http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16847 <pre>Hello Estarde, (since I'm the 'new' guy in the community, I think only I have the energy to explain it to you :-) Well, try to think of Perl 6 as a human. Of course you can change a person's name, but who will go to the trouble of it all? eh? After all, we all know how some Mr. XYZ father likes to name his son as XYZ, Jr. And we accept the trifle confusions it creates. It has been now almost 12 years since Perl6's conception, renaming it will be like renaming a person. A whole lot of confusion... Your problem is, the second you see '6', you instantly think of it as '5+1'. Had Larry Wall named it 'Perl 666' you would never have stumbled on the name :p I suggest you just accept it. That said, please don't let a name come between you and a wonderful programming language. After all, Wordsworth has said, "What's in a name?" Rakud is not _the_ reference implementation of Perl 6. Actually, there is no reference implementation for Perl 6. There never will be. Whoever wants to make a perl6 implementation is fr</pre> Siddhant Saraf 2012-05-26T00:04:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16846 <pre>First, yes, Perl 6 is awesome. Everything that's come out as a result of this effort is awesome. The rest is inline below. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:32:35AM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote: Some people do - the kind of folks interested in standards and the like; just sayin' :) I have been following Parrot and Perl 6 from the start and in the shadows. As an extreme Perl 5 enthusiast and general language geek, I can say that for me (and I might be the only one), from the start calling it "Perl 6" has caused a stumbling block for me. I know, it's a bikeshed - but a name speaks volumes to me. For one, you have to automatically explain to someone familiar with Perl 5 (your most obvious target user base) how it is different. What I suggest below is superficial, but I believe semantically significant the the branding of what the project is attempting to accomplish. If anything, my suggestions below would make it easier for me (as a beginner to Perl 6, but not to Perl 5 or a host of other interesting languages) to </pre> B. Estrade 2012-05-25T13:44:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16845 <pre>Hallo Parrot, we are well aware that the documentation for Perl 6 is quite lacking. Any contributions in that area are greatly appreciated. Am 23.05.2012 01:35, schrieb Parrot Raiser: The synospis were not originally meant as learning material, and they still are not. It's easy to forget, because they are the most comprehensive documents out there. But you don't learn Java by reading the specification either. It's by design that it starts with tricky stuff, because it's not directed at somebody who is new to programming. There are a lot of programmers who know several programming languages already, and who don't want to read a whole page on how to print 'Hello World', 5 pages on if-statements and while-loops and another 10 pages explaining lists and iteration. At this point, Rakudo mostly appeals to language enthusiasts and early adopters, so that's quite a good fit. In the long run, we need a book for beginners too. An attempt to write materials for beginners is at. https://github.com/per</pre> Moritz Lenz 2012-05-25T08:32:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16844 <pre>Perl 6 is awesome. Its design is based on the combined experience of many clever people. It addresses a whole range of contemporary computing problems, in fields as diverse as text processing and compiler development. It's being developed by, and for, some of the smartest people I want to risk approaching. In short, Perl 6 is awesome: "Extremely impressive or daunting, inspiring awe". http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/awesome?view=uk That is a problem, if we want to get it adopted widely and quickly. I've spent quite a lot of time teaching Perl 5 to a variety of normal commercial programmers. An early part of the course was the arithmetic operators, (+,-,*,/,%). A good many of the classes started to look nervous and uncomfortable around the time I introduced the modulus operator, because it was approaching the boundaries of their experience. (I don't think it was just my deficiencies as an instructor that led them to feel uneasy.) One of the difficulties of teaching a complex subject to any but th</pre> Parrot Raiser 2012-05-22T23:35:34 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16843 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: bc016c615d459e4b5e1988e6982a902e515637b6 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/bc016c615d459e4b5e1988e6982a902e515637b6 Author: diakopter &lt;diakopter&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2012) Changed paths: M S03-operators.pod Log Message: ----------- last batch of my S03 typo/grammaro fixes </pre> GitHub 2012-05-25T00:48:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16842 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: a2c030460367c3c14b88f2d04c4ce2c20ff852bf https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a2c030460367c3c14b88f2d04c4ce2c20ff852bf Author: Matthew Wilson &lt;diakopter&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-24 (Thu, 24 May 2012) Changed paths: M S03-operators.pod Log Message: ----------- first batch of my S03 typo/grammaro fixes </pre> GitHub 2012-05-24T23:42:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16841 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: 68718e6ad71134a70a93459abdacdd62a9eadcd1 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/68718e6ad71134a70a93459abdacdd62a9eadcd1 Author: Carl Masak &lt;cmasak&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2012) Changed paths: M S05-regex.pod Log Message: ----------- [S05] ss/&lt;(maximal)&gt; matching/greedy/ Now in a new, even more consistent flavor! </pre> GitHub 