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Fwd: [foms] VideoLAN Dev Days 2012

Odin Hørthe Omdal — 2012-05-08T09:57:23

Anyone going to this? Not sure if we're really related to them, although  
they do have VLMC (their video editor) so they're kinda like a competitor,

Hotel Froscon

Christian Thaeter — 2012-05-07T13:30:09

I've just got the confirmation about Booking the Hotel Rooms for me and
Benny. Also I asked how much rooms they still have free. That is 2
Single and 7 Double Room (at http://schmerbroicher-hof.de/). Guess
anyone who want a single Room should reserve ASAP!

Christian
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Thursday at 20:00 UTC on IRC#Lumiera

Benny Lyons — 2012-05-02T08:28:05

Hi, 
Excellent idea, especially the time!, I'll be there too.

Benny

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Meeting Thursday. Re: Developers Room for Lumiera / FrOSCon ??

Ichthyostega — 2012-05-02T01:27:40

Am 01.05.2012 14:54, schrieb Christian Thaeter:

Good Idea. I'll be there at the evening, say 20:00 UTC, as usual?


Agreed. We could, for sure. But IMHO we should be able to present working code,
not just plans. Especially hardcore developers want so see something working.
Our concepts are good, and also mostly proven and known to work. The interesting
part is how we solve all the fine points and how the system
behaves in practice, when set to action.

We have still some way to go, but I'm confident we'll make it. We had
a constant rate of progress in the past (well it would be desirable
to move faster and have more dev power, but at least we're getting
ahead).


Fully agreed. And indeed, the Git workshop was fun.

Hermann



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Re: Developers Room for Lumiera / FrOSCon ??

Christian Thaeter — 2012-05-01T12:54:17

Am Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:38:58 +0200
schrieb Ichthyostega <prg-vhE0xzMaJLylxi2N03spHA< at >public.gmane.org>:


OOOps .. I completely missed the deadline and wanted to defer this
discussion for the next developer meeting.

I just asked in #Froscon, we may try to apply later, there is another
'call for exhibitors' deadline for a booth (may, 23th). So far there
are only 4 applications from other projects for rooms. There are still
rooms left I just got told!

Yesterday was KaLUG meeting where I meet with Benny. Some (non final)
conclusions we made:

Planning to go:
 - Me and Benny will go to Froscon for sure.
 - I'll book the cheap (just checked, 39Eur/night, Single room +
   Breakfast) and still ok'ish Hotel we had last year ASAP. (last year
   it was already booked out for the FrOSCon days, but we stayed the
   night earlier there)
 - If anyone wants to stay there to contact me ASAP as well then I can
   book a room for him/her too.

Ideas about what we could do:
 - Deadline is over, we may try a late application,

Re: Developers Room for Lumiera / FrOSCon ??

Benny Lyons — 2012-04-30T08:25:11

Morning Hermann & other Lumerites, 
Well, to be honest, not really..

But an idea: what about extending the idea of last year of having a workshop on Git, to broadening our scope to not just encompass Git, rather __all__ tools being used to develop Lumiera.  Examples that come immediately to mind are NoBug (yes, some people like it :=) ), but also the build process in Lumiera is also new, and does not have some of the insane things of automake.  So presenting SCons as is used in the Lumiera project might be benificial: what do you think?  What about buildrone?  (Unfortunately, I'm a real newbie to SCons, but would be a good opportunity to at least learn to grunt in SCons!)

Here's a brainstorm:
   ---organisation of the GIT repo for Git
      (Must be useful for other projects thinking about using Git)
   ---NoBug, the bug poison.
   ---Why and what of SCons v's why and not of automake
   ---Tools we use for reporting/processing bugs (well more about the tools we 'have', and less about the tools we 'use'.)

Developers Room for Lumiera / FrOSCon ??

Ichthyostega — 2012-04-27T14:38:58

Am 26.04.2012 16:58, schrieb Inga Herber:


Hi Lumiera devs,

do we want to apply for a developer room this year again?
Any convincing ideas what to do there?

