaka ns 2013-05-17T05:49:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16905 <pre>Namaste On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:37 PM, V Subrahmanian &lt;v.subrahmanian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: Holenarsipur Swamiji is saying there is no where in Sankara Bhashya any scope for a OBJECTIVE Avidya like the Teekaakaaras are saying. The Avidyaa is only Adhyaasa that is Misconception in the mind of human beings. This Misconception Avidyaa is natural and a basic instinct for human beings. Every man has the basic instinct 'Adhyaasa'. He thinks I am body and this thing is mine. Ahamidam and Mamedam. A man with Misconception will imagine so many things. He will imagine Ishwara and his Maya Sakti also. He can imagine the Avyakta Beeja Sakti also because Sastra is saying that. The Sastra is also because of Adhyaasa only.The Beeja Sakti Avastha is also there because it is imagined by Misconception. It is Avidyaa Kalpitaa only. If someone says the Beeja Sakti Avastha is Moola Avidyaa it is not correct because that is imagined by Adhyaasa that is Avidyaa. How can it be Moola Avidyaa? 'It is a n</pre> Venkatesh Murthy 2013-05-17T05:20:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16904 <pre>Thanks a lot for your prompt reply as usual. Satha koti pranam Sivakumar On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Venkata sriram P &lt;venkatasriramp-jtpRmYsQNJU&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: </pre> Sivakumar,Kollam 2013-05-17T01:25:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16903 <pre>To all respected scholars Please provide details about Sankara Bhgavatpada's MattAmnAya With pranams Sivakumar On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Venkata sriram P &lt;venkatasriramp-jtpRmYsQNJU&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: </pre> Sivakumar,Kollam 2013-05-17T01:21:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.advaita/16902 <pre>Namaste, I read quite sometime ago that  the bhashya of the Nrsimha-Purva-Tapaniya was written by Gaudapada and the bhashya on the Nrsimha-Uttara-Tapaniya was written by Shankara Bhagavadpada. Do you think this is possible? Regards, Sunil KB ________________________________ From: V Subrahmanian &lt;v.subrahmanian&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta &lt;advaita-l&lt; at &gt;lists.advaita-vedanta.org&gt; Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:06 AM Subject: [Advaita-l] From the 'ShankaravijayaH'...... In the 'srImacChankaradigvijayaH' of Sri VidyAraNya SwAmin  we have the mention of the following in sarga 6 titled 'AtmavidyApratiShThA' - ततो महाभारतसारभूताः स व्याकरोद्भागवतीश्च गीताः । सनत्सुातीयमसत्सुदूरं ततो नृसिम्हस्य च तापनीयम् ॥ ६२ ॥ ग्रन्थानसंख्यांस्तदनुपदेशसाहस्र</pre> Sunil Bhattacharjya 2013-05-16T21:07:33 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.culture.religion.advaita