2012-05-23T19:43:03 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16840 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: cac7e3035642bae111348a8f7af76fc5372dde26 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/cac7e3035642bae111348a8f7af76fc5372dde26 Author: Carl Masak &lt;cmasak&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-23 (Wed, 23 May 2012) Changed paths: M S05-regex.pod Log Message: ----------- [S05] prefer term "frugal" to "eager"/"minimal" </pre> GitHub 2012-05-23T19:36:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16839 <pre> On 05/19/2012 06:05 AM, Siddhant Saraf wrote: No. Complex objects are value types and immutable. It's bad enough that we conflate the container/value distinction for substr-rw already, but we do it because it's quite useful. But for complex numbers, it's not so useful, because you can just create a new one quite easily: $x = 5 + $x.im*i; Cheers, Moritz </pre> Moritz Lenz 2012-05-19T05:45:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16838 <pre>&lt;sisar&gt; r: my $x = 4 + 2i; $x.re = 5; &lt;p6eval&gt; rakudo 45679a: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to a non-container␤ in block &lt;anon&gt; at /tmp/PeeJaa8bWJ:1␤␤» I think $x.re (Real part of $x) and $x.im (Imaginary part of $x) should be allowed to be l-values. What do you say? Will this affect the performance of Rakudo, Niecza ? Recently substr-rw was split off from substr, so that now substr-rw is the lvalue form. So maybe we can have $x.re-rw and $x.im-rw, but that would be really ugly :) -sisar </pre> Siddhant Saraf 2012-05-19T04:05:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16837 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: f7e01b5206e8095b187ebf6ec234685dafdb520c https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/f7e01b5206e8095b187ebf6ec234685dafdb520c Author: Moritz Lenz &lt;moritz&lt; at &gt;faui2k3.org&gt; Date: 2012-05-17 (Thu, 17 May 2012) Changed paths: M S32-setting-library/Str.pod Log Message: ----------- [S32::Str] split off substr-rw that way you only pay for what you use </pre> GitHub 2012-05-17T19:12:15 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16836 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: 1b8b0ab987cfdcb5ce55c06a36306679d6dca085 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/1b8b0ab987cfdcb5ce55c06a36306679d6dca085 Author: Larry Wall &lt;larry&lt; at &gt;wall.org&gt; Date: 2012-05-17 (Thu, 17 May 2012) Changed paths: M S03-operators.pod Log Message: ----------- mention that prefix:&lt;+&gt; returns failure on failure </pre> GitHub 2012-05-17T19:04:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16835 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: cb82d5aa72728cd1bc390dbb1c20b624c01c03b7 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/cb82d5aa72728cd1bc390dbb1c20b624c01c03b7 Author: Larry Wall &lt;larry&lt; at &gt;wall.org&gt; Date: 2012-05-17 (Thu, 17 May 2012) Changed paths: M S02-bits.pod Log Message: ----------- Spec halfwidth corner brackets for Q[] equivalent This is primarily to improve output of strings that mostly want to be complete quoted, to avoid cluttering such output with Q[]. But to allow it for .perl output, we have to allow it on input too. </pre> GitHub 2012-05-17T17:18:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16833 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: a424107c4783c1e3db7f84b932d876710fb51713 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a424107c4783c1e3db7f84b932d876710fb51713 Author: Solomon Foster &lt;colomon&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-11 (Fri, 11 May 2012) Changed paths: M S02-bits.pod Log Message: ----------- Incorporate TimToady++'s suggestions. </pre> GitHub 2012-05-11T21:13:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16832 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: 1cbef9e02c00f42abd6c2b379df223472aaa6ca9 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/1cbef9e02c00f42abd6c2b379df223472aaa6ca9 Author: Solomon Foster &lt;colomon&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-11 (Fri, 11 May 2012) Changed paths: M S02-bits.pod M S32-setting-library/Numeric.pod Log Message: ----------- Try to make the rules and examples for Rat.perl, Rat.gist, and Rat.Str consistent. </pre> GitHub 2012-05-11T20:30:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16831 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: efa4c189e368bbc93640cbfd4c8e0a7b81c3cd9d https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/efa4c189e368bbc93640cbfd4c8e0a7b81c3cd9d Author: Matthew Wilson &lt;diakopter&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: 2012-05-10 (Thu, 10 May 2012) Changed paths: M S05-regex.pod Log Message: ----------- missing </pre> GitHub 2012-05-10T21:45:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16830 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: e1cc4fa93f1018010e70913a7bddaf15b873076f https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/e1cc4fa93f1018010e70913a7bddaf15b873076f Author: Larry Wall &lt;larry&lt; at &gt;wall.org&gt; Date: 2012-05-09 (Wed, 09 May 2012) Changed paths: M S02-bits.pod Log Message: ----------- also tweak Rat.Str description here for colomon++ </pre> GitHub 2012-05-09T21:32:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/16829 <pre> Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: 736b403010d2ca26fa0423f4b0e3749c5e15c71e https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/736b403010d2ca26fa0423f4b0e3749c5e15c71e Author: Larry Wall &lt;larry&lt; at &gt;wall.org&gt; Date: 2012-05-09 (Wed, 09 May 2012) Changed paths: M S32-setting-library/Numeric.pod Log Message: ----------- Define Rat.Str to not go through Num Precision is now guaranteed for the integer part, while the precision of the fractional part is limited to the size of the remaining denominator (after subtracting the integer part) plus 1. 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