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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20573</link>
    <description>Empty alt attributes are exactly the right whenever an image has no
semantic content. Don't force someone to read (or listen to)
non-semantic noise.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Wichert Akkerman &lt;wichert-5HFq4VzZ2RFeoWH0uzbU5w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote:



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    <dc:date>2008-12-03T22:40:59</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20572</link>
    <description>
They are attributes, not tags :)

What screen readers to is replace an img with its alt attribute. That
means that an empty alt tag is turned into an empty string, which
translates to exactly nothing. In other words: an empty alt tag tells
screen readers they should just ignore the image.

Wichert.

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    <dc:creator>Wichert Akkerman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-03T22:33:50</dc:date>
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  <item rdf:about="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20571">
    <title>International Men of Plonestery To Lead the 8thPlone Tune-Up this Friday Dec. 5th</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20571</link>
    <description>--------------------------------------
8TH PLONE TUNE-UP
Friday, Dec. 5th, 2008
7am-6pm (US ET)/ 13h-Midnight (GMT +1)
http://plone-tuneup.ning.com
--------------------------------------

This week, Plone Tuners will be turned into superheroes by the amazing  
and super-powered Hannosh, Witsch, Claytron and Calvinhp!

YOUR MISSION, should you choose to accept it, is to squish the  
following list of un-owned Trac tickets:

8228ATReferenceBrowserWidget batch may not work with IE6 and IE7
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8228

7248auth_cookie_length doesn't take affect in Plone 3.0
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7248

8704PloneTool .py: Email messages not being validated
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8704

8483IE7: Personal tools incorrectly rendered in upper left corner
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8483

8389portal_view_customizations attributeerror bug
https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8389

8499OpenID users can edit but not comment upon objects for which  
commenting is enabled
https</description>
    <dc:creator>Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-03T15:48:26</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20570</link>
    <description>Alexander Limi skrev:

Yep.  We had a talk about it and sorted things out already.  :)

But empty alt tags.. is that really the best solution?  How do 
screenreaders react to those?


That much I knew..  but I think I figured it out after some grepping.

-Morten

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    <title>Best practices for views to use in templatesthroughout Plone</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20569</link>
    <description>Hi All,

so...  for future work on Plone, should we not use the plone_view and  
instead rely on the plone_portal_state view directly from templates  
where we are using values provided by the newer plone_portal_state  
view?  I want to make sure I use the appropriate best practice since  
there are more than a few ways to get at the same stuff in here.

I hope that during the Plone 4 development those number of ways can be  
reduced  :-)

Cheers,
Cal
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    <dc:creator>Calvin Hendryx-Parker</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-02T19:43:35</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20568</link>
    <description>On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:30:23 -0800, Morten W. Petersen  
&lt;morten&lt; at &gt;nidelven-it.no&gt; wrote:


Thanks for adding translations, but please see Wichert's comments about  
empty alt tags and changing the anchors on the commit list. His comments  
are correct, adding placeholder text like "Conversation icon" is wrong.


You need a separate .po file with the domain "plone".


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    <dc:creator>Alexander Limi</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-02T00:23:10</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20567</link>
    <description>Florian Schulze skrev:

Ah, right.  Well I didn't read that before after committing, but nice to 
know.

Some Ploneboard XHTML fixes and an improved Norwegian translation committed.

On a related note, does anyone know how to get the object state and
transitions translated?

Thanks,

Morten

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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20566</link>
    <description>On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:12:21 +0100, Morten W. Petersen  
&lt;morten-A9enih0ZUwqRtqRaY+ouwQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote:


You shouldn't tinker with the entries files directly. In this case you  
should have used "svn switch --relocate http: https:" (it does a prefix  
match).

Regards,
Florian Schulze


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    <title>Re: Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20565</link>
    <description>
It still clearly is trying to commit something to http://, not
https://. svn info is your friend here, see what files are changed and
check each one. Alternatively, get the patch (svn diff &gt;
/tmp/changes.patch), nuke, check out a new copy from https:// and
reapply (patch -p0 &lt; /tmp/changes.patch).

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    <dc:creator>Martijn Pieters</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-01T13:57:47</dc:date>
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    <title>Problems committing to Subversion repository</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20564</link>
    <description>Hi there,

I've got a user account (morphex) on plone.org, and I'd like to commit some
changes to Ploneboard.

Here's the command that doesn't work:

nbf&lt; at &gt;thewall:~/zope/ez_setup/nbf-fss/Products.Ploneboard$ svn commit 
--username morphex -m "Fixing XHTML validation"
svn: Commit failed (details follow):
svn: MKACTIVITY of 
'/svn/collective/!svn/act/c84736b1-950b-451b-bc34-63ad5ca12206': 403 
Forbidden (http://svn.plone.org)

Anyone know what's up here?  I checked it out via http:// initially, but 
updated the
entries file to use https:// afterwards..

