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Colorado sheriffs sue over gun laws!

Dave Workman — 2013-05-17T14:50:41

Colo. sheriffs sue to overturn new state gun, magazine limit laws

This morning in Denver, 54 Colorado sheriffs and other plaintiffs including disabled gun owners, will file a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Centennial State's new laws affecting sales and temporary transfer of firearms, and placing limits on magazine capacity.

http://www.examiner.com/article/colo-sheriffs-sue-to-overturn-new-state-gun-magazine-limit-laws

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Re: Carrying incognito.....

vjdawg8 — 2013-05-17T08:46:09

  Haven't been on here in awhile, I didn't think you were trying to start anything Warren.  No offense taken, and I guess my response could be taken that way.  Sorry for the miscommunication.  

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The myth of a 'waning gun culture'

Dave Workman — 2013-05-16T15:45:41

'Waning gun culture' in U.S. may be myth

A well-known firearms researcher punched a pinhole in what may be one of the biggest myths being propagated by the gun prohibition lobby and repeated by the mainstream press when he noted today that the news media "ignore their own reports" that show gun ownership is increasing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/waning-gun-culture-u-s-may-be-myth?cid=db_articles

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Punish the perp

Dave Workman — 2013-05-15T20:38:04

Treat gun violators like DUI and punish the perpetrator

Today's Seattle Times reports that the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) wants to ratchet down on the legal limit for blood alcohol to reduce the number of fatal traffic accidents involving drunk drivers, leading some gun rights advocates to wonder why gun crime is treated differently.

http://www.examiner.com/article/treat-gun-violators-like-dui-and-punish-the-perpetrator?cid=db_articles

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-15T17:22:57

then a fanny pack will help ;-) see he's got anassafterall ;-)\
al

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Subject: Re: [concealed] Re: Carrying incognito.....

My issues carrying larger pistols is the weight and dragging down my
pants. I'm afflicted with a common condition called Noassatal.
Suspenders are not an option for me (shoulder issues.)

mw

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Mike Watson — 2013-05-15T17:21:34

My issues carrying larger pistols is the weight and dragging down my
pants. I'm afflicted with a common condition called Noassatal.
Suspenders are not an option for me (shoulder issues.)

mw

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Mike Watson — 2013-05-15T17:19:56

Dave W has made all my IWB holsters. I think I have 4-5 by now. One is
for my S&W M13 (2.5", round butt).I wear it just behind my right hip.
I've had no comments about printingeven when talking with our local
Sheriff. He's never mentioned it. But then, he's very pro-2A. ;-)

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-15T16:16:50

any shirt with bold patterns will do, to break up outlines .... besides, old pharts wear crazy shirts anyway 
al

From: Dave Workman 
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Especially the Hawaiian shirt...Then the whole neighborhood will know you've gone crackers and have a gun.. 

Thx for the plug. 

Dave W 

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gotta get Hawaiian shirts, one size larger, pants one size larger and a Dave Workman holster al 

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-15T16:14:57

If you're carrying legally, think about a fanny pack ( http://www.tommysgunpack.com/  ) 

if you are worried about printing, and you can carry full size firearms if you want ... don’t want to wear it?  Carry it like a “man bag”  nobody cares anymore ....... so? if they think it’s a gun? fluck ‘em, it is and you’ll use it on them if they get rambunctious about it ........ I’ve used Tommy packs for years ......or .........if you are worried about being made.......  http://www.wholesalecentral.com/romaleathersinc/Store.cfm?event=itemdetail&itemid=512286&returnto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wholesalecentral.com%2Fromaleathersinc%2FStore.cfm

or   http://www.securityprousa.com/fapawcephwab.html

get a fanny pack with a water bottle attached ........ no one thinks guns when they see the water bottle 
al

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Ruger LC9 has worked well for me ...pants

RE: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Dave Workman — 2013-05-15T16:04:52

Especially the Hawaiian shirt...Then the whole neighborhood will know you've gone crackers and have a gun..

Thx for the plug.

Dave W

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-15T15:56:49

jeez louez you guys, I’m fat, old and lame, but carry a Kimber Ultra Compact or a Kahr P9 , both bigger than the ruger and never had printing problems unless I’m bent over or something
al

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Ruger LC9 has worked well for me ...pants slightly larger with an IWB
"tuckable" holster, although I rarely tuck. I would prefer the higher
capacity of my Springfield XD9 but it is simply too large for my normal
retired clothing. The LC9 is thin enough that I works well.

