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Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Mathias Bauer — 2010-10-25T07:18:01

I considered that, but it would have been an even heavier change. You 
won't believe it before you see it: resource IDs are used in 
calculations even more than help ids. But there are more "nice" use cases.

I found code that only works if a RID for a string and a slot id have 
the same offset to some base numbers. Sometimes RIDs have been used as 
identifiers in other APIs ("I need a numerical identifier - hey, we have 
the resource ID, how nice, let's use it!").

etc. etc.

Switching resource IDs would have postponed the cws changehid for 
another few months.

In the meantime I expect that the number of new dialogs or tab pages 
will be manageable. Adding HIDs by a script is a small price, IMHO. Even 
manual adding of HIDs takes only a few minutes as a one-time operation 
(how many new dialogs do you write per week?).


Yes, I think that this is the right way to go. For the existing src 
files the removal of auto-HIDs isn't a problem, all files have been 
converted already. Implementing a new resource fo

Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Frank Schönheit — 2010-10-22T19:19:56

should have been "org.openoffice.help://*" ...

Ciao
Frank

Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Frank Schönheit — 2010-10-22T19:14:14

Hi Mathias,


Which is the ugly part of the (otherwise great) change :-\

If the layout manager, and the XML based dialog format, will not come to
our code base soon (Christian??!), it might be worth thinking of another
change: replace resource IDs with strings. The advantage (besides
getting rid of those ugly .hrc files) would be that the resource
compiler could again generate auto-help-ids, e.g. from
  Dialog "MyCoolDialog"
  {
    PushButton "Apply"
    {
      ...
    }
  };
, it could generate something like
"org.openoffice.org://dialogs/<module>/MyCoolDialog" and
"org.openoffice.org://dialogs/<module>/MyCoolDialog/Apply" as help
IDs/URLs ...

Well, yes, having an XML-based resource format, where resource elemtns
have string identifiers, too, would remove the need for such a change to
the resource compiler ...

Ciao
Frank

Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Mathias Bauer — 2010-10-22T17:22:21

Replace the number by a string, I gave an example on the wiki page.
Look at the existing helpid.hrc files, it should be easy to understand.

Let's assume you have

HelpId = HID_FOO_BAR;

in your src file and

#define HID_FOO_BAR SC_HID_START+4711

or so in your helpid.hrc file. With the changes in cws changehid this 
won't compile anymore as the rsc thankfully points developers to all 
places that still use numbers instead of strings.

The easiest way to get your compiled would be to just change the hrc 
file  to

#define HID_FOO_BAR "SC_HID_FOO_BAR"

(assuming that the file belongs to the sc module). That's all.

The same applies if you have code like

SetHelpId( HID_FOO_BAR );

If controls shall be accessible to auto tests or help content, they now 
will need to get a HID assigned explicitly, the auto-HID feature of the 
resmgr is gone. That's the small price to pay for getting rid of the 
ridiculous HID compilation process and all the problems related to the 
use of hid.lst.

Do you think that I shou

Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Eike Rathke — 2010-10-21T17:30:33

Hi Mathias,

On Thursday, 2010-10-21 17:41:45 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote:


What exactly do developers working on a CWS that introduces new HIDs
have to do after having rebased that to a milestone where CWS changehid
was integrated?

  Eike

Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Frank Schönheit — 2010-10-22T19:19:56

should have been "org.openoffice.help://*" ...

Ciao
Frank

Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Frank Schönheit — 2010-10-22T19:14:14

Hi Mathias,


Which is the ugly part of the (otherwise great) change :-\

If the layout manager, and the XML based dialog format, will not come to
our code base soon (Christian??!), it might be worth thinking of another
change: replace resource IDs with strings. The advantage (besides
getting rid of those ugly .hrc files) would be that the resource
compiler could again generate auto-help-ids, e.g. from
  Dialog "MyCoolDialog"
  {
    PushButton "Apply"
    {
      ...
    }
  };
, it could generate something like
"org.openoffice.org://dialogs/<module>/MyCoolDialog" and
"org.openoffice.org://dialogs/<module>/MyCoolDialog/Apply" as help
IDs/URLs ...

Well, yes, having an XML-based resource format, where resource elemtns
have string identifiers, too, would remove the need for such a change to
the resource compiler ...

Ciao
Frank

Re: Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Mathias Bauer — 2010-10-22T17:22:21

Replace the number by a string, I gave an example on the wiki page.
Look at the existing helpid.hrc files, it should be easy to understand.

Let's assume you have

HelpId = HID_FOO_BAR;

in your src file and

#define HID_FOO_BAR SC_HID_START+4711

or so in your helpid.hrc file. With the changes in cws changehid this 
won't compile anymore as the rsc thankfully points developers to all 
places that still use numbers instead of strings.

The easiest way to get your compiled would be to just change the hrc 
file  to

#define HID_FOO_BAR "SC_HID_FOO_BAR"

(assuming that the file belongs to the sc module). That's all.

The same applies if you have code like

SetHelpId( HID_FOO_BAR );

If controls shall be accessible to auto tests or help content, they now 
will need to get a HID assigned explicitly, the auto-HID feature of the 
resmgr is gone. That's the small price to pay for getting rid of the 
ridiculous HID compilation process and all the problems related to the 
use of hid.lst.

Do you think that I shou

Re: [interface-announce] required/ CWS changehid : Treatment of HelpIds changed

Eike Rathke — 2010-10-21T17:30:33

Hi Mathias,

On Thursday, 2010-10-21 17:41:45 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote:


What exactly do developers working on a CWS that introduces new HIDs
have to do after having rebased that to a milestone where CWS changehid
was integrated?

  Eike

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