-Morten

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    <title>Plone Tests: 23 OK, 3 Failed, 4 Unknown</title>
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Test failures
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Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Mon Dec  1 05:10:06 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-December/006742.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Mon Dec  1 05:11:36 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-December/006743.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=21, errors=15) : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.5.2
From: plone.* Tests
Date: Mon Dec  1 05:32:44 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-December/006751.html


Unknown
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Subject: UNKNOWN : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Mon Dec  1 05:13:07 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail</description>
    <dc:creator>Plone Tests Summarizer</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-12-01T12:00:08</dc:date>
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  <item rdf:about="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20562">
    <title>Re: plone using sphinx for providing main developers documentation (api, doctest , ... more)</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20562</link>
    <description>Hi Rok,

Rok Garbas wrote:

+10 to what Wichert said. I really like the idea of having Sphinx
generated API documentation.


Have you tried looking into something like plone.session or
plone.keyring? They are really tiny packages but probably lack good
documentation right now.

If you have a small how-to somewhere, I'd love to try this myself on
something like plone.i18n or plone.transforms.

I think the plone.* packages should all make good candidates, as they
are meant to be reusable outside Plone to some degree and therefor much
more self-contained and limited in scope.

Keep up the good work :)
Hanno


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Test failures
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Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sun Nov 30 05:27:42 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006712.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sun Nov 30 05:29:15 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006713.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sun Nov 30 05:30:45 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006714.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.5.2
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sun Nov 30 05:32:15 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-Nov</description>
    <dc:creator>Plone Tests Summarizer</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-11-30T12:00:10</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: r23476 -Plone/trunk/Products/CMFPlone/profiles/default</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20560</link>
    <description>+1. That inconsistency has always annoyed me. :)

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:47:10 -0800, David Glick  
&lt;davidglick&lt; at &gt;onenw.org&gt; wrote:




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    <dc:creator>Alexander Limi</dc:creator>
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Test failures
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Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sat Nov 29 05:10:15 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006682.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sat Nov 29 05:11:45 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006683.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=25, errors=16) : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.5.2
From: plone.* Tests
Date: Sat Nov 29 05:33:01 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006691.html


Unknown
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Subject: UNKNOWN : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Sat Nov 29 05:13:15 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail</description>
    <dc:creator>Plone Tests Summarizer</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-11-29T12:00:08</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Plone/Zeocluster performance problems</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20558</link>
    <description>
Hi

At
&lt;http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-Zeocluster-performance-problems-tp1581268p1581268.html&gt;
you can use the 'More' menu to move your thread to

http://n2.nabble.com/General-Questions-f293352ef293352.html 

(the forum view of the 'plone-users' list to which Tim Knapp refers).
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    <dc:creator>Graham Perrin</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-11-28T21:26:29</dc:date>
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  <item rdf:about="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20557">
    <title>PLIPs and the roadmap -- our most publicexpressions of improvements and direction</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/20557</link>
    <description>

Please, could someone with privileges add a note to this effect at
&lt;http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/243&gt;?

PLIPs in general (not this one in particular) often lack due attention.

As accepted PLIPs are our most public expressions of improvements to  
Plone -- the roadmap, our guide to the future -- I think we should aim  
to keep such pages exceptionally clear and up-to-date.

(September/pre-conference discussions of direction come to mind.)

I appreciate that people will be busy with other things, and that PLIP  
routines themselves may be subject to change before long, so there's  
no rush for this.

Many thanks
Graham

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Test failures
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Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Fri Nov 28 05:27:17 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006652.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Plone-3.2 Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.5
From: CMFPlone Tests
Date: Fri Nov 28 05:28:55 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006653.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=25, errors=16) : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.5
From: plone.* Tests
Date: Fri Nov 28 05:48:28 UTC 2008
URL: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/testbot/2008-November/006660.html

Subject: FAILED (failures=25, errors=16) : Plone-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.5.2
From: plone.* Tests
Date: Fri Nov 28 05:49:58 UTC 2008
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    <dc:creator>Plone Tests Summarizer</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-11-28T12:00:14</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: [PLIP #243] content history viewlet</title>
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We're developing this as part of an internal project, so we'll most
likely not have a public progress log of this. 

Wichert.

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    <dc:creator>Wichert Akkerman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-11-28T00:26:43</dc:date>
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    <title>[PLIP #243] content history viewlet</title>
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That's very well thought out. Nice :)

Do all aspects follow accessibility guidelines?

I'm glancing at:

* the icons

* the orange text on mid-blue background (not easy to read; it's only  
intuition that tells me what the two words are).

I imagine, an invisible vertical rule against which the following  
might align:

* the date/time stamps

* the ^ COMPARE v

(Visually, it's the time-related stuff.)

I look forward to the progress log and references to Trac being added to
&lt;http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/243&gt;

Thanks
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    <dc:creator>Graham Perrin</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-11-27T23:51:03</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: fake-zope-eggs harmful for your buildout!</title>
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    <description>On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:42:11 +0100, Jean-François Roche  
&lt;jfroche-CmvjMzgichWZIoH1IeqzKA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote:


I'm also not sure why it's not raising DistributionNotFound, it seems like  
it's picked up from the environment which contains the debug eggs, but  
that environment is only initialized if the fake egg is installed, not  
without out. Anyway, I have at least a fix for the symptoms, if we can't  
find the real cause.

the ws.resolve call returns a list of eggs to activate, I'm going through  
them and add them to the working set, it is possible that this is the  
wrong approach for non develop eggs, but I couldn't create a buildout  
which shows the error with non develop eggs yet. I was also unable to  
write a test case for zc.buildout.

Comments welcome!

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    <dc:date>2008-11-27T15:46:49</dc:date>
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