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Re: Deprecations

Samuel Murray — 2012-05-24T21:06:30








It was not superseded by an XML format -- you are confusing the TM 
format with the bitext format.

The last version that exports Trados TXT TM files is Trados 2007, which 
is a very old version and one that SDL (that makes Trados) is trying to 
get out of use, but it is still one of the most popular Trados versions. 
  The latest versions of Trados can't export it (not even sure if they 
can read it).

I can't comment on how likely one will encounter a Trados TXT TM format. 
  Although Trados 2007 can export both TXT and TMX formats, it can't 
convert between the two formats without importing and exporting via its 
native TM format.

Samuel




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Re: Deprecations

Dwayne Bailey — 2012-05-24T20:45:36

This is the Trados .txt based TM.  I think its the quite old format 
which was superseded by an XML based format.  No need to deprecate it, 
although I'm not sure how many users we have.

 From the format comment it is the files that look like this:
<TrU>
<CrD>18012000, 13:18:35
<CrU>CAROL-ANN
<UsC>0
<Seg L=EN_GB>Association for Road Safety \endash  Conference
<Seg L=DE_DE>Tagung der Gesellschaft für Verkehrssicherheit
</TrU>
<TrU>
<CrD>18012000, 13:19:14
<CrU>CAROL-ANN
<UsC>0
<Seg L=EN_GB>Road Safety Education in our Schools
<Seg L=DE_DE>Verkehrserziehung an Schulen
</TrU>

Re: Deprecations

F Wolff — 2012-05-24T15:06:18

Op Do, 2012-05-24 om 15:34 +0200 skryf Samuel Murray:

I see I grouped it under the wrong heading. There is no converter, but
some support for reading it as a native format in our tools (although I
don't think that is enabled by default anywhere).

Dwayne, what is the state of the Trados support?

Friedel

Re: Deprecations

Samuel Murray — 2012-05-24T13:34:13


What Trados support?

Samuel


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Deprecations

F Wolff — 2012-05-24T13:30:19

Hallo everybody

Several of the products have been enjoying some code cleanups, and I
think it is time to raise the topic of deprecating some older features.

I'm often one to hold onto old features, because I don't want to take
anything away from anybody, but here are a few things that I'm thinking
of that can improve things. I'd like to hear other people's opinions.
Please reply where you have an opinion or where you might be impacted.

A related topic might be to raise our required versions for our
dependencies, but there aren't any specific ones that come to mind,
except that we had to raise the requirement for Django to version 1.2
for the upcoming version of Pootle.


So these are some suggestions for removal:


  - Old .ts format converter to PO.  We got a bug report today about
lack of support for some features in ts2po. Since Pootle and Virtaal
supports .ts files natively, the converter didn't get much attention
again. I'd actually like for someone to write a basic converter that
uses the new TS sup

Re: Virtaal documentation

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-16T10:40:29

Right now I have no time to help you with these, at least contributing
code, since I am writing the documentation for my project in order to
end my university studies. I could help with this in a few months, but
not now.

But as I told you in a previous message in this thread, you can start
providing local docs for the documentation you already have in the
wiki (shortcuts, etc.). It can be refined or rewritten later.

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Re: Virtaal documentation

Dwayne Bailey — 2012-05-16T05:54:02

Sphinx is my preferred way.  You might have noticed that we moved the 
Translate Toolkit API docs to use Sphinx.  So the infrastructure is 
there and the docs get generated automatically over at readthedocs.org.

Would you be able to help get the docs started?

Re: Virtaal documentation

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-14T17:08:06

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Leandro Regueiro
<leandro.regueiro< at >gmail.com> wrote:

This should be the easier way if we want to translate:
http://sphinx.pocoo.org/intl.html


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Re: Virtaal documentation

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-14T17:00:49

Hi, I have looked a little at this, and maybe the best solution is to
generate HTML docs. Most computers have a web browser, so it should be
the best solution. But some of the available options can generate CHM
files.

* Sphinx+reStructuredText: my favorite choice. Can generate HTML
(according to description "including Windows HTML Help", but I
couldn't find exhaustive documentation about how to do this in the
official site) and other formats. Used for Python docs, Django docs...
You should be familiar with reStructuredText since the documentation
in your github git repositories was rewritten to this the last weeks.
http://sphinx.pocoo.org/

* Doxygen: can generate CHM, HTML and other formats. Used in a lot of
project including KDE API docs. http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/

* Mallard: can generate HTML (maybe other formats). Creates topic
focused documentation. GNOME docs are all migrating to this. I
couldn't find complete docs about how to generate docs in HTML.
http://www.projectmallard.org/

* Docb

Re: Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-14T10:14:10

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Leandro Regueiro
<leandro.regueiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Latest version. I have no plans for further improving it. Included
changes are: Friedel suggestions for using Translate Toolkit API,
included the new tutorial entries I suggested in another message about
terminology and accelerators, and removal of several lines of code
since they were unnecessary.

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Re: Virtaal documentation

F Wolff — 2012-05-14T07:52:56

Op Vr, 2012-05-11 om 12:29 +0200 skryf Leandro Regueiro:

Maybe that is all that is required. I'm just not very familiar with
that, so I'm hoping someone has the knowledge to look into this. I don't
know if something like the GNOME documentation is done with a system
that will allow us to easily use something appropriate on Windows, for
example (Windows Help?).  I'm not able to look at this right now, so if
someone has ideas on how this can be done, please have a look.