Cheers
Hermann

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Re: quarterly news (Winter 11/12)

Wouter Verwijlen — 2012-04-27T11:26:06

Hi Hermann,

In this case it might be better to wait and write a report sometime this summer, although the website looks a bit liveless without regular updates.
Isn't there any other news to be announced?
Still no word from Francesco regarding the status of the redesign?

Kind regards,
Wouter





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FrOSCon: Call for Exhibitors and Developerrooms

Inga Herber — 2012-04-26T14:58:35

// English \\ (für eine Deutsche Version siehe unten)

Hello Lumiera Team,

we would like to invite you to take part in the seventh Free and Open 
Source Software Conference (FrOSCon 2012).

FrOSCon is a two-day conference on Free Software and Open Source, which 
takes place on August 25th/26th, 2012 at the University of Applied 
Sciences Bonn-Rhein-Sieg, in St. Augustin near Bonn, Germany.

Main part of the conference is a comprehensive range of talks and 
workshops. Furthermore, there is a large exhibition area, where projects 
have the opportunity to present themselves and get in touch with users 
and other developers. Moreover, we offer a few rooms for Free Software 
projects to organize developer meetings or to present their own program.

We would be pleased if your project would like to contribute to this 
year's FrOSCon and thus support the communication and exchange within 
the Open Source and Free Software community. Depending on the kind of 
your participation, there is different information avail

Re: New issue of Libre Graphics Magazine within thefortnight

Odin — 2012-04-19T12:00:52

And it's cool and not too expensive to sign up for the magazine. I've
done it. They get very happy every time they get a new subscriber,
I've been there ;-)

New issue of Libre Graphics Magazine within the fortnight

Benny Lyons — 2012-04-19T11:44:17

Hi Lumierites, 
A new issue of Libre Graphics Magazine has been scheduled by the end of this month.  This issue, 1.4, will carry an advertisement on the Lumiera project with emphasis on attracting new developers to the project.

More details available at: 
        http://libregraphicsmag.com/

Cheers
Benn

Re: quarterly news (Winter 11/12)

Ichthyostega — 2012-04-14T14:31:41

Am 09.04.2012 15:29, schrieb Wouter Verwijlen:


Hi Wouter,

for my part, I'm a bit at a loss what to announce for the coding news.
Actually, I did quite some work until about end of January. Then, for
several "real life" reasons, I had not much time left for Lumiera coding.
This was a temporary interruption though. I'm just about to pick up my
work and find my way back into the stuff I left half finished.

This stuff is somewhat involved. For an outsider, I can't just repeat
what I wrote for the last news reports: "Ichthyo is working on the player".
During that time, I just worked my way down more close to the point where
the player will drop off individual frame calculation jobs to the scheduler.
Cehteh promised to take on from that point, i.e. he will then care for the
scheduler, which accepts those jobs and invokes them in a timely fashion.

Unfortunately I can't announce any tangible feature to be finished. There
are lots of open ends. I've finished some components, but it would be hard
to describe them

Re: website redesign status

Wouter Verwijlen — 2012-04-13T19:06:55

Yep, the way it is now.


No, no repitition. Only show the lower level links in the sidebar. 



In that case it might be a good idea to simply split it up. Lumiera.org can point to a website designed for marketing purposes, while a subdomain contains the documentation and dev vault. We can still use the exact same structure that's in place right now, just not integrate the doc and dev vault sections into the top level website on Lumiera.org, and giving them a seperate place + lay-out.

Just a thought.

--Wouter
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Re: Dev Meeting this week?

Ichthyostega — 2012-04-09T17:06:36

Am 09.04.2012 18:04, schrieb Hendrik Boom:

to me it feels like X-mas was just yesterday

Re: what kind of depot for apt-get for a mint distribution

Ichthyostega — 2012-04-09T16:35:59


Am 08.04.2012 19:14, schrieb Christian Thaeter:


Hi Marc,

as Christian already pointed out, these are "packaging exercises"
to find out what we need to do for releases later. If that is clear
and settled, we'll try to automate these steps, using a bunch of
virtual machines.

