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Re: The confusion of TAB order modified by "Arrange" action and "Navigator dialog" in Presentation

Malte Timmermann — 2009-12-14T10:08:33

Hi Xing Li,

Xing X Li wrote, On 12/14/09 02:56:

Sure.


I don't think so. If the user doesn't care, it is actually easier to not
keep it.

Keeping the tab order means to have an extra list. I guess that extra
list normally doesn't exist, because the insertion order or the z-order
is used per default.
In the moment the list exist, the information also needs to be made
persistent.
But I might be wrong with this implementation detail - the impress team
should know better.


We can. As I said, the side effect only exists when the user never
touches any tab order. Once the tab order was manipulated, arranging
objects won't change the tab order anymore.

In the end, I don't think it's critical how we handle the case that
somebody manipulates z-order w/o ever manipulating the tab order.
Manipulating the tab order is a feature. If the user doesn't make use of
the feature, tab order doesn't need to be persistent.


Malte.

Re: The confusion of TAB order modified by "Arrange" action and "Navigator dialog" in Presentation

Xing X Li — 2009-12-14T01:56:53

Thanks Malte !

My opinion is still to let navigator to modify TAB order and Arrange to 
modify z-order separately. 
In your side effect, if user doesn't care about the TAB order, I think it 
will be simpler (at least in code) not to change the TAB order in Arrange 
operation. Otherwise, we can't satisfy the requirement of changing both 
TAB order and Z-Order at the same time. 


Best Regards

Xing Li (李 兴) 
Lotus Symphony Common App and Performance, IBM China Software Development 
Lab, Beijing
Email: lixxing< at >cn.ibm.com  Tel: (8610)82452799   Fax: (8610)82452887



From:
Malte Timmermann <Malte.Timmermann< at >Sun.COM>
To:
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Date:
2009-12-09 19:08
Subject:
Re: [ui-dev] The confusion of TAB order modified by "Arrange" action and 
"Navigator dialog" in Presentation



I fully agree with the proposal:
Navigator => Modify tab order only
Arrange => Modify z-order only (*)

* side effect: IIRC, the default tab order is the z-order.
So if the tab order was neve

Re: The confusion of TAB order modified by "Arrange" action and "Navigator dialog" in Presentation

Malte Timmermann — 2009-12-09T11:08:22

I fully agree with the proposal:
Navigator => Modify tab order only
Arrange => Modify z-order only (*)

* side effect: IIRC, the default tab order is the z-order.
So if the tab order was never manipulated, it might be fine that
arranging objects affects the tab order, because the author probably
doesn't care about a specific tab order.
But it might also be reasonable to even keep the old tab order in this
case, which basically means default tab order == object insertion order.
Might result in unnecessarily overhead for keeping a tab order which is
of no special mean.

Opinions?

Malte.


Xing X Li wrote, On 12/07/09 10:37:

The confusion of TAB order modified by "Arrange" action and "Navigator dialog" in Presentation

Xing X Li — 2009-12-07T09:37:59

Hi, all, 

Presentation's navigator dialog has supported to drag & drop the object to 
modify the TAB order. Also the "Arrange" action in context menu can also 
modify the TAB order. If user use both "Arrange" and "Navigator" to modify 
the TAB order, the TAB order will be confused. 

I also found different behavior on order in 3 editors: In Word, if I 
arrange the drawing object to back/front, the order in navigator dialog 
won't be changed, also the TAB order won't be changed. In Presentation, if 
I arrange the drawing object to back/front, the order in navigator dialog 
won't be changed, but the TAB order will be changed. In Spreadsheet, if I 
arrange the drawing object to back/front, both the order in navigator 
dialog and TAB order will be changed. 

My question is: What is the correct object order in navigator dialog? The 
TAB order or z-index order? 

In my opinion, the navigator dialog should only change the TAB order, the 
Arrange should only change the Z-Index order and it should

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Bernhard Dippold — 2009-11-30T12:57:44

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