Friedel

Re: Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-13T18:23:15

Hi,
I don't know if you already tried to integrate the proposed code, but
this weekend I improved the code I proposed a few days ago, since it
crashes. I send the latest version in the attachment. Now I will try
to apply the ideas you are suggesting.

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Re: Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

F Wolff — 2012-05-11T16:27:01

Op Vr, 2012-05-11 om 16:26 +0200 skryf Leandro Regueiro:

Thanks for the work on this! I like the idea more as I think about it.
Can I suggest something like this, based on what you already have:


entries = [
# Reason for this string
(_(u"Instruction", u"Source", u"Context"),
(....),
]

from translate.storage import factory
tutorial = factory.getobject('tutorial.pot')
for comment, source, context in entries:
    unit = tutorial.addunit(source)
    unit.addnote(comment, "developer")
    unit.setcontext(context)


This way we don't need to bother with escaping, etc. since it is handled
by the toolkit code which we have already.

Keep well
Friedel

Re: Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-11T14:26:35

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Leandro Regueiro
<leandro.regueiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

New version (changed lists for tuples and added some examples)
available in the attachment.

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Re: Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-11T13:46:10

Well, I looked at the .pot tutorial file and I saw some other things
that should be considered: the plurals, and the context messages.
Having those things in account I wrote the following code. I didn't
tested it, it has problems with the escaped characters, but it should
work with minor adjustments:


#!/usr/bin/env python


#TODO include the necessary imports for gettext and get this working
from gettext import gettext as _


# This will be replaced by several lines of hardcoded text from the
tutorial for populating the entries list
#TODO I just included a list comprehension in order to generate
distinct entries. This should be removed in favor of hardcoded unicode
strings
entries_list = [[_(u"Comment %d" % i), u"Translation %d" % i,
u"Context %d" % i] for i in range(4)]

# Adding a plural entry. Note that in the second position a list with
two unicode strings is provided instead of providing only an unicode
string.
entries_list.append([_(u"Comment 20"), [u"Translation 20 singular",
u"Translation 20 plura

Re: About Virtaal tutorial

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-11T11:49:15

What about these new entries (the last three should be put after the
two entries "view" that are used to tell about the context
information):


Comment: An accelerator key is a key on your keyboard that you can
press to quickly access a menu or function. It is also called a hot
key, access key or mnemonic. In program interfaces they are shown as
an underlined letter in the text label. In the translatable text they
are marked using some character like the underscore here, but other
characters are used for this as well. In this case the the accelerator
key is "f" since the underscore is before this letter and it means
that this accelerator could be triggered by pressing Alt+F.
Msgid: _File


Comment: In this entry you can see other kind of accelerator.
Msgid: &File


Comment: And another kind of accelerator.
Msgid: ~File


Comment: Virtaal is able to provide suggestions from several
terminology glossaries and provides easy shortcuts to allow paste them
in the translation field. Right now Virtaal has only one

Re: Virtaal documentation

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-11T10:29:28

IMHO since the tutorial acts as a basic manual the only really needed
local documentation may be the shortcut list and some of the other
wiki pages about Virtaal, quality checks, etc, but maybe it would be a
better approach to write a brief manual about how to use Virtaal
including some data about how to use the features not explained in the
tutorial (how to set up Virtaal and its plugins, shortcut cheatsheet,
description of quality checks, what is autoterm, what do all Virtaal
plugins, etc):

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/using_virtaal
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/cheatsheet
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/placeables
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/checks
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/pofilter_tests
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/spell_checking
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/autoterm
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/tips
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/translation/plurals

In

Re: Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

F Wolff — 2012-05-11T07:39:57

Op Do, 2012-05-10 om 18:18 +0200 skryf Leandro Regueiro:

Unfortunately not yet, but I think it will be easy to write a converter
to do that. An alternative might be to generate it from code, and to
simply translate it as part of the Virtaal localisation. In fact, I
think that might be easiest. Can someone come up with a simple python
file that generates the tutorial pot file from tuples of
(_("Instructional comments), "English source text") ?

Friedel

Re: Virtaal documentation

F Wolff — 2012-05-11T07:37:50

Op Do, 2012-05-10 om 18:13 +0200 skryf Leandro Regueiro:

There is no offline documentation at the moment, unfortunately.

It would be great if people can help with ideas on:

 - topics/pages that should be inside (I guess many of the existing wiki
pages are useful).

 - which format to use which will allow easy translation and publication
on all platforms.

...or any other useful ideas on how we can do this :-)

Friedel

Re: About Virtaal tutorial

F Wolff — 2012-05-11T07:36:02

Op Do, 2012-05-10 om 18:08 +0200 skryf Leandro Regueiro:

Hi Leandro

The tutorial doesn't showcase all features, and it would be great if it
could. Can you suggest some strings with the relevant instructions or
comments? We can gradually improve it as we go along. I don't know how
many people use the tutorial, but I think it is a nice interactive way
to get to know some of the features.

If we want to show features that are language specific (like
autocorrect), we might need to think carefully about how we do that, but
any ideas are welcome.

Friedel

Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

Leandro Regueiro — 2012-05-10T16:18:19

Hi,
when I was playing this morning with Virtaal I noticed that the
Virtaal tutorial hints doesn't appear in the Virtaal interface
language. Are Virtaal tutorial hints translatable?

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