Currently, I did these builds by hand (last spring, and I plan
to do a series of builds again soon). I used Debian and several
Ubuntu flavours. Next time I could also use a linux mint as
one of them.

Right now there is no pre-compiled version for Mint.
Since Mint is based on the Debian package manager, it wouldn't
be too hard to "bootstrap" and build those packages "the debian
way", based on the debian source package.
http://lumiera.org/documentation/user/tutorials/DebianBuilding.html
http://lumiera.org/debian/


But I take it that you just wanted to see what you can do with
Lumiera, and the answer is: nothing. You can admire a preliminary
GUI disconnected with the core, and you can watch some unit tests
running in a console :-P

Pr

Re: website redesign status

Ichthyostega — 2012-04-09T16:25:32

Am 09.04.2012 15:29, schrieb Wouter Verwijlen:


Hi Wouter,

thanks for bringing up this topic again. You're right, we should
try to push that effort ahead somehow. The Design made by Francesco
is just to nice for subjecting it to bit rot unused.

There are two kinds of complications with the structure.

(1) Core documentation and "other website stuff"
    We wanted the core documentation to be in-tree with the source
    code. The benefits of this seemed obvious at that time. You check
    out one thing and have all you need to code right here on your
    hard disk. And you can check in documentation with the same
    commit as the corresponding code changes. Which gives another
    user / dev an opportunity to notice the presence and the
    location of the relevant pieces of documentation when
    investigating a code change in the Git history.

    The downside is that Git never forgets anything. Which means,
    that any binary content (read images) leads to continued bloat
    of the Repository. This l

Re: Dev Meeting this week?

Hendrik Boom — 2012-04-09T16:04:50

Sure does fleet!  Judging from the date in the headers to this message, 
the next Wednesday is already the 11th!

Dev Meeting this week?

Ichthyostega — 2012-04-09T15:53:00

Hi Lumi hackers,

time is fleeting.... Seems that next Wednesday is already the 2nd of April. OMG.

This would bee the usual time for a developer meeting. Is there anything
important to discuss right now? I on my part have nothing urgend to settle.
While generally I hoped to get more time, I didn't manage to do anything for
Lumiera the last weeks. Situation seems to become better next weeks.
Anyway, for my part, I just need to continue with coding at the point
I am right now, and have plenty of stuff just to do.

Any thoughts, suggestions, things to discuss?
If necessary, I could arrange just to be at home and in IRC on Wednesday evening.


Cheers,
Hermann Vosseler



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quarterly news + website redesign status

Wouter Verwijlen — 2012-04-09T13:29:37

Hi there!

We're behind again on the quarterly news update. If the devs can e-mail their story then I'll mix it into a new report.

Second question: is any work being done to complete the redesigned website? At staging.lumiera.org is a nearly-complete template from what I can see.
A while ago I delved into the GIT branch and found out that it was structured in a real confusing way. I drew a scheme to propose a simplification of the structure. I've attached it to this mail.

Apart from the technical structure we need to look at how we want third-level (and lower) pages to be accessed. The current solution in staging shows an alternate layout with the menu-tree on the left.
I personally think it's confusing to switch layout from section to section. I suggest using the sidebar to show lower-level navigation.
Regarding the design: Francesco: have you taken a look at the improvements to your design that I proposed a while ago? (That was: making it more compact and giving more attention to the text by giving it a

Re: what kind of depot for apt-get for a mint distribution

Christian Thaeter — 2012-04-08T17:14:30

Am Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:47:47 +0000
schrieb magali marc <magm001-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ< at >public.gmane.org>:


Ichthyo maintains a Lumiera depot.

 http://lists.lumiera.org/pipermail/lumiera/2011-March/002334.html

Nevertheless, mind that Lumiera is in *no* way usable for editing
video yet. This is just an exercise for future packaging.

Christian


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what kind of depot for apt-get for a mint distribution

magali marc — 2012-04-08T16:47:47

Hi,
i would like to install Lumiera on my mint distribution,
i've been practicing editing on  cinelerra since several years,

what kind of depot for apt-get do you advice me ?

thank you a lot !

m


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