Paul

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"printing," then not carrying at all for more than 10 years, I now find
myself trying to figure out just how these inside the pants holsters work
with a shirt over them. Still looking for a smaller "mouse" pistol to carry
or a compact 9MM rather than my trusty, reliable Model 66 2.5" wheel gun.

[Non-te

Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-15T15:53:02

gotta get Hawaiian shirts, one size larger, pants one size larger and a Dave Workman holster 
al

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Subject: [concealed] Re: Carrying incognito.....

After carrying with a badge for 22 years, and not worried about "printing," then not carrying at all for more than 10 years, I now find myself trying to figure out just how these inside the pants holsters work with a shirt over them. Still looking for a smaller "mouse" pistol to carry or a compact 9MM rather than my trusty, reliable Model 66 2.5" wheel gun.

Michael

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DEAR READERS: Washington tops 426,000 CPLS

Dave Workman — 2013-05-15T15:30:51

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CPL figure skyrockets 15K in a single month

More than 426,000 active Washington concealed pistol licenses are now in circulation, up a staggering 15,289 in the month since Examiner last checked with the state Department of Licensing (DOL), confirming what various sources in law enforcement say about the volume of applications and renewals, and the work overload to process them.

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Home invasion may translate to more gun sales

Dave Workman — 2013-05-15T15:27:02

Fatal confrontation may help explain boost in gun ownership

While today's Seattle Times reports the identity of a 48-year-old man killed in a home invasion confrontation in North Bend early Monday morning, a spirited discussion by gun owners about the incident is unfolding on the Northwest Firearms forum.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fatal-confrontation-may-help-explain-boost-gun-ownership

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Paul Rider — 2013-05-15T14:31:52

Ruger LC9 has worked well for me ...pants slightly larger with an IWB
"tuckable" holster, although I rarely tuck.  I would prefer the higher
capacity of my Springfield XD9 but it is simply too large for my normal
retired clothing. The LC9 is thin enough that I works well.

Paul

On May 15, 2013 7:45 AM, "mdgrossie53" <mdgrossie53-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:
"printing," then not carrying at all for more than 10 years, I now find
myself trying to figure out just how these inside the pants holsters work
with a shirt over them. Still looking for a smaller "mouse" pistol to carry
or a compact 9MM rather than my trusty, reliable Model 66 2.5" wheel gun.


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Re: Carrying incognito.....

mdgrossie53 — 2013-05-15T12:42:06

After carrying with a badge for 22 years, and not worried about "printing," then not carrying at all for more than 10 years, I now find myself trying to figure out just how these inside the pants holsters work with a shirt over them. Still looking for a smaller "mouse" pistol to carry or a compact 9MM rather than my trusty, reliable Model 66 2.5" wheel gun.

Michael

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-14T23:06:53

after buying pants and shirts a size larger, holstered in the small of the right side, I found that comfortably came soon and forgot about it, actually, but I wore and carried for so many years that when it isn’t there I notice it
al

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Subject: [concealed] Re: Carrying incognito.....

I found myself checking and adjusting too often the first few times I carried. I am getting much more comfortable and, I feel, acting more like I did before I started to carry. 

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Warren Barth — 2013-05-14T23:04:44

mm mm OK, not trying to start or say anything, but I thought she may have reservations about the responsibility of gun carrying.  I sat my women down, explained what, where why and how, plus what will happen afterwards, as the financial fate that befalls me, will affect them also, and the possibility I may go to jail exists also.  They were comfortable with that info.  They felt as I, that our lives and well being came first, courts and jail later, if applied
al

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No Warren, she isn't anti gun, or worried what her friends would think, maybe it was the fact that I didn't make it a point to her that I was carrying. Like I stated, I wasn't trying to be secretive about it. I am trying to carry more on a regular basis. 

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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

Jeff Laughhunn — 2013-05-14T22:55:35

One thing that is permanent memory muscle for me now, is that I bend 
over like a little girl with a dress on, to avoid printing.
:-[
Jeff Laughhunn


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Re: Re: Carrying incognito.....

geoff beneze — 2013-05-14T22:33:54

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Like anything else, it takes practice. It'll come after a bit.

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Re: Carrying incognito.....

geoff beneze — 2013-05-14T22:33:23

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Have you talked to her about since then? I've found the most effective way of getting answers (and finding solutions) is to just ask her why she reacted that way and what can you do to help her manage such reactions?

As mentioned Sylvia told me "I assume you carry every time we leave the house". No problem, but we'd talked about it when we got our CCW's (many, many years ago) and we talk about it when we train. Don't let things accidentally become secret! Drag it out in the open.

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